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HGHarmon8
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Sep 5, 2018
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Any idea of the specs on a 2P version? It sounds like there is one in the works, and while I'm seeking a lightweight tent for some potential high routes in May/April, but I'd rather wait for a 2P version (if the weight penalty is worthy).
dandurston
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Dan Durston
Sep 5, 2018
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HGHarmon8The 2P floor is likely to be 48" wide and 5" longer than the 1P. Weight will be around 35oz. So about a 7oz difference.
The 2P will be good for 2 people and solo hikers with dogs, but the 1P is already pretty spacious because of the vertical inner walls and dual peaks, so I wouldn't use the 2P for a solo hiker unless you really like your space. The other consideration is that the 2P is about 6 months behind the 1P in testing, so I doubt it will arrive for hiking next summer. Perhaps we'd have a pre-sale late this year or early next year, with delivery in late 2019.
The 2P will be good for 2 people and solo hikers with dogs, but the 1P is already pretty spacious because of the vertical inner walls and dual peaks, so I wouldn't use the 2P for a solo hiker unless you really like your space. The other consideration is that the 2P is about 6 months behind the 1P in testing, so I doubt it will arrive for hiking next summer. Perhaps we'd have a pre-sale late this year or early next year, with delivery in late 2019.
HGHarmon8
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Sep 5, 2018
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dandurstonInteresting. Thanks for sharing. I don't have someone I hike with, just considering options. I may go ahead and order the 1P and then see how the 2P progresses!
Thank you!
Thank you!
dandurston
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Dan Durston
Sep 5, 2018
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HGHarmon8Most likely once the first batch of 1P tents sells out, there will be another long wait. So I wouldn't be surprised if you could use the 1P for the summer, and then if you ended up wanting the 2P, you could sell the 1P for nearly what you paid on BPL Gear Swap to buy the 2P.
But I think you want the 1P. It's a nice size for a solo hiker considering the generous headroom and vestibules. The benefit to a solo hiker of more space is small relative to the downsides of a 7oz penalty and larger site requirements - especially in the high sierra where larger sites can be tricky to find.
But I think you want the 1P. It's a nice size for a solo hiker considering the generous headroom and vestibules. The benefit to a solo hiker of more space is small relative to the downsides of a 7oz penalty and larger site requirements - especially in the high sierra where larger sites can be tricky to find.
RustyBridges
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Sep 7, 2018
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dandurston@dandurston I have never owned a polyester tent, is there any kind of maintenance or special care specific to polyester? Also you had mentioned that your brother is over 6’ did he find that getting in and out of the x-mid cumbersome? My lightheart tent has a very similar style door and as a tall guy I feel like I have to leap frog in and out
dandurston
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Dan Durston
Sep 7, 2018
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RustyBridgesHi Rusty,
Care for sil/PU poly is the same as for silnylon. Back in the old days (80's - 90's) tents with PU coatings were using water based PU that was really sensitive to being stored wet because it would slowly absorb in and make the PU gummy. That's why there is so many horror stories on the internet of PU coatings going gummy or cracking/peeling. But modern PU coatings aren't water based any more (well at least any decent ones aren't). Instead, they are poly-ether based which avoids this issue.
Many tent companies are now switching to polyester. For example, Lightheart Gear that you mention has announced they are making the switch across their entire tent lineup. There new FireFly is silpoly. The only advantage to nylon is that it has a higher tear strength, but this is largely negated by it's much worse UV degradation, so you need nylon to be much stronger so that it doesn't degrade to unacceptable levels after a few years of use. It's quite likely that a similar weight of polyester has a higher tear strength after a couple years of regular use.
The advantages to polyester are substantial. Most importantly, it doesn't sag in the rain so you don't wake up to a limp pitch, it's more abrasion resistant so it makes for better floors in particular. If you want to geek out on the topic, this is a great forum thread: https://backpackinglight.com/forums/topic/silpoly-tarp-durability/
And another good read: http://thetentlab.com/MoonLightTents/PolyNyl.html
As for doors entry, I think part of the reason why the doors on your LHG tent feel cumbersome is because the inner tent wall is sloping away from you. The side walls on the LHG tents are not vertical, but slope inwards, so you have to duck your head under the top of the door that isn't just low but also back a foot or so. I don't know which model you have, but I believe they all slope inwards quite a bit like this, which tends to require sort of a sideways, crab-like technique:
Conversely, the inner walls of the X-Mid are vertical so the entry way is much easier to step through:
In my experience, the slope of this wall makes the biggest difference on how easy it is to get in and out. The other factor is how large the opening is. I can't speak to the LHG tents here because there are many models, but the door on the X-Mid is a generous size because the tent itself is generously tall. So to answer your question, my 6'2" brother didn't find it cumbersome. Any tent requires crouching a bit, but the X-Mid is a good as anything.
Care for sil/PU poly is the same as for silnylon. Back in the old days (80's - 90's) tents with PU coatings were using water based PU that was really sensitive to being stored wet because it would slowly absorb in and make the PU gummy. That's why there is so many horror stories on the internet of PU coatings going gummy or cracking/peeling. But modern PU coatings aren't water based any more (well at least any decent ones aren't). Instead, they are poly-ether based which avoids this issue.
Many tent companies are now switching to polyester. For example, Lightheart Gear that you mention has announced they are making the switch across their entire tent lineup. There new FireFly is silpoly. The only advantage to nylon is that it has a higher tear strength, but this is largely negated by it's much worse UV degradation, so you need nylon to be much stronger so that it doesn't degrade to unacceptable levels after a few years of use. It's quite likely that a similar weight of polyester has a higher tear strength after a couple years of regular use.
The advantages to polyester are substantial. Most importantly, it doesn't sag in the rain so you don't wake up to a limp pitch, it's more abrasion resistant so it makes for better floors in particular. If you want to geek out on the topic, this is a great forum thread: https://backpackinglight.com/forums/topic/silpoly-tarp-durability/
And another good read: http://thetentlab.com/MoonLightTents/PolyNyl.html
As for doors entry, I think part of the reason why the doors on your LHG tent feel cumbersome is because the inner tent wall is sloping away from you. The side walls on the LHG tents are not vertical, but slope inwards, so you have to duck your head under the top of the door that isn't just low but also back a foot or so. I don't know which model you have, but I believe they all slope inwards quite a bit like this, which tends to require sort of a sideways, crab-like technique:
Conversely, the inner walls of the X-Mid are vertical so the entry way is much easier to step through:
In my experience, the slope of this wall makes the biggest difference on how easy it is to get in and out. The other factor is how large the opening is. I can't speak to the LHG tents here because there are many models, but the door on the X-Mid is a generous size because the tent itself is generously tall. So to answer your question, my 6'2" brother didn't find it cumbersome. Any tent requires crouching a bit, but the X-Mid is a good as anything.
RustyBridges
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Sep 7, 2018
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dandurstonThanks for the info, my LHG solo inner does slope significantly inward, never really thought about it like that. Plus being an older model (about 5 years old or so) the connected fly pitches around a foot of the ground, in heavy rains there is alot of “splash back” that covers the mesh and myself in dirt and detritus, that’s one of the features I really like about your design. And thanks for the links, your correct in saying that there is a lot of misinformation out there about poly. I really like what you’ve designed and Your knowledge on the subject is very reinsuring that I’ll receive a great product, thanks again!
dandurston
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Dan Durston
Sep 16, 2018
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olhiker2Working on it. Look for the 2P in early 2019.
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