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RavenCoho
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Dec 8, 2018
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Hi dan. Thank you for answering my first question. Very helpful! I have a couple more questions. 1) Do you have any idea yet what sort of colors the future versions/releases of this tent may come in? 2) Does this tent come with a footprint? I know that it's meant to be super light, and having a footprint may go against that tenet, but I do like the added protection against moisture and abrasion, myself. Thanks again for your informative and considerate responses. I LOVE the design!
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Dan Durston
Dec 9, 2018
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RavenCohoHi Raven,
1) With regards to future colors, I don’t have a clear idea of what this might look like. If we do produce another run, we’d likely start that in mid-late 2019 so the tents wouldn't arrive until spring 2020. So any second run is a long ways off. The interest in this tent has been more than expected, so we may at that point have the volumes to offer it in two colors but what those would be is hard to say. I do quite like the sage green being offered now because it is subtle, natural and yet unique. I know there is also a market for brightly colored tents, so if we did offer two colors it would perhaps be one bright color alongside either sage green or something similar to sage green (perhaps a slightly darker green).
2) No, the tent does not come with a footprint. In general, I don’t think footprints are a good idea. There are several downsides to a footprint, which are:
- they add weight
- they add hassle to the pitching process
- water can get on top of the footprint and then stuck between the footprint and floor (where it puts a lot of pressure on the floor). What can get on the footprint if the footprint protrudes out a bit and then rain lands on it, or if there is flowing water on the ground. So sometimes a footprint is worse than no footprint at all.
I think a better approach is to select a tent floor that is sufficiently waterproof and durable so that it does not need a footprint. This is lighter, simpler and better in very sloppy conditions. Some of the lightest tents are using 0.7oz DCF as a floor but this isn't durable enough to last for a long time, so you either have a tent that doesn't last very long, or you add a groundsheet and then it's more hassle and weight than just choosing a proper floor material in the first place.
With regards to waterproofness, the HH rating of a fabric isn’t really a great indicator of long term waterproofness because you can get waterproof coatings that give you a very high HH initially but then wear off fast because the are very waterproof but very thin. What really matters is the HH after a lot of use/wear, which is why we have wear tested this fabric. We are claiming 2000mm HH but the fabric is actually more waterproof than the 3500 mm limit of the testing equipment when it is new. After wear simulating a month continuous heavy rain and high winds, the fabric was still above 2000 mm, so we are claiming this number since it is a more real world value.
In terms of durability, 20D polyester is a light fabric but not crazy light. Other brands are using 10D fabrics for the floor in mainstream tents. So 20D was selected because it will last for many hundreds of nights with reasonable care.
So overall, the floor is sufficiently durable and waterproof to not need a footprint when used with a normal amount of reasonable care. With that said, if you have some use planned for it that involves an unusually high amount of wear (e.g. pitching on bare granite or sharp gravel) then a footprint would be good for that. Still you wouldn't really be relying on it for waterproofness, so you could use a nice waterproof material or just any old fabric that is tough enough.
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