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Oct 17, 2017

I have 2 down quilts and they are great to sleep under, especially in a hammock with an underquilt. But this statement; " Though sleeping bags offer insulation all the way around, it’s worth noting that any insulation crushed under the body actually offers no insulative value. " is wrong. Compressing the insulation will affect the insulating properties for sure, but the value will not become zero. The quilt is equal to zero underneath the body though. Imagine laying directly on top of a block of ice while inside a sleeping bag, vs laying directly on a block of ice while under a quilt, which of these two is the least horrible option? Is Massdrop saying that a significant part of every sleeping bag that Massdrop sells is totally useless?

Oct 17, 2017

philarious

Oct 17, 2017

Brett919Dude...chill.

Oct 17, 2017

Brett919

128

Oct 17, 2017

philariousBut bruh...! They makin' me cray!

Oct 17, 2017

Stepbystep

549

Oct 23, 2017

Brett919Very true, and the surface of the pad can come into play as well. It's been weird to see how this "knowledge" has morphed over time from what you just said (the truth) into what is now the regurgitated incorrect info about "zero" value. The biggest weight savings in quilts come from the loss of all that fabric, and the zipper/hood, but people like to say that you are losing the weight of all the worthless insulation beneath you that is no longer needed. There's some merit to this, but it matters more with synthetic fills than it does with down (weightwise), and we've seen that over the last 15 years when several bag makers started putting less insulation on the bottom, and then BA took that a step further by doing fabric only/pad sleeve. What's funny is that most of the same people will discuss the insulative value of tent footprints/bivy floors, too.

Oct 23, 2017

Brett919

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Oct 24, 2017

StepbystepI see it on YouTube a lot, on some of the popular thru-hikers channels, seems that having a couple-thousand subscribers can go to one's head, there's a lot of preaching going on there. But also, even in the comments here, they mention needing more clothing, hats, socks, insulating mats... yes, some of that will probably be in the pack anyway, but what they are actually attempting to accomplish with all those items is what a sleeping bag does, without gaps, by itself. If one wears a down jacket and pants while using a quilt, is the down that is compressed underneath now totally useless? Also, there's no standard for rating quilts, too many variables are involved, have to rely on what the maker rates it at.

Oct 24, 2017

Stepbystep

549

Oct 24, 2017

Brett919Done correctly, quilts are pretty awesome and, for me anyway, are so much nicer than a bag until it gets down below 20F or so where I think a bag has more advantage. Given loft/height standards and correct filling of the baffles, temp ratings aren't too much of a mystery, but fabrics come into play, too. Most people haven't really seen or owned high end gear (like FF or WM in this case) for that type of baseline comparison on what real quality is, so yeah, they're kind of at the mercy of what a company says their products are good for, and hopefully they share enough spec & tech to help people learn. The trouble is when noobs start to have just a little experience and then start teaching others, or worse, making YouTube channels that reach thousands. :)

Oct 24, 2017

Brett919

128

Oct 24, 2017

StepbystepI agree, when conditions start to verge on the dangerous I'll take the weight penalty of a bag. In fairer weather, and over longer distances especially, I'll save some ounces with a quilt. I have a JRB Sierra Sniveler that I have used as a down poncho, awkward but effective enough around camp to leave an insulated jacket at home.

Oct 24, 2017

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