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Alex00322
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Jun 26, 2017
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Wait, so this is just a chinese knife for $125? Designed by Ferrum Forge?
Kaozer
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Jun 27, 2017
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ZQowI dont care were they are made, most my knives are made overseas and im not american anyway. I used those companies as an exemple of high quality production knives that pretty much everyone knows. As far as im concerned the japanese are about the same as anywhere else. Ive had utter garbage and truely magnificent blades from there.
kenichiwa
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Jun 28, 2017
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KaozerI agree with you, country of origin in no way dictates the quality of the product. Most of the modern super steels are produced in America and sent overseas for assembly. Not to mention, some of the best Spyderco models regarding fit and finish, for example the Slysz Bowie, are from their Taichung, Taiwan plant. Some people are just close minded, let them because they are the ones missing out.
ethanw
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Jun 28, 2017
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ZQowI wouldn't want to let down another fella that thinks japanese are the shit because of the Hollywood samurai sword. Truth is it was an inferior sword designed and made from 'pig iron' derived from several tons of sand per ingot with plenty of impurities. The superior designes in Europe were designed based on ore with far less impurities. Wonder if Hollywood gets some cut from Japan knife sales.. [moderated]
Kados
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Jun 28, 2017
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ethanwHalf true. The ore they started with was junk. The final product was far from it. They spent a ton of time refining the metal to remove impurities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_swordsmithing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrQqx6yMFrU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2mIuayVKbA - Watch starting @ 1:08 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDkoj932YFo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_swordsmithing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrQqx6yMFrU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2mIuayVKbA - Watch starting @ 1:08 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDkoj932YFo
kenichiwa
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Jun 28, 2017
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KaozerI completely agree with you on that, their jimping tends to be a little weak. But, I also think the jimping on the pm2/manix is really stellar, much better than most out there being grippy yet not sharp/abrasive.
apmcdaniel
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Jun 28, 2017
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TVGuideContext matters. It's common to use friendly abbreviations, such as Brit, Scot, Aussie. Or other nicknames, such as Yank for Americans. I think it's clear that @ethanw did not intend it as a slur.
Yes, during WWII it was used extensively as a derogatory term in the US. Again, context matters. Take it as you will, but know that it just happens to be an oft-used abbreviation, without any ill intent.
Yes, during WWII it was used extensively as a derogatory term in the US. Again, context matters. Take it as you will, but know that it just happens to be an oft-used abbreviation, without any ill intent.
Hellreaver
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Jun 28, 2017
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TVGuideI get that your wife is of Asian descent, but still, being overly sensitive of issues such as this doesn't do anything.
TVGuide
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Jun 28, 2017
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apmcdanielI get context and I am sure there was no ill intent, but people should understand what is okay to say and what isn't. Saying the "J" word loosely is not okay... period. I am an American of Japanese descent and my father faught for this country while his family was held in an internment camp. He did it to prove loyalty, to be a patriot, and to pave the way for following generations. He was a combat soldier and he received the Congressional Gold Metal. All the 100th/442nd Nisei (1st generation US born citizens) soldiers received this honor. This is US history.
This topic was not taught to lightly taught in US history class when I was growing up. It was a "sorry, my bad" by Uncle Sam and "let's just not talk about it anymore". Patriots died in war, US citizens lost everything they owned, and citizens were discriminated.
So, this is why it is a great disrespect when using this word. I am sure that if people understood the gravity of sacrifice and suffering, the "J" word would not be used so lightly. Sometimes there is a good reason to be overly sensitive.
This topic was not taught to lightly taught in US history class when I was growing up. It was a "sorry, my bad" by Uncle Sam and "let's just not talk about it anymore". Patriots died in war, US citizens lost everything they owned, and citizens were discriminated.
So, this is why it is a great disrespect when using this word. I am sure that if people understood the gravity of sacrifice and suffering, the "J" word would not be used so lightly. Sometimes there is a good reason to be overly sensitive.
apmcdaniel
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Jun 29, 2017
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TVGuideMany thanks to your father for his service. As for the camps - they are certain a shame upon our country.
Barlourd
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Jun 29, 2017
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TVGuideI might be a terrible person for saying this, but that was a long time ago. There is a different generation of people around now. It might be time to let go. There are very few reasons to be overly sensitive other than exploiting opportunities to preach to other people.
That being said, no history should not be forgotten, but remembered. The shame of our forefathers cannot be allowed to hang over our heads. My grandfather and his three brothers fought in the Pacific theater at the same time as your father. I've read their journals from that time. I don't go around telling people that lightly or as a way to garner sympathy. The point I'm trying to make is this; If a word is used as a slur, by all means preach on brother. But if it is being used in a friendly manner, let it go.
That being said, no history should not be forgotten, but remembered. The shame of our forefathers cannot be allowed to hang over our heads. My grandfather and his three brothers fought in the Pacific theater at the same time as your father. I've read their journals from that time. I don't go around telling people that lightly or as a way to garner sympathy. The point I'm trying to make is this; If a word is used as a slur, by all means preach on brother. But if it is being used in a friendly manner, let it go.
TVGuide
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Jun 29, 2017
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BarlourdFirst of all, I honor your grandfather and his brothers for their service. I doubt that they are alive today, but they must have been brave individuals. Also, you're probably not a terrible person you're just not very bright. And thank you for taking the time to enlighten me on the new generation standards. I will inform my older coworkers and HR that there is a new movement.
1. A word is just a word when there is no ill intent. This is okay even if you don't know your audience personally. Hm, ever try joining an all black basketball game at the park by saying "yo my N-word, can I play?" You can explain your logic after picking your beaten body off the ground. You can say, "aren't you guys being overly sensitive?" They'll understand, you should try it.
2. There is a time limit to get over stuff that happened in history. I'll inform my Jewish coworkers to get over the genocide and all the other bad things before. It's time to let go of all their religious practices that are intended to not forget their past. They need to get past this. I'll tell the Vietnam vets that they should get over the time when they came home and got spit on and called "baby killers" by the likes of Jane Fonda communist. I'll inform my black coworkers that is time to forget segregation and tree hangings by the white pointy hat fellas. I'll tell everyone it's a waste of time and energy to get upset about things like this. It's better to have no self respect. They'll understand right?
3. Understanding a person point of view is a waste of time. You got an idea there. We can save money in public schools by getting rid of history. Understanding a lot of things, like why those guys don't get along with these guys is dumb... we don't need to know this stuff. I don't know if you have started a family yet, but you should talk to the school board about that idea.
As I said, thank you for your advice and I will pass this along to people I know. Wish me luck!
1. A word is just a word when there is no ill intent. This is okay even if you don't know your audience personally. Hm, ever try joining an all black basketball game at the park by saying "yo my N-word, can I play?" You can explain your logic after picking your beaten body off the ground. You can say, "aren't you guys being overly sensitive?" They'll understand, you should try it.
2. There is a time limit to get over stuff that happened in history. I'll inform my Jewish coworkers to get over the genocide and all the other bad things before. It's time to let go of all their religious practices that are intended to not forget their past. They need to get past this. I'll tell the Vietnam vets that they should get over the time when they came home and got spit on and called "baby killers" by the likes of Jane Fonda communist. I'll inform my black coworkers that is time to forget segregation and tree hangings by the white pointy hat fellas. I'll tell everyone it's a waste of time and energy to get upset about things like this. It's better to have no self respect. They'll understand right?
3. Understanding a person point of view is a waste of time. You got an idea there. We can save money in public schools by getting rid of history. Understanding a lot of things, like why those guys don't get along with these guys is dumb... we don't need to know this stuff. I don't know if you have started a family yet, but you should talk to the school board about that idea.
As I said, thank you for your advice and I will pass this along to people I know. Wish me luck!
ButtsMcGee
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Jun 30, 2017
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KaozerCan confirm. My We 616 beats out any of my Spydercos, Benchmades, ZT's, and even my Chris Reeve Small Inkosi.
Guns
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Jun 30, 2017
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TVGuideI totally understand being a U.S. MARINE stationed on Okinawa for a year was enlightening! I very happy their government outlawed firearms! If they hadn't I believe from the looks of older Japanese Men towards us, they might have used them! It's never a one way street it seems from my perspective & seems politically correct perspective is discrimination takes place it's only done by one race! If it's done towards that race it's called reverse? It's everyone's responsibility to do & say what's RIGHT!
Barlourd
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Jul 2, 2017
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TVGuidePrejudgement, which you have demonstrated by calling me not very bright, is exactly one of the problems with the older generation. I don't blame you for this, as it is most likely a product of the environment in which you were raised, but I do pity you.
1. This is a product of indoctrination. The attitude that words can only be used by specific people, or that words can only be used in a derogatory manner if a person is a certain skin color is an example of prejudice and racism that has yet to be eradicated.
2. The Holocaust was terrible. It is rather telling that you have chosen such an emotional event and well known event such as this instead of the long-term extermination of his own people by Mao Zudong, who was responsible for the deaths of nearly 65 million Chinese during his reign. Where any of your Jewish co-workers, or their parents, alive to remember the Holocaust? How many of the people responsible for the acts committed are still alive today? Once again, I don't suggest forgetting the past, just setting aside prejudices and learning to grow a thicker skin.
3. I do not suggest leaving history out of schools. What I suggest is not blaming the distant descendants of those who committed atrocities for events long past. Should blame be placed upon me for the actions of those who lived, and died, decades before I was born?
4. When did I suggest not understanding a person's point of view? I am merely suggesting taking the opportunity to grow past the events of the past. Harping on what happened by those long past will only hamper our ability to innovate as a people.
5. As for informing HR, I can understand this point. Fearing replacement by a younger, more capable individual who is capable of empathy can be a rather terrifying thought.
6. Granted, this type of development will only work if it is universal.
I apologize if I have offended any sensibilities of yours. I'm sure you would be able to find a safe space on the Internet with cat videos or, if you aren't able to, hug a teddy bear.
1. This is a product of indoctrination. The attitude that words can only be used by specific people, or that words can only be used in a derogatory manner if a person is a certain skin color is an example of prejudice and racism that has yet to be eradicated.
2. The Holocaust was terrible. It is rather telling that you have chosen such an emotional event and well known event such as this instead of the long-term extermination of his own people by Mao Zudong, who was responsible for the deaths of nearly 65 million Chinese during his reign. Where any of your Jewish co-workers, or their parents, alive to remember the Holocaust? How many of the people responsible for the acts committed are still alive today? Once again, I don't suggest forgetting the past, just setting aside prejudices and learning to grow a thicker skin.
3. I do not suggest leaving history out of schools. What I suggest is not blaming the distant descendants of those who committed atrocities for events long past. Should blame be placed upon me for the actions of those who lived, and died, decades before I was born?
4. When did I suggest not understanding a person's point of view? I am merely suggesting taking the opportunity to grow past the events of the past. Harping on what happened by those long past will only hamper our ability to innovate as a people.
5. As for informing HR, I can understand this point. Fearing replacement by a younger, more capable individual who is capable of empathy can be a rather terrifying thought.
6. Granted, this type of development will only work if it is universal.
I apologize if I have offended any sensibilities of yours. I'm sure you would be able to find a safe space on the Internet with cat videos or, if you aren't able to, hug a teddy bear.
Subiesaurus_R3X
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Jul 5, 2017
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BarlourdWow I really don't even want to step into this crap half a week later but... Wow do I hope you are not from my generation. TVGuide called you not bright and he was not wrong. You bring up Mao Zedong as your point but then spell his name wrong. As for your comment that if there was no ill will then it is perfectly acceptable... @TVGuide nailed it, I double dare you to walk into a black neighborhood and use the N-word in a friendly manner and see where it gets you. I looked up the word "Disparage" in the dictionary, strangely I did not see a time limit... nor did I see anything mentioned about "Unless Barlourd feels it's now okay to use"...
Guns
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Jul 12, 2017
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Subiesaurus_R3XMeditation would most likely help you! It centers your inner self & might possibly give you more control over your self? Maybe next time you don't want to step into crap, you'll be able to step around or over it & not worry with others spelling/punctuation?
Subiesaurus_R3X
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Jul 12, 2017
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GunsYea the spelling was the real issue and not the racism/bigotry. However you are spot on, meditation is amazing. Doesn't help me avoid reading stupid comments by stupid people. It really just makes me sad that people can be so blind. When I Japanese guy tells you that a derogatory term offends him, why is there even a conversation after that? "This is not about you, it's about the millions of people offended by what you are saying"... It really just does not compute to me, people who can be so insensitive to the plight of others. I guess by that rationale I should be more sensitive to his bigotry and lower IQ. :shrug shoulders: Thanks for the advice on meditation though, I haven't done it in a couple days... perhaps I am overdue.
Guns
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Jul 13, 2017
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Subiesaurus_R3XYes, Daily seems to work the best for me. I imagine it's much more difficult to relax your mind when standing on that box with such a trifling load on your shoulders. Carry on! NAMASTE'
Massdrppr
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Oct 25, 2017
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Alex00322Yup! If you follow the threads on the falcon, there are flaws with the detent ball and clip.
Emjay
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Dec 19, 2017
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njw1234The stigma is based on past performance being bad quality. Only in the past few years have the Chinese knives become high quality products. I would say with certainty that these companies were taught by American companies. Spyderco for example produce many of their budget folders in China and taught them that producing high quality knives no matter where they come from will sell well in the U.S.. These companies took a chance and started making much better quality knives. Much to their surprise the products they made started selling well. YouTube knife reviewers started giving them high marks, even the cheap knives such as Ganzo and Sanrenmu started making better knives for very little money. I have a few of those cheap Chinese knives and I will tell you that they are dam good for twice the price. The present stigma is based on the dislike of the the clone issue. It is terrible that it is happening but it is par for the course. The Chinese companies copy everything that they can get their hands on. This should have been taken into account when the companies started making knives there. As far as I am concerned this has made many of the American companies give you a lot more for you money. I am more than happy to buy American even if there is a small difference in quality. Ferrum Forge which is a red white and blue company had to resort to using a Chinese company to produce the Massdrop knives.
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