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behr95
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Nov 26, 2017
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The knifes you guys make look great... The only negative I can see would be:
1. Why put the "Massdrop" logo on the the knife?
Makes is look cheap and doesn't do anything for the ascetics. At the very least, make the logo WAY smaller. That logo is YUUGE!
namhod
1991
Nov 26, 2017
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behr95Find me another company that doesn't put their logo on the knife. Massdrop on the blade, and FFKW on the handle. Both are done in a way that is classy looking in person. I was personally shocked by how subdued the Massdrop logo looks in person.
Aubreal
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Nov 27, 2017
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namhodIt's still bigger than I would like it to be, and Massdrop didn't design or manufacture anything, they're just the retailers. Most retailers don't put their logos on products, even exclusive products like this one. I would have preferred a more subtle WE logo, since they actually manufactured it.
Jaywalk3r
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Nov 27, 2017
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namhodIf I look at the knives at Walmart, they don't say Walmart on the blade. It should be no different for knives that Massdrop retails. Massdrop ae the retailers, not the designers, not the manufacturers. There is zero reason for their name to be on the knife; it's a sorry attempt at free advertising.
namhod
1991
Nov 27, 2017
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Jaywalk3rThey say Ozark Trail. Which is Walmart's outdoor brand. So I am not sure what your argument is.
Jaywalk3r
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Nov 27, 2017
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namhodTheir store brand would be analogous, except the point of a store brand is to hide information about the actual manufacturer. Further, store brand products are heavily discounted compared to the identical name brand products. It would only be similar here if Massdrop were trying to hide the fact that FF and WE were involved with this knife's production. Massdrop is trying to capitalize on FF's reputation while obtaining free advertising. Any way you look at it, they're double-dipping at the expense of their customers.
namhod
1991
Nov 27, 2017
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Jaywalk3rHow many people do you show the blade of your knife to daily? I use my knife a lot throughout my day. Exactly zero people per day are seeing that MD logo. Unless I post it on my Instagram, then I have to post a shot of the back of the knife since MD was kind enough to give us a really clean show side with no markings or logos at all.
I think the whole logo debate is blown out of proportion. It's an affordable knife with great materials from a reputable manufacturer.
I think the whole logo debate is blown out of proportion. It's an affordable knife with great materials from a reputable manufacturer.
Jaywalk3r
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Nov 27, 2017
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namhodI see it. I’m the only one that matters. I don’t wan’t a knife I carry (or gift) to be a billboard for a discount retailer who, realistically, had nothing to do woth the knife beyond logistics.
Jaywalk3r
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Nov 27, 2017
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RussBI'm one of those people discussing the pros and cons. You go away, troll.
Motorrad
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Nov 29, 2017
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Jaywalk3rThat is some of the most pointlessly asinine logic I've ever heard. "double-dipping at the expense of their customers" = pure ignorance.
Jaywalk3r
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Nov 29, 2017
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MotorradI doubt it would make sense if you don’t understand how ads work. There’s a reason so many Web sites have ad-free paid versions and ad-funded ”free” versions. Ads contribute to increases in sales revenue that offsets lost subscription revenue. This knife is no different, except there’s no meaningful discount for tolerating the logo. Massdrop is hoping the tacky logo will attract new users. If you want to subsidize that advertising strategy, feel free. I refuse to do so.
RussB
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Nov 29, 2017
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Jaywalk3rI think MD being involved in this collaboration is something worth being proud of and having massdrop as a fairly insignificant logo on the non-presentation side of the blade isn't any different than having zero tolerance or whatever branding written on there. It's branding, plain and simple. It's a good knife and if someone looks at the knife and says "hmm, i like that knife and whenever i see massdrop later on i know what kind of quality I'll get."
Are those levis you're wearing? Don't ever buy a pair of ray bans. And for God's sake, don't buy your wife a coach purse.
Are those levis you're wearing? Don't ever buy a pair of ray bans. And for God's sake, don't buy your wife a coach purse.
Motorrad
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Nov 29, 2017
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Jaywalk3rActually, it would not make sense if you don't understand how BRANDING works. Seems like MD has been working with select manufacturers AND MD communities to make cool, high quality items for reasonable cost. There are some other great collaborations in outdoor gear, audio gear...
"Massdrop is hoping the tacky logo will attract new users." Not exactly, but I can see how your lack of understanding and odd, desperate need to validate your logic would lead one there.
I get that you will come back to disavow this as branding and continue to scream "advertising", "rip off" blah blah, but you would still be wrong.
Now, I get that, for some, the rather innocuous logo on the blade is a deal-breaker, but for me, someone who uses a knife rather than collect and fetishize, it is of no concern.
I get that you will come back to disavow this as branding and continue to scream "advertising", "rip off" blah blah, but you would still be wrong.
Now, I get that, for some, the rather innocuous logo on the blade is a deal-breaker, but for me, someone who uses a knife rather than collect and fetishize, it is of no concern.
Jaywalk3r
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Nov 29, 2017
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RussBMassdrop neither designed nor produced the knife; they were involved in logistics. That’s nothing like a Levi tab or Coach logo. That’s equivalent to Walmart insisting their logo be permanently affixed to goods sold in their stores because they placed an order to obtain inventory. I’ll pass, thanks.
Also, reading the comments, this knife is not withput quality issues. The clip, for example, is bad design by any standard. And while I’ve been happy with many MD purchases, all of my MD knife purchases have been disappointing, so you might be onto something about Massdrop might want people to have reasonable expectations of MD knives.
Also, reading the comments, this knife is not withput quality issues. The clip, for example, is bad design by any standard. And while I’ve been happy with many MD purchases, all of my MD knife purchases have been disappointing, so you might be onto something about Massdrop might want people to have reasonable expectations of MD knives.
Motorrad
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Nov 29, 2017
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Jaywalk3rI get why you are so confused, but why are you so angry? It's just a knife. It's worth the price, but is it really worth getting so upset about it?
RussB
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Nov 29, 2017
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Jaywalk3rSo then go away. MD has been as good about knives as spyderco. Plain and simple. You don't like them that's fine. Go somewhere where people appreciate you chugging someone's c0ck. Here you're just crapping on a knife that has overwhelmingly positive reviews and any possible design flaws are getting corrected. And getting corrected quickly without shifting blame or any other shady practice. They acknowledged it and are taking care of it.
And if md was only involved in the logistics then how is it that the design manager designed a clip on the fly and is having it made right now? That's a tad bit more than simply reselling something.
And yeah, a lot of companies have their own brands manufactured by someone else. A lot of times the product is as good as anything else on the market but with the company's own branding. It's pretty common.
Who do you think you are?
And if md was only involved in the logistics then how is it that the design manager designed a clip on the fly and is having it made right now? That's a tad bit more than simply reselling something.
And yeah, a lot of companies have their own brands manufactured by someone else. A lot of times the product is as good as anything else on the market but with the company's own branding. It's pretty common.
Who do you think you are?
Jaywalk3r
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Nov 29, 2017
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MotorradYou keep erroneously claiming that MD made a significant contribution to this knife's design or production, when in reality, they played a role similar to Walmart. So affixing their discount retailer logo on the knife is in no way comparable to a Levi tab or a Coach logo. It's more like a giant Walmart or Dollar General logo permanently affixed to your Levi or Coach products.
I'm not a collector. The appeal of this knife was that it was a plain-jane knife with no bling factor that I could gift to people who don't have experience with quality knives and who might appreciate an entry level Sebenza clone. But not with that logo, unless MD decides to knock $100 off the price to fairly pay for the advertising they expect from buyers.
I'm not a collector. The appeal of this knife was that it was a plain-jane knife with no bling factor that I could gift to people who don't have experience with quality knives and who might appreciate an entry level Sebenza clone. But not with that logo, unless MD decides to knock $100 off the price to fairly pay for the advertising they expect from buyers.
Jaywalk3r
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Nov 29, 2017
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RussBThat's a funny post, considering it has been you and your fellow trolls claiming that I have no right to hold a fair, objective opinion about this knife.
The reviews of this knife have overwhelmingly been critical of the design, particularly (but certainly not exclusively) the clip, which has suffered widespread failure. If this knife were as well designed and built as you claim, that obvious design flaw would have been caught long before production began.
If you want to purchase the knife, feel free. No one is trying to stop you. But many reasonable people do not hold the knife in the same high esteem as you do.
"Rarely do you pay for the 'name'. That's a bullshit sales pitch made up by the ignorant claiming to offer the same for less." -Sal Glesser, Founder, Spyderco.
The reviews of this knife have overwhelmingly been critical of the design, particularly (but certainly not exclusively) the clip, which has suffered widespread failure. If this knife were as well designed and built as you claim, that obvious design flaw would have been caught long before production began.
If you want to purchase the knife, feel free. No one is trying to stop you. But many reasonable people do not hold the knife in the same high esteem as you do.
"Rarely do you pay for the 'name'. That's a bullshit sales pitch made up by the ignorant claiming to offer the same for less." -Sal Glesser, Founder, Spyderco.
FerrumForge
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FerrumForge_Chris
Nov 29, 2017
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Jaywalk3rThere is a bit of confusion here. The Crux is a MassDrop product, not a Ferrum Forge product. MassDrop is responsible for organizing and managing the entire process of bringing these knives to market as well as taking on all of the costs and risks. MassDrop and the community have made the Crux possible and thanks to MassDrop's expertise and resources, made it available at a great price. To be clear, the Crux would not even exist without MassDrop. The Crux and the entire MassDrop x Ferrum Forge line is a willing partnership and collaboration between MassDrop, Ferrum Forge and WE Knives. No party is taking advantage of the others. Since MassDrop is footing all of the bills for this project, their logo on the blade is not free advertising at all.
Jaywalk3r
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Nov 29, 2017
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MotorradI'm not the one getting angry. I simply let MD know that their logo was (understandably) a deal breaker. Many other posters have shared a similar opinion. MD has a right to know why they are missing out on sales. It has been you and your fellow trolls who are getting upset at anyone who doesn't proclaim this knife to be the best cutting tool ever produced.
Jaywalk3r
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Nov 29, 2017
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FerrumForgeThey're charging full price, and placing the logo on the knife. By definition, they are expecting free advertising. No one claimed that MD was taking advantage of WE or FF; they're taking advantage of consumers, expecting them to display the logo when using the knife. I'm not going to subsidize their advertising like that. Others are free to do so if they choose.
namhod
1991
Nov 29, 2017
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Jaywalk3r@Jaywalk3r@Motorrad@RussB
I think you guys need to take a step back. It is a good knife. It may have some issues. You may or may not want to buy it.
Everyone has an opinion, just because it is different than yours doesn't mean it is "trolling". Calling names and bein unconstructive is trolling.
I think you guys need to take a step back. It is a good knife. It may have some issues. You may or may not want to buy it.
Everyone has an opinion, just because it is different than yours doesn't mean it is "trolling". Calling names and bein unconstructive is trolling.
Jaywalk3r
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Nov 29, 2017
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namhod" It may have some issues. You may or may not want to buy it."
That's _exactly_ what I've been saying. I also provided the reason why, for me (and others), it falls in the "may not want to buy" category. Others simply cannot accept that anyone could be knowledgable of knives and not recognize this knife as some incredible value.
That's _exactly_ what I've been saying. I also provided the reason why, for me (and others), it falls in the "may not want to buy" category. Others simply cannot accept that anyone could be knowledgable of knives and not recognize this knife as some incredible value.
RussB
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Nov 29, 2017
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Jaywalk3rSeriously dude, why are you actively seeking to get people upset about this knife? It's a really good one at an extremely reasonable price. Much better value than most on the market right now. It's obvious all three companies had a big hand in the making of this knife and all deserve to put their stamp on it. Some things you may not find all that appealing but that's your opinion alone. There's ZERO wrong with this knife. It checks every box that could reasonably be checked at a price that's very doable for most people if they want a quality knife. It's in no way a clone. You're trolling just to troll and you're crapping on a great product that you don't like for very personal reasons, not because of anything objective.
As far as the clip, that, to me, is absolutely no reason to get bent out of shape. Pardon the pun. People break any and all clips on any and all knives if they're careless. Genuinely there's nothing wrong with the clip but it's good to give people some peace of mind. As far as the logos, that's purely your own personal taste. Me? I don't mind whatsoever that the involved companies put their names on it. In hand it's not noticeable or whatever. If you want a knife with no markings go buy an actual ripped off version from alibaba. Most of those companies have no qualms about producing something and not getting credit for it. I'm sure that's probably why you're so upset now.
Really, I'm sure you're an employee of Quartermaster or some other shady company here to screw up your very real competition. Otherwise there's no reason for you hanging around this sales thread crapping on a knife you have no other legitimate reason to be crapping on. Did you even buy one? Or are you basing all of your ideas on assumptions and theories intended to water down the hype over one of your competitors?
As far as the clip, that, to me, is absolutely no reason to get bent out of shape. Pardon the pun. People break any and all clips on any and all knives if they're careless. Genuinely there's nothing wrong with the clip but it's good to give people some peace of mind. As far as the logos, that's purely your own personal taste. Me? I don't mind whatsoever that the involved companies put their names on it. In hand it's not noticeable or whatever. If you want a knife with no markings go buy an actual ripped off version from alibaba. Most of those companies have no qualms about producing something and not getting credit for it. I'm sure that's probably why you're so upset now.
Really, I'm sure you're an employee of Quartermaster or some other shady company here to screw up your very real competition. Otherwise there's no reason for you hanging around this sales thread crapping on a knife you have no other legitimate reason to be crapping on. Did you even buy one? Or are you basing all of your ideas on assumptions and theories intended to water down the hype over one of your competitors?
Jaywalk3r
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Nov 29, 2017
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RussBI'm not trying to upset anyone. I'm simply pointing out that the logo is a deal breaker for me and many others. You are the one getting your panties in a wad because not everyone shares your opinion about the value proposition of the knife.
And no, I won't be buying this knife. The logo keeps me from gifting it, and the design compromises (which keep the price down) clearly visible in pics and/or pointed out in comments, make it pointless to purchase it for myself, since I already carry something much better.
I have no idea who Quartermaster is, but if you like the knife, feel free to buy. Just stop criticizing others for not sharing your opinion.
And no, I won't be buying this knife. The logo keeps me from gifting it, and the design compromises (which keep the price down) clearly visible in pics and/or pointed out in comments, make it pointless to purchase it for myself, since I already carry something much better.
I have no idea who Quartermaster is, but if you like the knife, feel free to buy. Just stop criticizing others for not sharing your opinion.
RussB
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Nov 29, 2017
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Jaywalk3rSo you stated your opinion. Probably 10 or more times already. And you're going out of your way to contradict good reviews and exaggerate any potential issue without even having held the knife. Your opinion is based on ignorance and loyalty to another brand, which is fine, but not whenever you cherry pick a fine product and go out of your way to stop any hype this product could receive. Go onto any knife forum and do the same and you'd already have received an infraction or outright ban. Not because you have a negative opinion, but because you have an ignorant opinion and you won't walk away from it and you are arguing with people with informed opinions about a knife this company has every right to advertise.
Jaywalk3r
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RussBYes, I stated my opinion. Then you and you fellow trolls decided since my opinion differs from yours, then it must be invalid. Go back under your bridge, troll.
RussB
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Nov 29, 2017
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Jaywalk3rExcept you've stated it. Repeatedly. Over and over again. And it shows just what you're trying to accomplish.
I stand by my theory that you're an employee of a competitor and you're trying to extinguish any hype this knife could get. Or you're an [moderated]. Either way.
I stand by my theory that you're an employee of a competitor and you're trying to extinguish any hype this knife could get. Or you're an [moderated]. Either way.
Jaywalk3r
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RussBAnd you've repeatedly behaved as a troll, acting as though only your own uninformed opinion is worthy of these forums, and anyone who disagrees with you should be ignored. As has been said many times: if you like the knife, buy it. Absolutely no one is discouraging you (except maybe your parents). No one is trying to "extinguish any hype this knife could get." Stop disrespecting those of us who, for very good and compelling reasons, find the knife's value is less than its cost, and therefore choose not to join the drop.
MikeMD
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Nov 29, 2017
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Jaywalk3rHey Everyone,
I appreciate a passionate debate but please keep the discussion about the product and not reduce ourselves to attacking each other. I'll be moderating any further comments that are off topic. Thank you.
I appreciate a passionate debate but please keep the discussion about the product and not reduce ourselves to attacking each other. I'll be moderating any further comments that are off topic. Thank you.
Jaywalk3r
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Nov 29, 2017
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MikeMDI wish someone would. All of these attacks for simply stating a common & reasonable opinion about the product are ridiculous.
Gunmonkey1974
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Dec 28, 2017
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Jaywalk3ryou’re The only one that matters... right there that sums up your personality... a production knife that literally thousands of other people have not got an issue with but you’re the only person that they should care about
Jaywalk3r
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Dec 28, 2017
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BroodyYou ressurected a dead thread on an inactive drop for no reason than to make a personal attack and you accuse _me_ of trolling!?!?!?
10/10 Irony score!
10/10 Irony score!
Jaywalk3r
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Dec 28, 2017
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Gunmonkey1974One user account wasn't enough for your trolling, Broody?
Gunmonkey1974
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Dec 28, 2017
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Jaywalk3rSomeone needs to remind you from time to time that you’re a selfish person and that you missed out on a good product for a very silly reason
Jaywalk3r
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Dec 28, 2017
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Gunmonkey1974That just happened to ressurect a dead thread at the same time as you? Suuuuuuure …
Go away, troll.
Go away, troll.
Jaywalk3r
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Dec 28, 2017
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Gunmonkey1974Selfish? You clearly don't know me. A really good product? Perhaps for some people. For me, it had deal-breaking features and is far inferior to the knife already in my pocket by any objective standard.
Gunmonkey1974
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Dec 28, 2017
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Jaywalk3rThen like everyone said... don’t buy it when they reissue the drop ... the knives are Massdrop’s brand desined by Elliot and Chris... telling them that the logo needs to go is like telling any other Knife company to take their logo off...
Jaywalk3r
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Dec 28, 2017
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Gunmonkey1974Funny, that's exactly what I said, then you and others accused me of trolling simply because I wasn't claiming this knife was the giant killer you seem to believe it to be. If you like the knife, buy it. Stop insulting/attacking those who, for very good reasons, choose differently than you and opt to not make the purchase. The logo is a dealbreaker for many, not just me. And there have been widespread problems with the clip, a design issue that certainly should have been anticipated and avoided.
Nothing draws more negative attention to a product than encouraging someone to defend their legitimate criticisms over and over as you're doing here.
Nothing draws more negative attention to a product than encouraging someone to defend their legitimate criticisms over and over as you're doing here.
Gunmonkey1974
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Dec 28, 2017
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Jaywalk3rI carried the prototype... I carried the production samples and I carried the actual finished product... I can give legitimate criticism... is it the best knife out there no but at least I didn’t make blind statements ... I don’t like benchmade but you do se me on those drops being a fly in the ointment
Jaywalk3r
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Dec 28, 2017
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Gunmonkey1974So, what you're saying is that you're far more biased than most regarding this knife. Now your trolling makes sense.
Best knife out there? Seriously? Statements like that reveal you as a FF shill trolling the thread. Cosmetic and clip issues aside, it might provide adequate value at its price point, but anyone familiar with high-end production knives can tell this isn't one. That doesn't make it a bad knife, but it falls well short of being "the best knife out there."
Best knife out there? Seriously? Statements like that reveal you as a FF shill trolling the thread. Cosmetic and clip issues aside, it might provide adequate value at its price point, but anyone familiar with high-end production knives can tell this isn't one. That doesn't make it a bad knife, but it falls well short of being "the best knife out there."
Gunmonkey1974
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Jaywalk3r Learn to read I said it isn’t the best knife out there … Take your recreational out rage somewhere else that’s all I’m saying
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