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Jaywalk3r
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Oct 21, 2017
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If only it didn't have "Massdrop" written on the blade. That's definitely a deal breaker.
Jaywalk3r
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Oct 21, 2017
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DetexWould you be equally okay if it said "Walmart" or "Dollar General"? Placing the name of a discount retailer on the blade is tacky and makes the knife look exceptionally cheap, like it should have an MSRP of $14.95 or less. Frankly, with the Massdrop logo etched on the blade, that's the ceiling for what I'm willing to pay, regardless of the quality of the knife.
Detex
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Oct 21, 2017
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Jaywalk3rFrankly I don’t care what it says If the quality meets my expecrations, which it does. This knife would not have been possible without massdrop so I have no problem giving them credit for it. If Walmart or dollar general out a knife like this I would buy it there as well... sounds like you are embarrassed to shop on the site so I guess this knife is not for you.
Jaywalk3r
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Oct 21, 2017
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DetexThis knife could have easily been made without Massdrop. Massdrop is the retailer, not the engineer or craftsperson. Am I embarrassed to shop on Massdrop? No. I've even introduced friends to the site. Willing to pay for the "privilege" of advertising for Massdrop? Definitely not. I'll pay a purchase price up front OR I'll provide them with free advertising, but I am unwilling to do both. If it's a Massdrop logoed knife, then it should be a promotional (near-) freebie, included with other purchases. If I'm paying full price, as would be the case here, then the only logo allowed on the knife is the maker's.
YMMV.
YMMV.
Jaywalk3r
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Oct 21, 2017
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DetexConsidering the abundance of negative reviews about this knife's design and quality that I've read in this thread, I'm not sure "fantastic" and "very similar to this knife" belong in the same sentence. I seriously doubt I'd consider any FF product at this point, let alone one designed primarily as a billboard for a discount retailer.
Jaywalk3r
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Oct 21, 2017
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DetexAs I said in my first post, before you started trolling.
TylerDurden333
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Oct 22, 2017
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Jaywalk3rIt's only a "deal breaker" if you plan on placing the knife on a pedestal to be viewed and not used. I love the FF, ergonomics, action, CLIP.
Jaywalk3r
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Oct 23, 2017
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svtcobra00Not at all. It's legitimate feedback to Massdrop to let them know that their logo is specifically what prevented me from joining the drop.
Jaywalk3r
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Oct 23, 2017
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TylerDurden333No, it's a deal breaker for a utility EDC knife, also.
jwzhan
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Oct 23, 2017
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Jaywalk3rNope can't be made without MD because MD is the distributor. FF had to be working with a distributor on this to make it possible given the volume required. If it's not MD, it would be BladeHQ or someone else. Working with MD might have given FF the ability to keep the price lower as opposed to say co-op with BladeHQ, so you are trading the free ad for a lower price. Also you have no issue with custom knives which cost $500+ having huge logos advertising the brand but you do have an issue with $120 knife advertising? hmm... smells like a troll, looks like a troll, oh I don't know.. probably a troll? I can be wrong.
ArchLT
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Oct 23, 2017
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DetexEvery single time you look at the knife blade, the thought of massdrop will come up. and/or a conversation -specifically- related to massdrop will arise. It taints the time-experience of the object. I've turned town many great deals because I'm aware of how much a simple logo affects my psyche. For something as frequently used as a knife, it matters quite a bit.
Although not for me! At least in this case :) happy to have bought this beautiful piece of machinery
Although not for me! At least in this case :) happy to have bought this beautiful piece of machinery
ArchLT
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Oct 24, 2017
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DetexConsider the "Ultimate direction" backpack/gear that's been dropped a few times. If I go out camping and photographs are taken, completely in private or for my own sake, it's almost like every photo with the logo becomes an embedded advertisement, and simply modifies the reflection of the experience. I don't want that, yet if anyone wanted to know what kind of bag I was using I would gladly tell them how much I enjoyed it and where they could go to get one for themselves.
In a case like this, a knife, I care not, as this is a tool that will accumulate experiences that stretch beyond the acquiring circumstances. And as well, a very private device.
Sadly coy of you to respond like you did! :P I am attempting to extrapolate on the feeling the alleged "troll" feels through personal reflection. You wouldn't wear a piece of clothing with an ideological symbol that wasn't in coherence with your own thought, right? Sounds like the fella doesn't want to -convey,- even accidentally, the idea that he wants to "save money" on a quality knife. In fact I know quite a few knife enthusiasts who will spend altogether too much on knives in order to sort of internally put a value on how much they enjoy using them.
If this knife was 10$, yet of the same quality, a great many people would still purchase it -and yet- associate a diminished value in it, as being "a 10$ knife," which leads to the thought "is this all the value I place on the experience I love so much?"
Okay, imagine it like this, if when you purchased something from eBay, eBay placed an irremovable stamp/logo in an obvious place on the thing. We can speculate that this would hinder sales, as the "marking of the territory" might be construed as a desperate attempt to stay relevant as a company, or the desire of the company to be searched and profit. Compare this, to the wonderful service that is actually eBay, where they don't do that, and it is word of mouth praised as a wonderful way to purchase nearly anything.
In a case like this, a knife, I care not, as this is a tool that will accumulate experiences that stretch beyond the acquiring circumstances. And as well, a very private device.
Sadly coy of you to respond like you did! :P I am attempting to extrapolate on the feeling the alleged "troll" feels through personal reflection. You wouldn't wear a piece of clothing with an ideological symbol that wasn't in coherence with your own thought, right? Sounds like the fella doesn't want to -convey,- even accidentally, the idea that he wants to "save money" on a quality knife. In fact I know quite a few knife enthusiasts who will spend altogether too much on knives in order to sort of internally put a value on how much they enjoy using them.
If this knife was 10$, yet of the same quality, a great many people would still purchase it -and yet- associate a diminished value in it, as being "a 10$ knife," which leads to the thought "is this all the value I place on the experience I love so much?"
Okay, imagine it like this, if when you purchased something from eBay, eBay placed an irremovable stamp/logo in an obvious place on the thing. We can speculate that this would hinder sales, as the "marking of the territory" might be construed as a desperate attempt to stay relevant as a company, or the desire of the company to be searched and profit. Compare this, to the wonderful service that is actually eBay, where they don't do that, and it is word of mouth praised as a wonderful way to purchase nearly anything.
Detex
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Oct 24, 2017
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ArchLTNone of these arguments really make sense.
"If I go out camping and photographs are taken, completely in private or for my own sake, it's almost like every photo with the logo becomes an embedded advertisement, and simply modifies the reflection of the experience. "
sounds like you care way too much for how others see you.
" Sounds like the fella doesn't want to -convey,- even accidentally, the idea that he wants to "save money" on a quality knife. "
sounds like you care way too much for how others see you.
" I know quite a few knife enthusiasts who will spend altogether too much on knives in order to sort of internally put a value on how much they enjoy using them. "
sounds like you care way too much for how others see you.
The eBay argument is just weird. If I am selling some used gear on eBay why would they put their logo on it, they have nothing to do with the manufacturing of said gear. In the upside-down world where eBay wanted to team up with Patagonia and make some down jackets for $50 I would be totally fine if they put a small logo on it.
"If I go out camping and photographs are taken, completely in private or for my own sake, it's almost like every photo with the logo becomes an embedded advertisement, and simply modifies the reflection of the experience. "
sounds like you care way too much for how others see you.
" Sounds like the fella doesn't want to -convey,- even accidentally, the idea that he wants to "save money" on a quality knife. "
sounds like you care way too much for how others see you.
" I know quite a few knife enthusiasts who will spend altogether too much on knives in order to sort of internally put a value on how much they enjoy using them. "
sounds like you care way too much for how others see you.
The eBay argument is just weird. If I am selling some used gear on eBay why would they put their logo on it, they have nothing to do with the manufacturing of said gear. In the upside-down world where eBay wanted to team up with Patagonia and make some down jackets for $50 I would be totally fine if they put a small logo on it.
ArchLT
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Oct 24, 2017
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DetexNo other person is involved in these experiences/ "arguments" except myself. So IDGAF what others think, I enjoy an aesthetic personal experience.
Just throwing out possible reasons why others might not be interesting certain branding methods. I suggest there's a grander market effect, and if one paid attention to this then they could profit from such
Just throwing out possible reasons why others might not be interesting certain branding methods. I suggest there's a grander market effect, and if one paid attention to this then they could profit from such
Tacotime
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Oct 26, 2017
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ArchLTI think he did an excellent job with articulating his point, @Detex. I know that I would not want MD's logo on my knife, at least not in its current state. They could have easily placed a subtle logo somewhere out of the way, but the route they chose to go with is, IMO, rather tasteless. I joined the drop for their latest collab by waking up to an alarm I set specifically for purchasing a product that I was very stoked about. I didn't even want to look at too many photos in order to keep anticipation high. Well, when I did give into temptation and looked, I saw that God-awful logo on what is being touted as a "gentleman's folder", and it really deflated the whole experience for me. I'm going to see how I feel about it once it's in hand, but there is a good chance I will likely try and sell it, or give it as a gift. Do I care what people think? In certain instances, yeah, of course I do. Anyone that says they don't is full of shit. In this case, however, I don't have even the slightest modicum of concern as to whether someone knows that Mass Drop played a part in the production of my knife. This is about the intrinsic value that I place on an object. I would love to have a 2017 Audi S4. *Would I purchase one if discounted to the unbelievably low price of $30k, under the condition that it was covered with a gigantic, "Carl Jenkins Audi, Mercedes, and Lexus" logo"? SHIIIIIIIIT no, that would kill an otherwise beautiful experience I wanted to have with that automobile, thereby making it not worth it, even at that price. On the flip side, I purchased a Moto G 5 plus cell phone from Amazon at a mildly discounted price in exchange for dealing with their ads on my lockscreen. It's the same situation, except I place very little intrinsic value on a cell phone. I weighed the +/- of the situation, and felt it was a worthwhile sacrifice.
I think that most people expressing displeasure with MD branding these knives the way they did probably do so for similar reasons. Sure, some knife snobs probably don't like it because they don't want others to judge them, but that's not the case for me, and I presume ArchLT.
*Editor's note: Realistically, I'd buy that son of a bitch in a heartbeat, immediately paint over that stupid logo, and drive it like I stole it.
I think that most people expressing displeasure with MD branding these knives the way they did probably do so for similar reasons. Sure, some knife snobs probably don't like it because they don't want others to judge them, but that's not the case for me, and I presume ArchLT.
*Editor's note: Realistically, I'd buy that son of a bitch in a heartbeat, immediately paint over that stupid logo, and drive it like I stole it.
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