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BarryO
159
Jan 26, 2018
Recieved my Beautiful Blue Falcon today, super excited to open my box and there it is , great color and what do YOU THINK THEY DID TO SAVE A BUCK, THEY PUT A GREY CLIP FROM THE GRREY FALCON ! Ugly UGLY CLIP, IT IS EVEN THE TEXTURE OF THE GREY, TOTALLY DIFFERENT THEN THE BLUE. FOR ME IT RUINED THE KNIFE ! I am such a big fan and to save a buck they cheated their fan base. I really can't believe it. I feel like sending it back, I really hate it that much. Why do that to such a cool knife. No one can convince me it wasn't to save money. They had to have excess clips from the situation they created with all the clips that keep breaking. HORRIBLE..
Kavik
5531
Jan 27, 2018
BarryOUmmmmmmmm.....the pictures in the drop show the grey clip, and the grey spacer. And the fact that it's the same clip as the Crux has been discussed ad nauseum. Sorry to hear you're not happy with it, but none of this should have been a surprise upon opening the box. I just got mine 30 minutes ago and think the dual tone looks gorgeous together.
BarryO
159
Jan 27, 2018
KavikWow, u r correct, I missed it...I was not expecting the grey and of course its all personal taste, but I had blue in my mind and the grey stands out like a sore thumb to me. I do appreciate you pointing out the picture showing grey, it makes me feel better that it was not a mistake, some having blue and others grey. The world won't stop for sure and I look back and think I may have gotten carried away. Take care, Barry
Kavik
5531
Jan 27, 2018
BarryOUnderstandable, to be a little emotional on some of these purchases lol In my opinion I also think the grey is nice as being less flashy on the outside of the pocket... But like you said, it's all personal taste
Could always send it out for a polish and new anodizing to make it one of a kind and more to your tastes :)
BarryO
159
Jan 27, 2018
KavikVery cool idea !...these knives will be the end of me. I can't control my new habit...
Kavik
5531
Jan 27, 2018
BarryOLol tell me about it. Not for this knife, but for the 3 other titanium handle knives I bought here this month, I plan to try some anodizing of my own.... Should get interesting! :) (lucky that I already had the equipment required for other electro-etching on other projects, so won't require another big purchase!)
BarryO
159
Jan 27, 2018
KavikI can't remember where the slide of needing every Spydeco, Benchmade, Zero Tolerance, etc, knife I saw. My significant other thinks I should be committed. She asks me where is the value in buying so many and the scary thing is I don't have a good answer !!.... What can I say but its a hobbie that seems to have no end...lol ( I Think)
Bflying
1105
Jan 28, 2018
BarryOBarry, I would be happy to ano your clip and spacer for you if you would like. Although, because it would be very difficult to hit the same exact shade of the slabs after the fact, it would probably still be better to stay with a contrasting color. Gold, bronze, purple etc could all look good with that purple"y" blue. Heck, even a chartreuse green that I've hit on a couple of ZT's may look cool.

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BarryO
159
Jan 28, 2018
BflyingYou did a beautiful job on your knives, I appreciate the offer...I will give it some thought about the ano...I am getting used to the color...Thanks Barry ......I may take you up in A week or two if you were serious......
BarryO
159
Jan 28, 2018
BarryOThe color blue you made your clip on the what looked like a Falcon was really nice, kind of ti dyed...
Kavik
5531
Jan 28, 2018
BflyingThose are done with heat, not electricity, right? Still studying up on the process, but trying to figure out if blends like that are doable with electric anodizing
Bflying
1105
Jan 29, 2018
BarryONo worries either way. Just let me know if you want it. Not looking for payment, my knife stuff is just hobby....Keeps it enjoyable. @BarryO @Kavik I use electricity for anodizing. I tried flame on a couple of things, but could never end up with anything I liked. Wildly unpredictable, for me at least. YMMV. I started out just using 9 volt batteries and Coca Cola for the electrolyte. With that method I could at least ballpark a desired color. However batteries add a couple more variables to a long list of things that already exist. But most of my currently anodized knives were done with batteries. So if you are willing to try, most likely can be done with stuff already on hand. Still trying to deside what electrolyte I like best. But lately been using a borox/baking soda mix.
The Falcon clip (blue to purple fade) was the first item I had done in a good part of last year. And still using batteries. Very old batteries. I just purchased a small tabletop power source last month, which opened many doors to better targeting a desired color.
I had been planning on stripping and re-anodizing the Falcon clip, but there is no time like the present. Now that I'm thinking about it again, I'll run downstairs and strip it now. If it doesn't look horrible, I'll follow up with pics. Wish me luck. 😬😁
Kavik
5531
Jan 29, 2018
BflyingBest of luck! :) I actually already have a DC power supply from previous forays into etching, so no problem for me there
Bflying
1105
Jan 29, 2018
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Kavik
5531
Jan 29, 2018
BflyingVery nice man! That green is crisp :) Appreciate the whole array of pics by voltage!
But these are all sold colors again. How did you do the gradient before? (if you don't mind me asking) The gradient was what had made me think you were using heat originally
Bflying
1105
Jan 29, 2018
KavikSorry, I forgot to do a fade on one of the strips. That clip gradient was actually just stumbled into. I was using weak and old batteries. Between that and the weak cathode, I ended up with the small fade. The fade increased with use and wear.
I have done purposeful gradients, like the scales on my Crux. But again I think I was still using batteries at that point. If I were doing it now, I'd start by doing the lower voltage color over the entire part. Then increase power, and only dip the next portion. You'd want to vary the speed you dip and keep moving in the fade area. May want to have more transition voltages for the fade.
It may help to have the Amp's down super low so it takes a longer dwell time at each setting. With this new power supply, I've been setting the amp's around 0.5-1.0. And with that it only takes a second or two. So not a lot of dwell time to add motion for a fade. Maybe a pro could jump in here if I'm way off base. So possibly set the amp's down around 0.1 or less, so it takes a bit longer at each voltage setting.
I'm still getting used to this machine. But also keep changing other things up like the liquid for electrolyte. Also just today I was trying out a new cathode setup. As seen in a tube video, I'm using a stainless bowl as the cathode, with a plastic spaghetti strainer to keep from touching the part.
I'll attach the color chart I've been using to estimate color voltage. It was fairly accurate when using fresh 9 volt batteries. But with this power supply, it seems to be off by as much as 20-25 volts. So at say 70 volts, I will be getting colors of maybe 90 volts on this chart. But at least the progression of color seems to be consistent.

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Kavik
5531
Jan 29, 2018
BflyingAhhh, wondered if it was a varying dip situation :) (or using a swab instead of a bath)
I think I'm gonna make myself a color chart with some titanium wire if I end up doing a lot of this. Too many variables trying to go off a pic with who knows what white balance, exposure, screen settings, etc.
Thanks again for the advise, would give multiple thumbs up if they'd let me
BarryO
159
Jan 30, 2018
KavikLooking good! I am going to try on my own this eeek...will keep u posted. P.S. YOU ARE IMPULSIVE, LIKE MYSEKF..LOL
Kavik
5531
Jan 30, 2018
BarryOTagging @BflyingPretty sure that response was meant for him ;-p
BarryO
159
Jan 30, 2018
KavikHaHa.....u r right THANKS
Bflying
1105
Jan 30, 2018
BarryOSweet, do it. Not sure what you mean, me, impulsive? Nah. But maybe compulsive, and a little repulsive. 😇 Remember, you gotta share the results.
HeyMatthew
105
Jan 30, 2018
KavikI haven't done it myself, but I know you can use a sponge brush (you can get them at craft stores or big box home centers or whatever) and 'paint' on the anodization by soaking the sponge in your solution (baking soda, vinegar, soda, whatever) and attaching your clip to the sponge, etc. So rather than dipping, you're just 'painting' it on. By varying your speed, you can sort of change the color as you go. It's not exact and it's probably impossible to replicate, but you can do it. I guess if you had some way to move the sponge at a specific speed across your material, you could replicate it more easily... Maybe a servo motor with a small belt attached and run your piece under the sponge?
BarryO
159
Jan 30, 2018
HeyMatthewThank you I will give it a try
Kavik
5531
Jan 30, 2018
HeyMatthewThanks Matthew. I've got a "wand" i made for doing spot etching that could work for that, just want 100% sure it would work the same (and a little leary of holding the thing on the higher voltages... But low amperage at least) Gonna give this all a try soon, been waiting for 2 other plain titanium knives to arrive first... And the Goblin key arrived today :)
HeyMatthew
105
Jan 30, 2018
KavikA lot of the little brushes I've seen come with wooden handles. But, as we all know, wood can carry water / liquid, which can carry current so maybe not the best bet. I'd look for one that has a plastic handle. Or put some heat shrink tubing on the wooden handle and shrink it down tight to give yourself a barrier. You should probably be wearing some rubber gloves anyway for stuff like this (safety first!) so those would help.
And wear good shoes. :)
Bflying
1105
Jan 31, 2018
BarryOI actually started out using a brush method. It was just how it was taught on the primary web page that I was using to learn some of the basics. One of the upsides was that it was easy to do some items without even breaking it down. But it much easier to keep a consistent solid color by using the dip method. The first few knives I did, were left intact. As only the Ti was affected, I could run the "brush" over just about anything. My "brush" was just a tiny piece of cotton cloth that I rolled up and stuck in the mouth of the little alligator clip. Then taped up the metal clip so only the cloth was visible on the end. Just to help not get zapped, even if it is very low amperage. Also wore rubber gloves.
If I remember correctly, I reversed the polarity (as I perceived it anyway), from how I now hook it up my machine. Currently I'm using a stainless bowl (with a plastic strainer to keep part from touching) for the cathode, and connecting to Negative. The positive end, I'm clipping to some Titanium wire to hang the part from.
When first learning and gleaning pieces and parts from different websites, I was using the brush method. And clipping the Positive end directly to the part. The Negative clip had the cloth as described above. I would just dip the cloth end in the electrolyte (then, CokaCola), making sure the liquid was absorbed far enough to make contact with metal clip. Then simply rub the brush around on the part. My ZT0450 was the original sacrificial lamb. I think I did pretty well keeping the blue color consistent. I think it's on the third or fourth color change at this time. Next was my ZT0452, and it's been changed at least once also. :D
I'll edit this in a minute to add a pic of my original, very technical setup.
@HeyMatthew @BarryO @Kavik

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Kavik
5531
Jan 31, 2018
Bflying@HeyMatthewI'm on the look out for some decent rubber gloves that are thick and yet still allow a decent amount of dexterity
Here's the wand I made for etching:
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The wooden handle was about 5" long, walnut. (unfinished in the pic, but made waterproof eventually) 1/4" threaded steel rod through the handle then threaded into a hunk of brass approximately 1"x1"x.5" Cloth or sponge gets rubber banded over the head. 14ga wire with soldered connectors attach to the back end and covered with shrink tubing
For the critical eye: this burn marks were from letting the brass get to hot while shaping on a belt sander, not electricity burns lol
Kavik
5531
Jan 31, 2018
HeyMatthewThis thing keeps screwing up when I try to add tags in my posts on the mobile site. See my latest response to Bflying re: wand construction :)
HeyMatthew
105
Jan 31, 2018
KavikThis is awesome.
Kavik
5531
Jan 31, 2018
HeyMatthewThank you sir :) Super comfortable to use, and the large head works great for hitting stenciled areas pretty evenly. The curve was intended to help follow the contour of a hole ground blade... Though, realistically, it was a bit of a waste as a couple layers of cotton, or sponge, is enough to follow the curve
Bflying
1105
Jan 31, 2018
KavikThat is very cool. Much more sophisticated than my piece of cloth shoved into a clip. :)
Kavik
5531
Jan 31, 2018
BflyingLol both do the job. I just happened to have all the tools and materials on hand already to make that, aside from the threaded rod
TomKau
15
Jan 31, 2018
BflyingThat Crux is a work of art!
BarryOI don’t know how you feel about your first comment about the gray clip now, but I have a weird kind of personal reflection that came up from reading the energy behind your post. I’m trying to think back to the last time I got so excited, positive or negative, about a product. I think, maybe, the Creative X7 when that first released (was still gaming daily back then), more recently the Massdrop x Lumintop collaboration brass light (sadly lost that), SNES classic... I wish I let myself get excited more often.
I mean, I’d rather have huge expectations and then be even more pleased upon Arrival, but that’s even more rare.
I want this knife, but it doesn’t really do Something my Dragonfly 2 doesn’t for me already. Just kind of want one, haha. It’s cool that it comes from a new-ish small operation, and a manufacturer I haven’t tried before! I actually am pleased how people are commenting that the knife is smaller than they expect, my wife keeps me from going on forest/jungle expeditions because she can’t go with me for various reasons. My jungle is the suburb, lol, but I always have a dedicated knife and SAK with me!
Bflying
1105
Jan 31, 2018
TomKauThank you. 👊🏻👊🏻
Here's a couple pics for size reference. The Gent is thinner and lighter than the Falcon. But almost the same length. In fact the Gent is a hair longer closed. And the Gent has about 1/2" more cutting edge than the Falcon. But the forward choil is not very usable for anything but very tiny Fingers.

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BarryO
159
Jan 31, 2018
BflyingWow, Wow, Wow, fantastic looking knives! Amazing how beautiful a job you did....!
BarryO
159
Jan 31, 2018
EvshrugHey u r doing just fine. You are right, when I looked back at how upset I was , I couldn't believe it......If you hadn't said that I really didn't realize what i sounded like....I probably need a valium, no two....
BarryOHeh, not now you don’t. If you hadn’t brought up the clip color, I would’ve missed some great tips on anodizing.
Don’t mind me, just going through a little ennui. Just left a retail job (kinda forced to) after almost 5 years (was looking for something else anyway), at about the same time my wife starts a new full-time job in a week or so. I need a job where it doesn’t matter if I’m 1 minute late 3 times a month, and where #1 in results is rewarded. It all balances out I guess, but just feeling a little ”gray” myself. Maybe an attempt at anodizing some Titanium (now that I have time) will add a little “color” back to my mood ;)
BarryO
159
Feb 1, 2018
EvshrugSorry to hear, I honestly felt your kind of grey mood the way you explained yourself. Retail is not for me either, at least not working for someone else. Go make some cool relaxing colors and get out of that place your in....
Bflying
1105
Feb 2, 2018
KavikI finally had some time to do a gradient/fade. Needed a little color on the Gent that just landed. I put a few finished pics over on the Gent discussion.
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-ferrum-forge-gent-s35vn-pocket-knife/talk/1956627
Started out with a yellowish green that I have used before, right around 50 volts on my machine. Then increased the power a couple times, and dipping up to about 2/3-3/4 of the slabs. With each increase in power , I'd dip less. Keeping the piece in motion with varried stop points. Finishing at about 99 volts with a yield of a darker green.

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Kavik
5531
Feb 3, 2018
BflyingVery nice work on that one, nice smooth transition Did some more research on this whole thing, stumbled across your thread on blade forums :) And also saw someone talking about getting those blends by slowly pulling out of the bath WHILE smoothly cranking up the voltage dial, now that's some coordination lol
I've got everything I need to get started at this point... Just need to finish making up my mind on the design I want, then find the time to do it. Did I mention I also have a vinyl cutter? Rolling around a few ideas involving masking, but both the cutter and the power supply are currently at a friend's shop, so need to coordinate the timing too..... But hope to have something to share soon!
Bflying
1105
Feb 3, 2018
KavikNice. Wish I had access to a vinyl cutter. That would make a big jump to next level. Did you see that Bali on the second page of my BF thread? Pretty amazing for a hand masked design. You better get started with some eye candy pictures. I've pretty much reached the end of my abilities. Looking forward to see what you come up with.
I wondered how some of those crazy intricate multi colored designs happened. Even with a mask, some look too well blended to comprehend. Do you think some of the dealer's doing the very complex stuff are using some form of laser to ano?
Kavik
5531
Feb 3, 2018
BflyingGonna have to wait a little longer...forgot I'm still waiting on gloves to be delivered (what i have in mind might involve the higher level of the spectrum and use of the wand, not just bath dipping), and my dad is just getting out of the hospital, so busy times here
I did see the Bali, that thing was ridiculous!!
I wouldn't even have a guess on the laser idea. My thought is some of it involves brush work, a little dryer, and going slow to let the colors radiate and blend into eachother, for the splash type patterns. Super fine detailed stuff with crisp edges is probably done with photo resist or toner transfer from printed images
But those are totally just guesses from things I've seen and read. Have a bunch of stuff saved that I'm going to try to figure out in time
I'll try to remember to post a thread over on the forum to put it all in one place (since I'll be doing knives from 3 separate drops) and will link you to it when it's up :)
Bflying
1105
Feb 4, 2018
KavikLooking forward to see what you come up with. I totally understand the "life gets in the way" concept. Sometimes I drop off the map for months.
If you use Instagram at all, check out the work of "bladeswelove". I often browse his pics for inspiration. Sometimes they will get my mind all psych'd for some complex design for one of my knives, only to be overwhelmed and end up with a single color. ;)
Kavik
5531
Feb 4, 2018
BflyingDamn, that's some at inspiring (and somewhat intimidating) work! Actually saw a couple there that were similar to one of the designs I had in mind, thought it was an original idea lol