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Cyphre
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May 11, 2018
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Wow, all these TUKK comments give me that nostalgic feeling like I'm back in the mechanical keyboard community whenever a new artisan shows up. Always someone out there who thinks they own a concept that isn't even new or original to begin with!
Cyphre
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May 11, 2018
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You didn't invent utility knives, nor the #11 blade. You say this as if the only time a #11 was ever used was the classic X-acto pen holders and there was never another form factor. Are you going to claim the same with your TUKK XL, despite how long those type of 'EDC utility knives' have been around?
chathamharrison
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May 11, 2018
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Do you have, or have you sought a patent on any of the elements of your design?
chathamharrison
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May 11, 2018
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Then you have my sympathy, and I hope this affair does not hurt your business. However, I do not think what you are dealing with here is a rip-off, but a competitor. This is the Camaro to your Mustang. Good luck.
Cyphre
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May 11, 2018
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Form and function? So you're saying your concept of a keychain sized utility knife (which has been done) with a sliding blade (which existed before I was born) is original only to you, and anyone making a keychain utility knife is copying you?
It honestly didn't take me long to find similar concepts from years ago, many equally less available to the public due to cost and scarcity: https://www.itstactical.com/warcom/knives/why-are-you-using-a-defensive-knife-to-open-boxes/ You can say your concept (of the TUKK XL, referencing the link) is original all you like, but it's just another variation on pre-existing concepts.
To put it differently, you would never be able to meaningfully patent what you have made, outside the generic, rectangular shape of it. And nothing about the design in this drop would infringe on such patents. Although the more I'm reading, it sounds like you're only here because you're butthurt about whatever deal you tried to make and failed at.
It honestly didn't take me long to find similar concepts from years ago, many equally less available to the public due to cost and scarcity: https://www.itstactical.com/warcom/knives/why-are-you-using-a-defensive-knife-to-open-boxes/ You can say your concept (of the TUKK XL, referencing the link) is original all you like, but it's just another variation on pre-existing concepts.
To put it differently, you would never be able to meaningfully patent what you have made, outside the generic, rectangular shape of it. And nothing about the design in this drop would infringe on such patents. Although the more I'm reading, it sounds like you're only here because you're butthurt about whatever deal you tried to make and failed at.
Cyphre
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May 11, 2018
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Oh I understand plenty of what is involved, as my trade has always been a machinist, and my degree is in manufacturing; a trade I've been a part of for a good 15 years now.
Sadly morals play no role in the open, capitalist market, nor should it ever impact a potentially competitive market.
Seriously, you do you. It's great and all you make an American product, but your presence here isn't inspiring any confidence in me. Make a superior product, and be confident in what you've made, rather than calling out similar products as inferior copies.
Sadly morals play no role in the open, capitalist market, nor should it ever impact a potentially competitive market.
Seriously, you do you. It's great and all you make an American product, but your presence here isn't inspiring any confidence in me. Make a superior product, and be confident in what you've made, rather than calling out similar products as inferior copies.
chathamharrison
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May 11, 2018
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A different case, a different button, a different retention system. They are both retractable hobby knives, as both the Leatherman PST and the Gerber Multi-Plier were pliers-based multitools.
Here's a good example of what I mean:
Is the Moki Fish Owl
P.S. For what it's worth, I have no dog in this fight. I already backed the 3COIL Crane on Kickstarter, so my teeny pocket razor needs are quite satisfied. EDIT: Fixed image of Moki Fish Owl.
Here's a good example of what I mean:
Is the Moki Fish Owl
P.S. For what it's worth, I have no dog in this fight. I already backed the 3COIL Crane on Kickstarter, so my teeny pocket razor needs are quite satisfied. EDIT: Fixed image of Moki Fish Owl.
Cyphre
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May 11, 2018
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I have a variety of products, working for a large global manufacturing company with a slew of patents. None of which are as simple as a device that slides back and forth inside a metal enclosure. Funny enough, most of my products (which are made in the U.S.) are sold directly to China in the electronics sector.
I get that you feel slighted by the presence of similar products, but it has never been the fault of an industry, only the incorrect assumption that having a great idea, no matter how simple, will lead to success. The only way you beat competition is having a superior product... or spending a superior amount on marketing. Patents are the only separating factor involved, and if someone is able to make a similar product without infringing on that patent, then your concept wasn't original or complex enough. No one is entitled to exclusive manufacturing rights to products outside a patent, and patents don't protect basic concepts that are easily duplicated.
I get that you feel slighted by the presence of similar products, but it has never been the fault of an industry, only the incorrect assumption that having a great idea, no matter how simple, will lead to success. The only way you beat competition is having a superior product... or spending a superior amount on marketing. Patents are the only separating factor involved, and if someone is able to make a similar product without infringing on that patent, then your concept wasn't original or complex enough. No one is entitled to exclusive manufacturing rights to products outside a patent, and patents don't protect basic concepts that are easily duplicated.
chathamharrison
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May 11, 2018
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That is not uncommon. The Wright brothers held their Flyer secret from the world of aeronautics for years, to the point that in 1906 they were having to produce testimonials from witnesses that their aircraft worked at all. The Wrights were rightly concerned that their designs, which were years ahead of anyone else, would be imitated, and their advantage -- and the opportunity for profit it represented -- would disappear. Therefore, they refused to demonstrate their aircraft without assurances of a production contract if their demonstrator met their buyer's standards.
This approach did not bring them much success, for all their acclaim; at Orville's death, the Wright estate was only worth one or two million dollars. The free market can be an ugly business.
This approach did not bring them much success, for all their acclaim; at Orville's death, the Wright estate was only worth one or two million dollars. The free market can be an ugly business.
Omniseed
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May 12, 2018
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Then how come the other Kickstarter utility knife dropped a month ahead of your initial TUKK offering?
Omniseed
1972
May 12, 2018
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chathamharrisonGreat example, though both of those knives have obvious similarities in styling and build with traditional slipjoints like the Sodbuster. I think they're different enough in execution and similar enough to existing generic patterns that their coexistence is only natural.
bambam67
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May 14, 2018
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chathamharrisonwhy when he has massdrop and other edc forums to propgandise...
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