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HammerHand
203
May 12, 2018
[moderated]
DRaGZ
305
May 12, 2018
HammerHandClassy...
FSEChang
46
May 12, 2018
HammerHandWow...How Racist....
YanDoroshenko
175
May 12, 2018
FSEChangWhich one is a race, China or Ferrum Forge?
bradr
963
May 12, 2018
HammerHandFeel free to criticize Massdrop, FF, the product, or manufacturing choices (including partner or location) here or anywhere on Massdrop in a productive and appropriate way. That said, you are not allowed to do so in a hateful, attacking, harmful, or racist way on Massdrop. This was moderated for the latter as it is against our ToS and does not belong in this community.
YanDoroshenko
175
May 13, 2018
bradrMan, what the hell you're talking about? Is Ferrum Forge or China a race? Would you react the same if it said "manufacturer" instead of "China"? Where was the attack, hate or harm? Are you going to delete anecdotes too? You should really stop this stuff as it benefits no one. As far as I understand it, Massdrop is about the community. And you can never benefit community by taking away free speach.
Kavik
5531
May 13, 2018
YanDoroshenkoUmmm, his response was to HammerHand, not you. Just showed up below yours due to the timestamp.
And to answer your earlier question, since I'm now thinking it wasn't rhetorical or sarcastic, Chinese was the "race" in the aforementioned racism.
YanDoroshenko
175
May 13, 2018
KavikWell congratulations, you've shown your complete ignorance on the matter. Let me educate you a bit. Starting with what actually happened versus what you want to see. He didn't say "Chinese". He said "China". China is a country and not a race. Therefore term "racism" is completely inapplicable here. Second. Even if he said "chinese", chinese is not a race either. There are three major races - Caucasian (white). Mongoloid (asian) and Negroid (black). As you see, there is no "chinese" in the list. And third. Definition of racism. Racism is a concept of treating someone merely based on their race. For example, seeing a black guy and telling him you wish you had a hose as long as his is racism - you didn't check his pants before assuming he has an anaconda there just based on the color of his skin. While what happened here is the guy took the subjective perception of the item, combined it with the publicly available facts (that it's made in China which is not a race) and built a tongue-in-cheek story of its origin, based on miscommunication.
PLEASE check the meaning of the terms you're using. Most of them have a pretty strict definition and by applying them to random things you're trivializing them. And trivializing racism is not good.
Kavik
5531
May 13, 2018
YanDoroshenko🙄 And sometimes nitpicking technical definitions to get around the spirit of a term is not good either. You know who tends to do that sort of thing? Lol
You know damn well what was meant in both posts. But I guess by your logic all bigoted "jokes" that stereotype anyone other then white, black, or hispanic, it's all good, huh?
I used the term that was already being used in the conversation. It you prefer bigot or xenophobe we can use those words instead, but it's after 4am and frankly I'm too tired to care if some random dude online doesn't think I'm using proper vocabulary to try to help him out by pointing out that he was mistaken when he read a tagged response wrong and got butt hurt over something that wasn't even directed at him.
DRaGZ
305
May 13, 2018
YanDoroshenkoYou're doing some major mental semantics gymnastics to try to make your extremely ignorant point. Lol.
Kavik
5531
May 13, 2018
DRaGZI had written out a much longer response..... But yeah, semantic gymnastics covers it pretty well lol Thank you
HammerHand
203
May 13, 2018
bradrThat is ridiculous, there was no Racism or hate speech anywhere in my post. That was a joke About the fictional consequences of miss-communicaction between an English speaking person and a non English speaking person. There is no racisist conotation to referencing the fact that speakers of Asiatic languages have trouble pronouncing the letter "T". If I had poked fun at English speakers trying to learn Spanish spitting down the fronts of their shirts while trying to roll their r's would that be racist? If my post evoked images in Your mind that are demeaning to the people of China then perhaps You are Projecting your own Racism onto me? Perhaps it is You who are the Racist?
HammerHand
203
May 13, 2018
YanDoroshenkoThank you for paying attention! The "moderator" is apparently some kid who doesn't even understand the meaning of "Racism" . I guess we're soon going to have to outlaw humor because someone or something is always the butt of the joke in order for it to be Funny! I'd be interested to see if someone can come up with a joke that doesn't somehow "offend" a few people or make them feel "marginalized".
HammerHand
203
May 13, 2018
Kavik My joke was a pun on language, not race. The only stereotype I evoked was that of capitalism. Where exactly was the Deregatory stereotype? In my words or in the minds of those who hear them? Seriously, anyone who wants to jump on the #Racism bandwagon should take some time and give some real thought to the issue of what Racism really is. Or is not. Racism is a bad thing. The division in our society being created by false flag Racism is even worse!
Kavik
5531
May 13, 2018
HammerHand*shrugs* I didn't call it out, was just answering what I felt was a dumb question by another member. I honestly didn't even think it was the worst of what I've seen around here for xenophobic remarks
But, since you asked.... I didn't read what you wrote as having to do with a language barrier so much as being eager to mass produce anything offered without giving a second thought to where it comes from or if it infringes on any other products. And also the numbers you quoted and the turn around time strongly hinted at the "mass produced made in China garbage product" mentality so many around here have.
Obviously I wasn't the only one who read it differently then you apparently meant it, so perhaps it was a problem with your delivery. But either way, no, the racism is definitely not in my head. That's not who I am.
HammerHand
203
May 13, 2018
KavikIt's cool. I definitly was making a statement about cheap mass production and copying products, and I was playing off of language barrier in an attempt to create humor. Didn't think it was a big deal but then somebody who didn't like what I was saying played the Racist card! So at this point I'm trying to get people to think about what Racism really is. If we as a culture are going to fight against Racism we must first understand it. I wonder if many people ever consider how using claims of "Racism" to simply shut out another persons point of view is actually counterproductive to eliminating Racism from our culture?
Kavik
5531
May 13, 2018
HammerHandAnd I think that's a reasonable thing, to get people to think what it really is. But by that I mean what it really MEANS, not by how a dictionary describes it.
Whereas I feel Yan's response came across more as nitpicking definitions to find a way to make stereotyping and bigotry ACCEPTABLE because of a technicality of someone using the words race/racism rather than nationality/xenophobia.
Like, in his eyes, nazis weren't really being racist to Jews because Jewish isn't a race by his by the books definition. "All Muslims are terrorists" isn't racist because Muslim isn't a race. "Made in China, must be crap" isn't racist because China isn't a race. (or, even more absurdly, he even pointed out you never specifically said "Chinese", even though you had an individual representing China in the made up conversation.....really? We're not even supposed to assume in that circumstance that that implied it was a Chinese person taking? Give me a freaking break on the semantics!)
A reasonable person could interpret the spirit of the term and not get all holier than thou about their knowledge on the details of the subject. And a reasonable person wouldn't make themselves look like an ass backpeddling and searching for loopholes after laughing at a racist joke and looking for an out. (again, him, not you) I've dealt with enough people in my life who only know how to argue by twisting technicalities or trying to make a conversation so muddled with details that the other person feels in over their head and either gives in, or doesn't realize the argument has shifted so far away from it's original point that we forget what we were appalled by in the first place. It's a common method used by people with more book smarts than morals.
In short, I was much more offended by his method of defending your post on a technicality than I was by the original post itself
bambam67
334
May 14, 2018
YanDoroshenkothat fact you refer to this forum regarding FREE speech ..a SITE that is owned by an independent company. a forum where you are here voluntarily and not being charged a thing. shows how ignorant and out of touch you are...don't like them moderating THEIR OWN FORUM? then leave... and go try to find somewhere else to play where they DONT moderate their own sites.try face book or twitter...oh wait.....good luck. chuck.
bambam67
334
May 14, 2018
YanDoroshenkoplease educate yourself on what is applicable and what isn't when NUMEROUS things are listed. ( 1:hateful, 2:attacking, 3:harmful, OR 4:racist way) your attempts at pseudo intellectualism and thinking we give a flying monkey turd what YOU think shows your arrogance ( and ignorance )... take your grammar/ spelling/ definitions/ cultural instruction (APPLY whichever you " think" MATTERS) where there might be someone that actually wants it. but good job taking the time to ladle it all over this forum you must have lots of it, .
bambam67
334
May 14, 2018
Kavikbigoted....better word. a racist is a bigot...but a bigot may not necessarily be a racist... but yan and hammerhead are definitely self involved buttholes.
bambam67
334
May 14, 2018
HammerHandi guess one could start by not using BIGOTED comments in an attempt to be funny . stereotyping a culture isn't racist...but it is ignorant and bigoted... and choosing to attack a moderators actions where 4 DIFFERENT EXAMPLES were given and ASSUMING that one out of the four was the reason. is also IGNORANT...practice what you preach, but please TROLL on i see you have a lot of free time.. use it how you choose.
bambam67
334
May 14, 2018
HammerHandand you dont understand that when 4 different reasons are given CHOOSING one and whining about it shows how BAITING you are.. i guess the other three , where dismissed because? oh yeah you were already WAITING for the race card to be played...now WHY would that be?...who is baiting ?> look in the mirror numb nuts.
bambam67
334
May 14, 2018
HammerHandthinking your own spew is HUMOROUS, appreciated or warranted., is what should be outlawed. but then that would be outlawing trolling..which you do seem to be good at. cheers.
bambam67
334
May 14, 2018
HammerHandwhy is it you CHOSE racism , out of the four reasons given in his post? (hateful, attacking, harmful, or racist way )WHO is projecting ? perhaps its you that are the troll and baiting and EXPECTING a certain response.? ... troll on douche.
HammerHand
203
May 14, 2018
bambam67Well, you dumb-ass, I "chose" Racism because the moderator states that my post was moderated for the "latter" of the four reasons he listed.
Kavik
5531
May 14, 2018
bambam67Can we maybe just move past this now?
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bambam67
334
May 14, 2018
HammerHandi guess your reading comprehension is as bad as your need for attention...DUMB-ASS.. the "LATTER" as in "Feel free to criticize Massdrop, FF, the product, or manufacturing choices (including partner or location) here or anywhere on Massdrop in a productive and appropriate way." ...FORMER....."That said, you are not allowed to do so in a hateful, attacking, harmful, or racist way on Massdrop." ....LATTER......"This was moderated for the latter as it is against our ToS and does not belong in this community." ...let me know when you have gone back to school and learned how to diagram a sentence, and recognize how punctuation is used. it's called sentence structure....nice try..but you get an F....on EVERYTHING...DUMBASS. cheers
bambam67
334
May 14, 2018
Kavik"WE"?
Kavik
5531
May 14, 2018
bambam67LMAO unintentional.
FSEChang
46
May 15, 2018
KavikAs the ember of all of this I just want to say "You People..." **slaps forehead**
Kavik
5531
May 15, 2018
bambam67
334
May 16, 2018
FSEChangpretty self involved arent cha...? the EMBER was the person that had their comments moderated then began whining about it... you just jumped in and whined about it. sorry to burst your bubble. that is unless you ARE hammerhand and have multiple accounts so you can troll?
FSEChang
46
May 16, 2018
bambam67Geez. Just let it go Man! ...You're like a George Costanza... Just let it go. It's not even a thing anymore. And stop trying to make it another thing. People said their piece/peace... Move on. Breathe. Go live life. People suck. Period. **heart**
bambam67
334
May 16, 2018
FSEChang"geez just let it go man" and yet here you are still replying... take your own advice schmuck... but then.....nm.... not worth it, your comment says it all... over it.
FSEChang
46
May 16, 2018
bambam67Waaaaaaaahhhhh... And yes I just HAD to get the last word in... Petty person I am. And if you reply I WILL reply again to, yes, get the last word in... I have no shame. This is fun! You are fun.. Like a puppet.
bambam67
334
May 16, 2018
FSEChangROFL LAST WORD!!!
FSEChang
46
May 16, 2018
bambam67Nope! THIS IS THE FINAL WORD! I forgot ask... Do you wanna be BFFs? I'm your biggest fan. And appreciate your sentence structures and word usage...You're very learn-ned.
bambam67
334
May 16, 2018
FSEChanglearned not..but understandable for social media... i think little DICK doesn't get what its bout..i am sure he UNDERSTANDS everything i said...and cries about it...poor lil guy... so sad. LAST WORD!!
FSEChang
46
May 16, 2018
bambam67I think you're deviating... Going on a tangent even... And you didn't answer my question... BFFs?
I do give a BIG thumbs down for the use of profanity tho... I would appreciate the use of the name "RICHARD" I would have still understood. I'm not even going to say FINAL WORD... damn but I just did!... Bc we know it won't be....
bambam67
334
May 16, 2018
FSEChangforever! ill dream about you! dick is short for richard...or BIT or whatever...your dirty mind just saw it that way....or maybe not... well whatever.
FSEChang
46
May 16, 2018
bambam67Yes I prefer to be the longer dick... I'm ad you picked up on that. Actually I was hoping that you would so as to not let me down bc I hold you in high mental regards! Sentence structures and all.. Keep taking dirty to me..Make it hurt so good...
Too much? I make me laugh!
bambam67
334
May 18, 2018
FSEChanger. ok..but if i see any silhouettes in my bathroom windows im pulling the plug.
FSEChang
46
May 19, 2018
bambam67Haha! No worries.... I'm seriously too lazy to stalk anyone.... I'd rather call and ask them where they are or just request updates... Lol!
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