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Scott178
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Jan 7, 2018
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I bought and sold mine almost immediately. They were so boosted from mid bass down that they were boomy to me. Plus the cable was so long, heavy, and annoying. I lost $150 on this deal. I even bought pads before I decided to sell mine, so now am stuck with those. I emailed Dekoni, but they ignored me.
Jan 7, 2018
ElectronicVices
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Jan 8, 2018
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Scott178Can I ask if you broke them in at all... I've noticed the bass notes on bio-cellulose drivers benefit more than others with a significant break in period. For an elevated bass headphone the X00 really maintains it's composure, the bass isn't planar tight/firm but beats the hell out of most dynamics I've listened to/owned.
Jan 8, 2018
Scott178
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Jan 9, 2018
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ElectronicVicesProbably 5 hours honestly. I probably should have stuck with them a bit longer.
Jan 9, 2018
amoeba1126
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Jan 9, 2018
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Scott178Actual burn-in aside, it takes time the following to happen: - Your ears to adjust to the new sound - Pads to soften and break in to your ears
5 hours is definitely not enough time to get used to any pair of headphones IMO. While you can get an idea of the overall sound signature, depending on which headphones you are coming from, the differences can be initially jarring. For example, coming from AKG K701 (thin, bright, and anemic on bass) to the TH-X00 would make the bass on the TH-X00 sound extremely booming.
As far the cable goes, honestly you should have expected that. There is no shortage of reviews on the TH-X00 and every single one mentions how long and fat and heavy the cable is. However, there are ways to deal with it: - Velcro wrap for cable management - Detachable cable mod (which opens up your headphones for custom cables) - Shortening and re-termination of existing attached cable
Lastly, it is NEVER a good idea to buy accessories for a pair of headphones you have never listened to. Always listen to headphones stock first to figure out what you like or dislike before spending more money on tweaks and upgrades. It's just smarter and more cost effective that way TBH.
Jan 9, 2018
Uzuzu
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Jan 10, 2018
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amoeba1126You should trust your gut when it comes to headphone judging. You don't need an extended period of time to judge them, not at all. I believe in break-in to an extent, but most headphones don't change post break-in or not enough to change their true characteristics.
If any one aspect of the headphone bothers you, be it lack of bass, too much bass, mids, highs, etc... than it is going to likely continue to bother you until you get rid of them, unless your tastes change.
The reason I'm not the biggest fan of the Th-x00 line is their mid-range. It just doesn't sound good. To me. Teaks were the closest to bearable but I just cannot agree with the driver no matter how it's modified. And that's okay, there's a ton of other headphones out there.
But don't let someone tell you you cannot judge a headphone in under 5 hours. The headphone isn't going to change it's sound signature magically, and pad break-in is so marginal the only difference there is is in comfort if there is any sound change at all (there isn't). Changing pads themselves will of course alter the sound signature, but always at some kind of cost. More bass? less soundstage. More mids? less extension (top and bottom) Those are just examples, but ultimately you cannot escape the way the driver "truly" sounds.
Hope you find the headphone that is your match though. Don't worry about $ too, my favorite headphones are less than 300 dollars and I've listened to ToTL endgame, it wasn't for me.
Jan 10, 2018
amoeba1126
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Jan 10, 2018
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UzuzuBoth opinions and first impressions change. While a brief audition can tell you the general characteristics of a headphone, it is still a shallow one. That initial impression also wildly changes when you go from one headphones to another, one song to another, on DAC to another, and so on. Now can you make an educated guess based on your preference of sound and how a headphone initially sounds? Absolutely, but that is a completely different statement than whether you can judge headphones based on a paltry 5 hours of auditioning IMO.
Then again, this is also why different opinions exist and no one should listen to just one person.
Jan 10, 2018
Uzuzu
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Jan 10, 2018
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amoeba11265 hours is hardly paltry. What songs can you not play in 5 hours that will demo the unit effectively to you? If your opinions change than they change, but that isn't the headphone itself changing. If you know what you want and your opinions aren't going to change, you can judge a headphone immediately. And not a shallow judgement, either. Again though I think this depends on a person's experience. I found myself demoing for hours and across dozens of headphones and years later my tastes have sort of settled to the point where I know what sounds I like and what is impressive in a headphone for myself and I know I'm not likely to enjoy a headphone that falls outside of those tastes. It's all a journey, one that requires you to sacrifice your wallet to the audio gods.
Jan 10, 2018
amoeba1126
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Jan 11, 2018
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UzuzuAgain, I am not talking about demo'ing headphones, but allowing your auditory senses to adjust to your new headphones. Sound is basically pressure waves and the more you listen, the more your ears adapt to it and you start noticing the subtleties, such as layers in bass extension and midrange presence. These are things he may not notice after only 5 hours of listening, especially if he is coming off the HD6XX which have a full, lush midrange, less bass, and most importantly, an open design. Of course the midrange will seem recessed in comparison. Of course the bass is going to be almost overwhelmingly boomy at first. That's what happens when you go from a dark open headphones to W-shaped closed headphones. Human senses may not be as sharp as most animals, but we are still very sensitive to changes in our senses and when we receive any sort of stimulus shock (which is what coming from HD6XX to TH-X00 is), the differences are going to be a lot more exaggerated/overwhelming.
Now, you can formulate solid opinions based off what you want and not want, I completely agree. If I am the type to favor the AKG K701 or Sennheiser HD800 for example, I would most likely detest the TH-X00 as they are such different sound signatures. It could very well be the case here with the OP being in love with the very dark, treble rolled sound of the HD6XX and he just can't stand the much brighter treble range of the TH-X00 which initially can sound like they (along with the bass) drown out the midrange. The difference is however, he was not simply demo'ing them at some headphone meet, but actually owned them and would have done well to properly spend time listening to them long enough to let his ears adjust to the new midrange and increase of bass presence. 5 hour experimentation with headphones that you PURCHASED and then gave up on is a knee jerk reaction, plain and simple.
I am fairly experienced in audio equipment and headphones and I can assure you that after listening to any high end headphones, I will have differences in my evaluation of how they sound versus how they sounded when I first got them.
Jan 11, 2018
Uzuzu
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Jan 11, 2018
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amoeba1126Going from a dark to bright, or hollow mid to lush mid headphone has zero relevance when it comes to understanding/liking a headphone for how it sounds. The mids aren't going to sound any more pronounced on a U shaped headphone after coming from say the hd6xx if you give it more time to listen. They're going to sound the same. You may get used to them more, but they're still going to SOUND the same. And what initially bugs you will bug you even after you adjust to a new headphone. Speaking of which, takes far less than 5 hours. Maybe a good solid hour or even two hours... but 5 hours is a lot of time. The brain doesn't take that long to get settled into a new signature. You having differences in your pre and post evaluation of the headphone though are completely due to the fact that you grew complacent with the change in sound headphone to headphone, even with initially not liking it, therefore changing your tastes. I do fluctuate between wanting a reference, vs a slightly warm sound but my tastes never go outside of that as they are now for quite some time.
I would also say I'm fairly experienced in audio equipment. I listened to several in the th-x00 series and even with a couple hundred hours on one, even when I got 'used' to it the lack of midrange still bugged me from time to time, like a nag. So I'm not arguing with you, you can get used to a headphone and in doing so change your own tastes, but the headphone's sound itself doesn't change. So if you don't like it even in an initial impression, say 30 minutes... well believe me it's unlikely you'll ever like it, or it will sit outside of your rotation (I know this from experience, and having 10+ headphones in rotation). It'll never make you happy. I've demoed these cans for hundreds of hours each, easily.
Rather get the headphone that impresses immediately, because when you get 'used' to its sound you're going to love every second of it. It's never going to become boring to you, when you finally start nit-picking it. Funny that those headphones I initially loved are still in my rotation while I sold all the others. The ones I did love were the dt1990 (I got amirons though, liked 'em more), k712 pro, and the hd650). And they're companions until they break now.
Jan 11, 2018
Uzuzu
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Jan 11, 2018
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Scott178On the bright side Scott those x00 pads you bought for the Dekonis do fit a lot of other headphones, including some vintage Sennheisers. I've had good results with them.
Jan 11, 2018
randomguy1234567890
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Jan 18, 2018
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UzuzuWhat kind of music? Lacking midrange might be less of an issue for me with listing to EDM, etc.
Jan 18, 2018
ridhuankim
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Jan 18, 2018
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UzuzuYou said all the things I wanted to say. Wow happens instantly. If it did not happen the moment you put on these cans then these are not for you. They were not for me either...
Jan 18, 2018
ElectronicVices
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Jan 19, 2018
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randomguy1234567890I think the X00 suits EDM quite well... it's not that the mids are completely recessed its more that this headphone is a bit W-shaped in it's frequency response. That can create some oddities on some tracks (Bump at 30hz, 1khz, 10khz with dips at 600 hz and 5.5khz for Mahogany). This is not a neutral can and will definitely be preference dependent. I agree that you will get a general feel for the headphone in the first 5 hours, no major changes will be noticed after that. I also don't use the term burn-in unless I am talking about tubes. With the excursion possible from this driver and the material used (bio-cellulose.. essentially paper "grown" over a form in a lab) I thought the bass tightened significantly over the first ten hours. If a headphone is "pretty-good" upon initial listen it may or may not improve a tad with time, if you first impulse is WTF is this!... time to put it up for sale or return.
Edit: I noticed very similar behavior in my other headphones that also utilize a bio-cellulose driver.
Jan 19, 2018
Assimilator702
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Feb 4, 2018
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Scott178You should face given them 40 hours min. I'm cooking a set of TH-X00 Mahogany at around the 30 hour mark right now waiting for some HM5 sheepskins. I do notice the treble has smoothed out a bit. Any newly manufactured driver needs to be worked.
Feb 4, 2018
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