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Hi,
I wanted to give a quick update to everyone. We’re extending this drop to the 28th of June to give more people a chance to join this drop. All orders will still be a part of the first production run and will be serialized. This extension won’t have an impact on the shipping time.
Jedi
881
May 31, 2017
kunalkumarBossman, would you please sticky this to the top of the drop?
JediDoing it :)
TragestyX
185
May 31, 2017
kunalkumarFuck yeah!
No, those will be collected today/tomorrow.
Edit: phrasing
Elrick
2105
May 31, 2017
kunalkumarRight, so we the ones who have paid up first still need to wait for this Group Buy extension to finish now, before this order is sent off?
Just wanting some clarification here because this is the FIRST Group Buy I have been in, that is still going but shall already collect my money up first, without first notifying me about this situation.
If you bothered to apply the 29 day extension in the beginning, then we all would be better for it instead of this slight of hand gimmick. You have certainly taken away my respect for you MassDrop in playing this type of game onto people who believed this deal was going to happen straight away.
Cotay
224
May 31, 2017
kunalkumarI really wish this information had been more prominently displayed since I had a choice to either order this or GMK Yuri. I chose to order this, but had I known about the extension i would have jumped on GMK Yuri and then ordered the K-Type at the end of next month. So will payments for those who joined the drop before the original deadline be held until the end of June?
ElrickNo, the first order will be placed immediately.
TragestyX
185
May 31, 2017
kunalkumarYeah. Terrible phrasing haha. So now I'll have the payment unfulfilled then and I'll just rejoin the drop. Nice to get serialized anyway I guess.
CotayIf you joined before the extension, you will have the payment collected today/tomorrow as we are placing the order right away so the production process can begin. Otherwise, you will be charged end of June when the drop ends.
Hope this helps.
XenoPingu
132
May 31, 2017
kunalkumarSo does that mean the early birds will get their mechanical toy one month earlier than those who join in the next 28 days?
XenoPinguThe production timeline will remain the same.
Cotay
224
May 31, 2017
kunalkumarI'm in, but feeling a bit bummed since I really wanted to get both this and Yuri. Finances this month didn't allow me to get both since we have been hit with some medical bills for my daughter. Oh well, some other GMK caps will come along before November. :-)
Elrick
2105
May 31, 2017
kunalkumarThat is why YOU need to have offered the 29 day Group Buy FIRST.
Would of collected more orders plus given people more time to save up for this unique keyboard.
Don't do this EVER again MassDrop.
Elrick
2105
May 31, 2017
CotayI still put some money into the GMK Yuri set, simply because this set won't be here again.
If THEY (MassDrop) bothered to clearly say that the K-Type keyboard was on a 29 day Group Buy offer then I would of bought much more GMK Yuri's.
This error on MassDrop's part will not be forgiven by me anytime soon, they will feel my wraith from now on within this section, so they never do this type of idiotic deal again.
TragestyX
185
May 31, 2017
CotayI feel exactly the same.
Shemyaza
4
May 31, 2017
kunalkumarThis is my first group buy. So, what is serialized?
Elrick
2105
May 31, 2017
ShemyazaThe first Group Buy which was run already, I think the first 500 to 600 buyers get special 'serialized' cases on their keyboard's denoting something 'special'.
Just what I heard, but that's only for those that want to be the very first buyers of this product.
ShemyazaThe keyboard will be serialized.
Shemyaza
4
May 31, 2017
kunalkumarAwesome!
ElrickElrick, we’d have communicated the extension for the K-Type had we known sooner and there are a few reasons about why the extension took place in this form.
1. The original drop was scheduled as it was so that we can lock up a slot in the production line. Otherwise, the November ship date would be not possible. 2. We received new samples recently which have shown greater progression and we will be taking new pictures and sharing with everyone. This allows us to let the community add more orders without impacting the ship date. 3. There was a lot of communication from the community wanting an extension for this drop.
I hope this helps clarify the situation. I am also seeing what I can do for everyone who had to cancel their Yuri orders or make a sacrifice. Maybe, I can pull something off, but you will have to give me till tomorrow morning to get back to you.
Varholiaglimp
939
May 31, 2017
kunalkumarFor everyone who wanted to buy more GMK Yuri sets, there's probably a MD member like me who had to leave this drop because my finances for the month got depleted. Because of the drop's extension, I'll be able to use extra money from next week's business deal to buy this keyboard. For the month of May, I had to adjust my budget for blinds, a new bedframe and work done on my car.
You might be angry about having to miss those keycaps, but someone else might be thrilled they can suddenly afford this board.
Elrick
2105
May 31, 2017
kunalkumarI'm mostly pissed at ordering LESS GMK Yuri key-sets due to your re-run of K-Type.
Now I only wish You would do another GMK Yuri Group Buy on a 29 day extension so that I may buy MORE of them, you really didn't help promote the purchase of Yuri at all by also offering the K-Type at the same time period.
So please kunal, make this right, go for a 29 day group buy on the Yuri key-set........please, please and another please on top.
Xanzul
75
May 31, 2017
kunalkumarI love you. I was so sad that I wasn't quite where I needed to be $$ wise yet. This helps. Thank you!
ElrickI understand where you are coming from and I also understand what the community is feeling.
When it comes to keycap sets, we have a strict schedule because the whole year has already been allocated to different sets that the community has been asking for. Hence, it becomes difficult for us to extend them as we would like to give every keycap set its time in the limelight.
What I am trying to do is add or include community members into the drop that had to let go of the Yuri. This requires me to coordinate internally and as soon as I have an understanding, I will let you know.
Type-R
0
May 31, 2017
kunalkumarMy credit card was declined on the first pass. Does this mean I lost my slot in the serialization? I had a nice number... I was the #1111 Order and lost it. :(
Any way for you guys to charge me now so it doesn't get declined again?
amrta
94
May 31, 2017
kunalkumarThat's all we want to hear :) Good luck for the extended run!
Valium
73
May 31, 2017
Type-RCorrect it within a day and you keep the same order.
Valium
73
May 31, 2017
ElrickWhy it won't be here again in the future?
Elrick
2105
May 31, 2017
ValiumNot for this year or the next, due to many other GMK key-set designs coming down the order line.
Valium
73
May 31, 2017
ElrickYeah but sometime in the future it will come back just like SA Carbon is doing today, I was worried for a second.
Elrick
2105
May 31, 2017
ValiumBut again, the Yuri Set won't see the light of day again for another two years or more.
Just feel sorry for those that missed out here because it won't be offered any time soon here on MD.
Valium
73
May 31, 2017
ElrickBetter than never. But still I'm on the same boat, with K-Type extension I would get it. :v But Carbon is also cool, so there's that.
TelFiRE
605
May 31, 2017
ElrickDude what is your issue? There is absolutely NO downside to the extension, it just gives more people a chance to get in.
TelFiRE
605
May 31, 2017
Type-R#1111 order number did not matter. doesn't line up with serialization.
Elrick
2105
May 31, 2017
TelFiREWhich should of also applied upon the GMK Yuri set as well.
There is no wrong with an extension sunshine, it just should be leveled at other Group Buys here making it more "Fair" and "Just", if that is what MassDrop wants to pursue.
If the K-Type was offered with a 29 day extension then it should of been highlighted earlier instead of after the deadline has passed. Would of meant dropping the K-Type order now and picking up MORE GMK Yuri's instead.
Annan
49
May 31, 2017
kunalkumarI find it hard to accept the specific rationale argued with respect of this extension given the simultaneous and assumedly not coincidental massive extensions to other Massrop x drops - rama works, fitsok, allen edmonds, etc, etc... Whether one is a fan or not of having more time to join a specific drop, it does put the lie to the current modus operandi of Massrop. Given the community ethos that underpins Massrop's business model, a greater level of transparency and proactive communication should be an extremely basic prerequisite. It seems that Massdrop x drop deadlines are simply made up on the fly. Personally I've no issue if Massdrop want to sell something indefinitely. Just don't create faux deadlines to maximise sales. It minimises trust.
BecauseRacecar
111
May 31, 2017
AnnanI agree. A quick discussion a day or so ago would have alleviated this outcry. I've no reason to be upset about it, but I understand the rationale of those who are, and this comment captures it perfectly.
TuxKey
456
May 31, 2017
kunalkumarand i got all stressed out yesterday in regards to wat switch is should get hahahaha..Wil try to convince other friends to get one.. but they all live in The Netherlands so it's a hard sell paying the extra 21% Plus 12% customs fees...hard really hard to swallow.
Hamel
64
May 31, 2017
kunalkumarWill be waiting for an update, having to sacrifice Yuri for K-Type was a real bummer
f-red
13
May 31, 2017
CotayThe ship date hasn't changed and they claim it won't... how does it affect you if more people are allowed to buy the board?
ateam311
7
May 31, 2017
ElrickI think you're missing the point of what happened. The first drop completed last night, we were charged money, and that order is getting sent off to begin. A second drop (the "extended" drop) doesn't impact the first group buy.
TheSkeleton
3134
May 31, 2017
ElrickIm pretty sure massdrop didnt know they would be doing this and it was a side thought, you are complaining about a problem that doesnt exist. They never intended to make the drop this long and decided to do it for anybody who wouldnt be able to get in on the drop. yeah it sucks you cant buy more GMK sets but at the end of the days its not the end of the world and massdrop didnt do this to screw you over they did it for the people who couldnt quite get in on the k-type with that time limit.
ateam311
7
May 31, 2017
kunalkumarI'm sure 5,000 people will point this out today, but the wording for this post is a bit off per one of your follow-up remarks. You completed the first drop, the first drop is off to be processed, and now there's a second drop.
In the future, I do think this kind of process needs to be better clarified on the drop page itself (e.g. giving the second drop a different title, adding bold text in the item description, and/or resetting the purchase counter). Otherwise, it creates unnecessary confusion and frustration... especially when we're talking about getting 2,500 keyboards manufactured between now and, well, the future.
Dukrous
187
May 31, 2017
ateam311Not to mention there's a kickstarter which needs to succeed to get those people their keyboards. Massdrop should be sending people there now that this drop has ended.
Necronomoticon
61
May 31, 2017
TelFiREIf you haven't noticed yet, about 20 to 40% of massdrop commenters are insanely whiny & petty.
gdoteof
103
May 31, 2017
ateam311But it's not really a different drop, is it? The same shipping time, the same order. They just wanted as much cash infusion as the beginning as possible. Which is fine, but it does make sense that people who were 'forced' to choose between ending drops might have done something different if they knew this would be extended indefinitely.
TuxKey
456
May 31, 2017
Dukrousi think they don't want to share the $$ with kickstart so that one is just for show.
TheSkeleton
3134
May 31, 2017
gdoteofit is different, think of this like the last one ending and a new one starting immediately. if you ordered before then your keyboard will begin manufacturing before this drop ends
TuxKey
456
May 31, 2017
gdoteofit's just an extension of a drop nothing more the clarification was obvious to me. only thing i find strange is that they get to say it's final for everyone that is in. if the drop is extended than everyone that entered DOES have the time to change his or her mind. That's seems only fair to me.
ArchCel
63
May 31, 2017
kunalkumar" 2. We received new samples recently which have shown greater progression and we will be taking new pictures and sharing with everyone. This allows us to let the community add more orders without impacting the ship date. "
Can you elaborate on this, as unless something in the producton isn't final i can't see how adding roughly a month of extra orders wouldn't impact the shipping date. as fewer items would be shipping faster, so is the original drop going to ship before this, or are you refering to the estimated shipping date? As you just eluded to production being faster than expected.
ChuckDee
1906
May 31, 2017
CotayYou might contact CS; they might be able to help you and get you on the Yuri drop. No guarantees, but you're likely to have more of a chance than just posting it here.
TheSkeleton
3134
May 31, 2017
TuxKeyLike I said the drop that people entered before is over and this is a new drop altogether
TheSkeleton
3134
May 31, 2017
ChuckDeeman we are great "moderators" amirite
RichardV
201
May 31, 2017
TheSkeletonThis "new" drop has the number of orders carried over from the "first" drop. So, how is this new other than the drop date ending 28 June?
whomad1215
755
May 31, 2017
CotayThere's always new stuff. I had an order placed for this, but cancelled it because I know in 6 months time there will be something else.
Also I don't even use the 2-3 boards I have. It's hard for me to justify a purchase when it's only "I want to have it just to have it"
emoji
145
May 31, 2017
kunalkumarThe RAMA WORKS S01 is in exactly the same situation, and the difference in response from the community is incredible. https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-rama-s01-remedy-spinner
I think it's great that Massdrop is allowing more people to join the drop. Thumbs up for that. Meanwhile people who already joined & paid get the same shipping date. Both thumbs way up.
But I would have to agree it's unfortunate that Massdrop uses the sense of urgency from the drop deadline to generate impulse/panic sales, and then restarts the deadline-urgency cycle to do it all over again. I wouldn't say it's wrong or unethical, but I would say it doesn't really fit. If this becomes a regular pattern, maybe just remove the deadline altogether.
Type-RYou should be getting an email soon asking you to update your payment method. Once you run this process, it should be fine. Otherwise, please contact our Community Support team at www.massdrop.com/support
TheSkeleton
3134
May 31, 2017
RichardVdid no one read what kunal said?!?!? im saying think of it as a new drop, if you got in before this extension than you got in for that run of it, think of this like the second run for anyone who didnt get in then.
AnnanHi Annan, the reasoning for the simultaneous extensions is the same as the K-Type, which is that we are working with factories and need to lock the project in their production line.
In terms of shipping dates, they are calculated in conjunction with the factories, taking into consideration the production timelines. There is an upper bound on the number of units that can be produced but a production spot needs to locked in so that the factories can start the process. However, adding orders afterwards (as long as they are below the cap) is ok by these factories.
I hope this clarifies the process more.
ateam311I totally understand the point and we would have definitely clarified earlier if we had the context. This is a learning for us for next time. I apologize for the frustration.
I think the core of the issue stems from community members having to choose between the Yuri and the K-Type and I will see what I can get for everyone involved.
ArchCelWhen we talk about the production process, we also include getting rounds of manufacturing done for QC purposes. For example, for the K-Type, that would include getting a few rounds of keyboards manufactured, packaged, and shipped to Input Club and Yanbo for quality checks. When I talked about the progression earlier, I was talking about the progression in the rounds of keyboards that are coming in to us for quality checks from the factory pipeline.
emojiI understand you point about the 'sense of urgency' and have provided the feedback internally to the team. Thank you.
ChuckDee
1906
May 31, 2017
kunalkumarBut these cases were because of logistics and demand were they not? Which couldn't be assessed before the drop started? Or am I misunderstanding.
ZiggyStar
203
May 31, 2017
kunalkumarThis thread is funny.
Cotay
224
May 31, 2017
f-redNot sure what you are talking about since I never said anything about the extension not being good for folks or changing the ship date for those in the first drop.
ChuckDeeIt's a mixture of circumstances as I mentioned in Elrick's reply. We'd have communicated it earlier had we foreseen this scenario, but its something that we have noted into the process and are meeting about it.
kunalkumarThe Discussion page seriously needs a 'Collapse'/'Expand' feature on threads with more than 5 posts or something. This current thread of yours & the FAQ thread are so long already. Scrolling after scrolling after scrolling just to find new post from other people takes forever. Please have somebody work on it, it is sorely needed!
dylanisco0l
11
May 31, 2017
kunalkumarIs there a way to get the one in the pictures with the blue/white caps? with the lifeline symbol for escape. That keyboard is exactly how I want mine to look.
Dukrous
187
May 31, 2017
dylanisco0lThat keycap is SA Pulse, which is very hard to find for less than $200. Since it was a limited run you'll have to look around to find it or hope there's a second run.
dylanisco0l
11
May 31, 2017
Dukrousok, well i sure as shit dont want it that bad.
eapdangOnce the community has had a chance to view this discussion, I will desticky it. I will think about a work around for these long posts and will let the Product team know about the request.
Lee.III.Will
12
May 31, 2017
ElrickThe group buy will finish later but since the ship date didn't change the only effect this will have on you is that the item won't be as 'limited'. They may have collected funds from people that joined early in order to pay the manufacture to start the manufacturing process. Either way, it doesn't negatively impact you in any noticeable way...
christophish
4
May 31, 2017
ElrickWould you like some cheese with your whine?
IzeTheRube
77
May 31, 2017
kunalkumarProbably could get that Yuri set up in the 1k+. I know I had a to make a decision of which to buy, this or the Yuri...it was painful.
emoji
145
May 31, 2017
kunalkumarThanks @kunalkumar! You guys are awesome. :heart: Massdrop.
ElrickHi everyone,
If anyone feels that they would like to join the Yuri drop or edit their existing Yuri order over the K-Type please send me an email to kunal+ktype@massdrop.com by June 1st, 11:59pm PT. I will collect all the orders and will work with the teams here to get them sorted out. Please note that this is a one time exception for community members here.
Also, we discussed the scenario that took place here and we will be working on a process that would allow for greater clarity to the community about the launch, close, and relaunch of a drop along with the payment collection procedure. We'll try to have this completed as soon as possible and communicated in the upcoming drops, where it is applicable.
Thank you for providing us with all the feedback. We appreciate it!
@Elrick @Cotay @TragestyX @Hamel @IzeTheRube @emoji

edit: date and time deadline.
kunalkumarThank you. This has bugged me quite a while now, especially when I saw people posting back and forth screens - yes I said screens - of Belgium/Europe custom/import regulation articles. It just drowns out all other posts & discussions that I would much rather read about.
The_Suec
17
Jun 1, 2017
kunalkumarCount me in for that Yuri drop if at all possibile
IzeTheRube
77
Jun 1, 2017
kunalkumarThank you Kunal, this is exactly why I am a big fan of Massdrop. Much like the custom products MD release, the community and the company, and how they function as a system is iterative. Each and every time I've had a valid concern you all have bridged the gap and compromised to the benefit of the consumer. Thank you!
Elrick
2105
Jun 1, 2017
The_SuecHave also sent an email to you Kunal.
Shall be buying the K-Type next week so everything has worked out here quite easily ; )
ChitownM2
736
Jun 1, 2017
kunalkumarDefinitely hope you can get more people into the yuri GB. We're so close to the 1000 moq it would be nice to hit that price point and give everyone $10 back. As it is, is more expensive to order 935 kits than 1000. MD should pick up the slack to get us the rest of the way and sell any extra in yanbo closet at a future date
Eviternity
68
Jun 1, 2017
eapdangTell me about it..!!
i just need a button to sort for latest comment. That would be a lifesaver.
RayType
2
Jun 1, 2017
kunalkumarHad I known this drop was going to be extended, I wouldn't have been so frugal at the comic convention I was at this past weekend, heh.
But wow, rest in peace K-Type Kickstarter, there goes the only real reason to back it.
Kirkladc
64
Jun 1, 2017
kunalkumarThanks. I will be emailing you about a Yuri order.
euphxenos
331
Jun 1, 2017
kunalkumarIf there really is a "strict schedule" of keycap drops for the rest of the year, then why don't you publish it so people who need to budget can plan for the drops they want and save up as needed? It sounds like that would help many of the people commenting here.
whomad1215
755
Jun 1, 2017
TelFiREAll of them are getting a serial number.
They just guaranteed the first people who placed an order that they'd get a lower number.
Pandemos
421
Jun 2, 2017
kunalkumarProduction timeline will remain the same for both parties or the early adopters get it earlier...because you took their money already? Timeline for the original purchase is the same? Both parties get it at the same time? Please be clear.
kyzn
61
Jun 2, 2017
kunalkumarIs there a chance that the 2nd round will also have it's price lowered further?
RichardV
201
Jun 2, 2017
kyznIf that happens, there will be a riot
kyzn
61
Jun 2, 2017
RichardVWhat's one more? xD I'm kidding but totally wishing for it. Maybe not as low as the first round. But a bit of a discount.
RichardV
201
Jun 2, 2017
kyznThere will still be a riot :p
Kirkladc
64
Jun 2, 2017
kunalkumarWhere can you find what serial number you got? I was part of the first drop.
Dukrous
187
Jun 2, 2017
KirkladcMy hunch is you'll find out when you open the box.
TheSkeleton
3134
Jun 2, 2017
Kirkladcthere is no way to know until the keeb arrives im pretty sure that if you were the 700th person to enter you wont get serial number 700
kyznThis is the lowest price the K-Type will be. The next MOQ from what I understand is extremely high.
PandemosThe first order has been placed with the factory. If they finish production first, we will get it out to the early joiners immediately.
Tigole
464
Jun 4, 2017
kunalkumarShame on MD for the fake deadline then.
ChuckDee
1906
Jun 4, 2017
TigoleIt's almost like you didn't read any of the explanations...
Pebbleswan
0
Mar 4, 2019
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