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The ortho kit - more than half of the kit is also part of the base kit. If 500x base kits are ordered, then that 50% of the ortho kit should be cheaper.
If the Alphas were sold separately, then they would price it about $49.99 (reference /dev/tty keyset). That would lead to Ortho kit pricing at $19.99. (For your understanding or the lack of, those prices will be the base ones, not the MOQ ones.)
So a typical ortho keyset would be $69.99 counting in the Alphas/base set with Ortho kits.
Susuwatari MT3 starts off with a base price of $52.99 INCLUDING the Alpha keys. The Susuwatari Base kit sorts most TKL and 65/60% layouts.
I get your point about Base kit crossing 500 kits. But that is the fix number of keys coming in the Base Kit. The Alphas are NOT sold separately. Ortho board owners need not buy the entire Base kit to cover their boards.
So clearly you are missing that part of the equation. And this site offers drops for community members. So sorry it spoils your plans to make profit after reselling kits at 75% margin just like you did with /dev/tty kits.
* 600x A caps * 600x B caps * 600x C caps ... * 600x Z caps ... * 600x of any cap that is in both the base kit and ortho kit * 500x caps for each base kit key that is not in the ortho kit * 100x caps for each ortho kit key that is not in the base kit
So, as you can see, we have met the 500x qty discount for many keys that are in the ortho kit.
So for base kit users - you will still get the 500x qty discount. You just have to buy 2 kits now instead of 1. For Ortho kit users - the ortho addon won't be discounted, but the alphas will have the same discount that base kit buyers get.
Obviously, this will only work if you split out these two kits into three kits. One for the keys that are common between them, a base kit 'extra', and ortho kit 'extra'.
That would make more sense to me. Now I'm not faulting the GB organizer for doing it this way. You could apply this logic to all the kits and then you would have way more kits and make this drop much more complicated.
However, going forward, I think it GB organizers should at least do this for the largest 1-2 kits.
Now maybe this manufacturer (which I know nothing about) doesn't conduct business in the per-cap minimum qty like Signature Plastics does.
But if you think about it, my pricing suggestion makes sense, especially since everyone in this drop is contributing to the cost of new tooling, and the cost of that should be more evenly distributed.
As for reselling for X margin, I don't see the issue. I'm helping meet minimum qty during the drop. Then, after the drop, I am actually flooding the secondary market with kits - which means prices would drop - or at least, the prices are the same, but there is much more supply selection.
Reselling keycap recaps - now that's a different story - but that isn't what you are talking about.
You are entitled to be salty, but I respectfully disagree with your saltiness. For this drop, I'll be buying an ortho kit, and that's probably it.
Also, if you understand supply/demand - if I bought 100x ortho kits at $35 - I wouldn't be able to sell for such a high price. With that much supply, I would have to lower my price - and that means the secondary market price for the ortho kit for EVERYONE would be lowered. AND I would help meet MOQ... It would be good for everyone. The only reason I am not doing it is because I don't have the capital, and we are no where near close to $34.99 price point. But if I did do it - you should be thanking me.
Let me use some numbers to explain why you would thank me.
Say current ortho kit qty is at 900. 5 minutes left in the drop. Not gonna make it to 1000. Me, the shameless capitalist, decides to buy 100x kits. We make it to 1000!
Now, 900 kits would have been sold at $51.99. Now, they are all $34.99. I just saved the mech community $15,000. Yes, $15k.
In the secondary market - if I didn't join the GB, cost would be $52.99, then add 70% markup - so secondary market price would be $90. And it could easily be more than that. But let's say 70% for arguments sake.
But if I DO join the GB, the cost would be $34.99 => $60. So the secondary market price dropped by 33%. However, this doesn't account for the fact that now the secondary market supply will be somewhat flooded with my kits. 70% margin would no longer be feasible, unless I wanted to spend the next 12 months selling kits. I would likely have to drop the margin down to 50% (maybe less). So now, the secondary market price would be $52.
So without me, resell prices would be $90. With me? $52. Guess what - that is the current GB price...
Obviously I am just throwing around numbers, but you get the point. No one loses here. No one. People get an opportunity to buy kits they missed. People who join the GB spend less money on the kits. Secondary market has more selection and is cheaper. Massdrop makes more money. GB organizer makes more money. I really can't understand the saltiness, but you can still be salty if you want.
EDIT: To be clear, my suggestion is to have 3x kits: base alphas, 'base extra', and 'ortho extra'. Or, adjust the ortho kit price accordingly (not easy to do and a bit complicated. Separate kits makes more sense).
I do get your point of view about manufacturing costs part, but please look around and tell me which GB runner charges for single keys individually? The entire point of having less kits was to cover as many boards with lesser kits as possible. I guess you missed out on the logistics part.
There is a vast community who want to fill in their Full/TKL/60% boards and the number of those with ortho boards is growing as well. This just makes it easy for both kinds of folks to buy just ONE god damn kit and be happy with that. No more hunting around for leftovers or extras after the GB is over. The next obvious stop would be the Recap.
Your suggestion makes sense only as far as the manufacturer adheres to such a pricing structure. If you tried your suggestion with GMK for instance (whose pricing structure favours single large base kits) you'll end up with 3 expensive kits and end up paying more even if you hit price breaks.
As shadyinc mentioned, the cost of the ortho set at $53 surely already reflects the idea that most of the keys are already included in the base set. This is a drop where ortho lovers really have nothing to complain about when looking at this in comparison to other drops (ergo-dox users on the other hand might have something to say...).
It'd be super awesome if we could get 1000 ortho kits sold, but it's not really likely, and even as things are, I'm used to having to buy a $120+ base kit, plus a $30 - $50 ortho add on kit. I can get three ortho sets for that price here, and I think that's pretty awesome!