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tprk77
50
Oct 14, 2017
I like the look of this drop, but I have to say the Ergodox set is underwhelming. It leaves very little room for other layouts, since it's the bare minimum of vertical keys.
MiTo
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MiTo
Oct 14, 2017
tprk77If blanks were offered users would complain as well, it's 50/50.
This Ergo layout is popular from the data we have, so it's being offered, hope you understand!
tprk77
50
Oct 15, 2017
MiToThanks @MiTo, I think I get that it's a balancing act. And it's more of a rare keyboard, so you are forced into a decision. That said, I think there have been some kits in the past that had a couple extra vertical keys, like Nautilus. Maybe that's infeasible with this drop because of cost, MOQ, or something else.
joelfong
25
Oct 15, 2017
MiToI think the big question is how we can add enough options so that people who have less popular layouts can still find ways to cover their keyboards. Someone below was looking for 1.5u blanks because the ergodox kit just lacked flexibility. It might have been easier to just add say 2 x 1.5u blanks into the kit to make more people happier rather than to commit to a kit that lacks such flexibility.
Same for GMK Laser. Proper Planck compatibility just needs 3 more keys compared to the Base Kit (R2 Tab, R3 Esc, R4 Enter). Will you put those 3 more keys into the Base Kit or will you force even Planck users to buy an entire ErgoPlanck kit for just 3 keys?
There will never be a single kit with legends that will make everyone happy. But you need enough flexible options so that you can please even the most demanding user. And this is arguably easier with DSA kits.
MiTo
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MiTo
Oct 15, 2017
joelfong> how we can add enough options so that people who have less popular layouts can still find ways to cover their keyboards
Enough options are already provided, all kits for sale here come with the necessary keycaps to fill its respective keyboard. If you gonna end up with 100% perfect legends on all positions, that's another story. When you decide to build a custom weird keyboard like the Ergodox, or when you decide to buy an ISO ABNT2 keyboard for example, you should know what you're getting into - which is a niche (mechanical keyboards) of a niche (Ergodox) of a niche (non-Infinity) of a niche (aftermarket custom keysets).
The purpose of a groupbuy, especially ABS 2shot ones, is not to offer snowflakey kits and options, but to strike a balance and offer tangible options for the average user - which will most likely reach a minimum order quantity. Adding a pair of 1.5u blanks to the Ergodox kit wouldn't make much sense because at this point the user would be mixing blanks and legend keycaps, and it defeats the aesthetic conceptual purpose I had in mind when I conceived this product.
> Will you put those 3 more keys into the Base Kit or will you force even Planck users to buy an entire ErgoPlanck kit for just 3 keys?
Will I keep these keycaps on its dedicated kit or will I force ANSI/ISO/60%/TKL/96%/104 to buy 3 useless keys? Just showing to you that your standpoint (albeit valid) is subjective, from the perspective of someone that would like to save as much money as possible. In any case, the Laser GMK kits were completely re organized and will be offered in a completely different manner, when the time comes.
MiToIt does makes sense what you state. I'm just happy you included a set for the "weird" Ergodox. I did find an option since my main layout is near the "standard" layout. I'm hoping the "caps Lock" key in the "extras" category is 1.5u, it seems to conform with signature plastics' " extras" for the Granite set of which I own. If so I can make the "standard" set being offered here work for my main layout. In a way, this standard layout will force me to use keys I don't use like L1 and and L2 keys to jump to layer 1 and 2 easily. I'm sure I can program either layers with my current layout if needed. Since you are the artist I think I've found a way to live out your aesthetic vision of having each key printed with a function line for this collection.
Amnesia1187
544
Oct 16, 2017
tprk77Doesn’t SP sell blanks directly anyway?
tprk77
50
Oct 16, 2017
Amnesia1187Well I never actually said I wanted blanks. Really, ideally, I was saying the Ergodox kit might come with extra keys, to provide some more legends, to support more non-default layouts. Personally, I wouldn't mind paying for the extra keys in the Ergodox kit.
joelfong
25
Oct 16, 2017
MiToI guess that's fair. Appreciate your response on this.
Looking forward to both drops at any rate! (:
MiTo
13955
MiTo
Oct 16, 2017
joelfongI'm trying to include a kit containing blanks keycaps to give more flexibility, together with some extra space bars!
MiToThank you so much! This is most appreciated.
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