Massdrop x MiTo DSA Legacy Custom Keycap Set Discussions | Drop

Oct 16, 2017

erickongThank you for the kind words my friend, I'm here to assist!

Oct 16, 2017

A community member

Oct 16, 2017

MiToIn the Novelties kit what size is the megaphone key? It looks like 1.75 but I cant find any information for it.
Thanks

Oct 16, 2017

Oct 16, 2017

1.75u indeed!

Oct 16, 2017

Bigfootmandude

Oct 16, 2017

MiToAny plans for another round of SA pulse?

Oct 16, 2017

Oct 16, 2017

BigfootmandudeIt's in the works!

Oct 16, 2017

SantiGo

Oct 16, 2017

MiTo i have leopold 750 r _ i have ordine :

Alphas: Black Alphas
Child Kits: Base Mods – Solace
Child Kits: TKL – Solace
Child Kits: Novelties
all GOOD with my keyboard ?

Oct 16, 2017

Oct 16, 2017

SantiGoAll great!

Oct 16, 2017

Piekex

Oct 16, 2017

MiToI know it's not the subject, I'm a total noob and it's probably a bother, but, is there any chance you'd be able to let me know the spacebar size from Gaijin (or) Hiragana in the upcoming Laser set? just trying to find out if I'll be needing to buy the spacebar set as well as finances are tight, many thanks.

Oct 16, 2017

Vigrith

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Oct 16, 2017

PiekexIf only 1 size is offered it will always be 6.25 (standard) unless otherwise specified.

Oct 16, 2017

Oct 16, 2017

MiToAny Chance you can get the drop extended? 14day's seems very short.

Oct 16, 2017

punkonjunk

Oct 16, 2017

MiToMito this set is very cool but I'd prefer to purchase it elsewhere. You should consider another location to launch cap sets!

Oct 16, 2017

Oct 16, 2017

punkonjunkI don't see that happening Punk.. sure there are a minority of people that prefer else where.. but honestly Massdrop gets 10-20x's the exposure of other places. I watching another keycap drop thats been active for 10 day's and is struggling to meet MOQ. Its like 25% there and the drops going till Nov 6. Its being produced by another famous cap creator. I just don't think its as viable. Also Unless its going thought some sort of established store front I would completely pass. The more I think about it. The more I feel like going with group buy's organized by the community is to risky. I don't think people do things on purpose just Real Life Happens.

Oct 16, 2017

schoolbus

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Oct 16, 2017

HotRoderXMost people who hate on Massdrop don't understand group buys in general and are new to the community. Plain and simple.
They should just spend some time here.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/4aiyxr/more_geekhack_gbs_going_down_in_flames_featuring/

Oct 16, 2017

Oct 16, 2017

schoolbusAlso I don't get where people come from with Massdrop has crappy support. I Just had to contact support cause I was affected by missing switches. I contacted them Friday.. The issue is resolved today. They don't work weekends say's so on there website. 2 day's for a resolution isn't bad at all. That's not the only thing the resolution was completely satisfactory and exactly what I wanted.
This leaves me questioning people. Perhaps one of the following is what causes them to get lack luster support Expectations: Perhaps in today's right now world they expect 24-7 customer service on the drop of a dime.
Communication: This is something I am seeing more and more of. Peoples lack of ability to communicate with others. Perhaps its all the texting people do but people seem to have issues sometimes conveying what they desire.
I am not saying Massdrop is perfect just my experiences so far... are a 180 from the massdrop hate some people seem to have. Then that brings on another question. How much of Massdrop's hate is legit and how much is it people wanting to fit in and be a part of something. The desire to be part of something can be very strong and in today's age of lighting fast technology and messaging. Its easy to feel pressured if you don't go with the popular opinion in a given circle you might run in.

Oct 16, 2017

schoolbus

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Oct 16, 2017

HotRoderXWhat you have to realize is a lot of the people and loud voices who spread Massdrop hate also run their own keybord shop/website. It’s not hard to figure out the rest.

Oct 16, 2017

BlueCrowned

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Oct 16, 2017

MiTocan you a do a render of the traditional pulse colorway with the green and/or orange spacebar and maybe some of the special mods/novelties

Oct 16, 2017

yanfali

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Oct 17, 2017

MiToWould love to see a 75% render of black and solace with novelties.

Oct 17, 2017

godsdecree

Oct 17, 2017

MiToHi MiTo! Cant help but compare the set with laser and realise that the colours are perhaps the same tone? Am still patiently holding out for your laser set and oogling at your instagram renders; any idea when that will pop out?
Thanks for making such awesome caps!

Oct 17, 2017

Slenard

Oct 17, 2017

MiToAre there a set number of each kit? And if so how can we find out the remaining quantity of each kit? Thanks in advance :)

Oct 17, 2017

schoolbus

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Oct 17, 2017

SlenardIt's a group buy so it's unlimited.

Oct 17, 2017

Slenard

Oct 17, 2017

schoolbusAwesome! thanks for replying.

Oct 17, 2017

LuvPelikan

Oct 17, 2017

MiToWhat sets would I need for the vortex race 3?

Oct 17, 2017

Oct 17, 2017

LuvPelikanAlphas of your preference
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Base Mods of your preference
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TKL Mods of your preference
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Extra Mods of your preference
By “your preference“ I mean that you should pick between Solace and Rush (blue or pink).

Oct 17, 2017

Qade

Oct 18, 2017

MiTowhat's it for? :) right shift? ^_^

Oct 18, 2017

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consolation

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Oct 18, 2017

MiToIs there any chance for numpad cyphers only kit to go with the legends? There's a numpad kit on sale atm that they would go with perfectly.

Oct 18, 2017

Oct 18, 2017

consolationCan you explain to me what do you mean? I don’t understand your request.

Oct 18, 2017

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Oct 18, 2017

MiToI think they're referring to how you can only get the 1-0 for #pad w/ the alphas while the numberpad mods are a set all their own. I too wish I could just get the full numberpad w/o alpha's forced... :/

Oct 18, 2017

BlueCrowned

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Oct 18, 2017

KM1337would definitely be better

Oct 18, 2017

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HerpDerpenberg

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Oct 18, 2017

KM1337That's one of many I'm trying to wrap my head around. My other is why have a 1.25u shift and 1.75u control key? I can see a 1.75u shift key for various 60% and 75% that have arrow keys but can't think of all that many more common boards that have a 1.75u control key. So now you're looking at getting the "extras" for potentially one key, or I end up putting CTRL in place of my right shift key.
Then there's novelties that include a blue enter + esc/rekt, then a green and orange option, but no pink? What if I wanted to do solace mods with pink enter/esc? I'd have to buy an entire rush mods just to do that, which seems silly itself. I could use the megaphone for a 1.75u shift, but there's no pink option as well if you're going with a rush scheme.
Then nobody seems to really care about 5.5u space bars either that's on my Choc Mini.

Oct 18, 2017

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Oct 18, 2017

HerpDerpenbergYeah... It's rough, I mean, I can kinda understand some of the kit choices, but then other look like they're just blatantly doing it so that you HAVE to buy additional kits that you wouldn't otherwise even look at if you didnt need the one or two keys... I've removed and re-added a full legacy set multiple times to my cart just because I am having a hard time dropping all the $$ that I have to drop to cover my keeb... but I guess that's part of the custom set lyfe?

Oct 18, 2017

HerpDerpenberg

288

Oct 18, 2017

KM1337Yeah, it's not really the custom set life style, but it's from going against the most common keyboard layouts. These sets are really aimed at 60%, TKL, Full sized first, with the odd exception of including numpad keys. But there are definitly others like the TADA68, Magicforce82 that are very popular and have had recent drops and get shafted on basic support. I've got a Choc Mini and got the prior MagicForce82 GB only because I was tired of zero support for the 5.5u spacebar on the Choc Mini.
I keep trying to adjust things, but I always seem to need 1 or 2 keys and another $30-$40. With this kit, I need to get base + mods + TKL + extra to cover my keyboard 100%. I could replace the extras with novelties to save a few bucks as I only need the 1.75u megaphone for shift, could use 1u pulse novelties on ctrl/fn/alt. It's so close to just using the 0-9 on the numpad for F1-F10, then 2x1u novelties for F11-F12 but then I'm missing arrow keys and my del/home/pgup/pgdn keys as I can use the trash can for DEL.
The numpad included in alphas is a whole other thing. Most people who are dumping cash on mech keys have forgone numberpads for TKL or a 75% or less that has a numpad function layer.
I'm still torn on if I want in on this with GMK Laser around the corner as well. I liked GMK Laser at first, but now that I'm looking at these colors I feel GMK Laser is just too... purple... if you know what I mean? I love the novelties of GMK though, but having a cherry profile changes any bit to mix with these.

Oct 18, 2017

consolation

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Oct 18, 2017

MiToAs KM1337 explained below; it would be awesome if we could get the number keys for the numpad separately from the alphas. Thanks for all your work.

Oct 18, 2017

EverTokki

Oct 19, 2017

HerpDerpenbergI agree with you. I was thinking about just the same thing. If only the alpha could've included that one shift. Though, it seems as if I'm just going to buy all the four kits..

Oct 19, 2017

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Oct 19, 2017

consolation @HerpDerpenberg @consolation @KM1337 @BlueCrowned
Important thing you guys perhaps didn't notice is that we have 3 different color options for Alphas and 2 different colors for Modifiers. Therefore, we have 6 possible combinations for the Numpads. How could I possibly offer 6 different standalone Numpad Kits, in order to please everyone, and make these 6 kits reach a MOQ? Since some people will want blue alphas and purple mods, other will want all cyan, etc.? I didn't want to force anyone to go with a particular scheme (although I did that for Euro users) because once again I'm giving options, I want you to be free to come up with your own colorschemes yourselves (past drops reflect this). If you wanna go clown mode and have purple alphas, cyan/pink mods, black numpad, that's possible. It's up to you, this is a custom product so you might as well make it your own. So this was the most efficient logic I managed to invent, if you guys have a better idea please let me know - but sadly the developing phase is long gone at this point.
Another thing worth mentioning is that everyone actually have an option to use a mono-legends number row. It's a clever catch if you think about it, but not ideal I admit. From what I've seen after all these years people sort of enjoy this look. Give it a try once you receive the kits, it does look unique. I know that not everyone like this and some would rather have a -$8 or so discount in the Alphas kits (if I excluded these keycaps) but then again, I wouldn't like to force anyone to go with a particular scheme. It's a shame euro users never show up though, VAT, lack of a proxy/MD euro warehouse and all that jazz make things very difficult for them. Therefore I was forced to force them the Pulse scheme (and sadly that only).

Oct 19, 2017

Oct 19, 2017

MiToI can only imagine the kind of time and planning it must have taken to create a drop for essentially 2 separate keycap sets simultaneously. Ultimately, however it's been put together, it worked because I'm in for at least a few pieces of the pie. Happy to support set and creator making awesome stuff like Legacy. Still trying to patiently wait for Laser to come around as well.

Oct 19, 2017

Oct 19, 2017

KM1337Thank you very much for the kind words, to be honest with you it took me years to come up with a viable way to offer multi colored projects.
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/elemento-pbt-dcs-keycap-set
This was our first attempt and we failed miserably, after less than a week we terminated the drop. Just look at how incredibly insane some things were, horrible International kit, just a mess. Offering multi color keycap sets was always very challenging.
We've been fine tuning this logic ever since and the first time we succeeded was the DSA R1 (Sci-Fi) , then Pulse R2 with the blue alphas, Overcast with over 5 different colors, Godspeed SA with the Lunar Alphas (and eventually a Cockpit kit) and then Godspeed XDA which was the most complex so far. That one was pretty difficult to crack because of the triple alphas and double mods, which is what you're seeing here but more stream lined. The Canvas project borrowed elements from this logic as well, but not that much.
Thanks a lot for all the support and enthusiasm, I received your e-mail and once the time comes I'll be featuring your picture in social media, be sure!

Oct 19, 2017

HerpDerpenberg

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Oct 19, 2017

MiToBut you still didn't read my complaint. Adding the numpad wasn't for options, it's for unnecessary keys for people who don't need it.
My issue is giving an odd 1.75u control and 1.25 shift but no 1.75u shift, which is more common? Lack of purple mods in novelty set as well would have been nice and minimal effort.

Oct 19, 2017

Oct 19, 2017

MiToHAH, Sweet. :D Thx! TBH Hadn't even seen the elemento set, cool set. Looking at that one, it definitely shows changes made over the course of the sets compared to what we have here. And it'll only get better and more dangerous for our wallets, I am sure. ;)

Oct 19, 2017

brendintosh

Oct 21, 2017

MiToNew to mechanical keyboards and first time in a group buy, so sorry if this has already been asked but.. How long does it typically take to ship once the drop ends?
Regardless, I'm so excited to get this keycap set and can't wait to use it on my new keeb!

Oct 21, 2017

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Oct 21, 2017

brendintoshthe date is Estimated ship date is Apr 25, 2018 PT. but keep in mind keycap's can be delayed by several months. The est is only a estimate. I would expect no later then July/aug... at the latest to set expectations in a worse case.

Oct 21, 2017

brendintosh

Oct 21, 2017

HotRoderXYa I totally understand that there's always hiccups during production or shipping on any scale. I just ordered a GMMK 87-key and was wondering if I should order a keycap set in the mean time. Thanks for the help!

Oct 21, 2017

Oct 21, 2017

brendintoshThe shipping date is a worst case scenario, we hope not to face any delays in this project (unless something negative happens with the manufacturer).

Oct 21, 2017

Rapsky

Oct 21, 2017

MiToFor a 96 board is this all I need? Rush Alphas Rush Mods TKL Rush 1337 Meezy Novelties Numpad Rush
Or am I missing something

Oct 21, 2017

VonSwoopington

Oct 21, 2017

RapskyI believe you need the extras kit as well. 1337 Meezy and Novelties are optional.

Oct 21, 2017

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Oct 21, 2017

RapskyDepending on your layout you’d need the Extra Mods, but I think you’re good with the ones you mentioned.

Oct 21, 2017

consolation

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Oct 22, 2017

MiTo" Another thing worth mentioning is that everyone actually have an option to use a mono-legends number row. It's a clever catch if you think about it, but not ideal I admit "
MiTo, I've looked everywhere for mono legends in this drop and can't find them; this was my original plan as with DSA they would be perfectly fine for a numpad (+ a 2u blank, that's always handy anyway). I don't think you need to offer EVERY option, for those of us who are just looking at numpads, just AN option. You would use keys that are already being made, so there's no extra design or prep work, bar designating a keypad numerals kit. I think that there are more of us than you'd expect, all the people with Alps or Topre based keyboards, who use a cherry numpad - for example.
I'm a big fan of your work, and realise it's a bit late in the drop to be adding kits, but I think lumping numpad numerals with the alphas is a poor choice; one that's becoming something of a pattern on MD lately.
PS. If I'm being blind and there is a mono kit, could someone please point me at it?

Oct 22, 2017

Oct 22, 2017

consolationThere's a 1u 0 that comes with the number pad included w/ alphas so you can use 1- 0 on top # row. I think that's what he's referring to :)

Oct 22, 2017

Immune

Oct 23, 2017

MiToAre these keycaps cherry mx compatible?

Oct 23, 2017

Oct 23, 2017

ImmuneYes my friend!

Oct 23, 2017

zzzaacchh

Oct 23, 2017

MiToDid you make some ortho renders?

Oct 23, 2017

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Rapsky

Oct 23, 2017

MiTocurrently using a 96 set up with a 1.75u Shift and an arrow cluster. So I was really thinking if I need extras to make it work

Oct 23, 2017

Oct 23, 2017

zzzaacchhNot yet, I may not be able deliver those, depends on how he workflow will progress. Trying my best!

Oct 23, 2017

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Oct 23, 2017

RapskyNot necessary, unless you want 100% perfect legends.

Oct 23, 2017

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zzzaacchh

Oct 23, 2017

MiToIt's all good, I have a good imagination. I'm thinking of doing Rush alphas with Solace 1337 as mods to get the sweet purple/black combo!

Oct 23, 2017

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Oct 23, 2017

zzzaacchhI have a Vortex Core designed, I’m thinking about using it to show to you the two options.

Oct 23, 2017

zzzaacchh

Oct 23, 2017

MiToClose enough, let's see it!

Oct 23, 2017

Rooski15

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Oct 23, 2017

MiToHey MiTo, quick question. I have a 65% and it appears that the only arrow-keys are in the tkl kit. Is there any way to get arrows in a non-standard kit? Or do i have to buy tkl just for those 4 keys?
Many thanks!

Oct 23, 2017

Oct 23, 2017

Rooski15There are arrow keys in the 1337 Kits too!

Oct 23, 2017

Rooski15

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Oct 23, 2017

MiToAhh, I missed that! Thank you, MiTo

Oct 23, 2017

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Oct 26, 2017

MiToMassdrop, will you please change all the Drop 1 Quantities to 1 so it is clear there are no MOQs in this drop (as MiTo added at the top of his pinned post)? The quantities listed in your current spreadsheet serve no purpose to those placing orders, they are only confusing a lot of members. And only a subset of people read the discussions.

Oct 26, 2017

Oct 26, 2017

dvorcolThanks for the solution, I haven't thought about 1 as MOQ yet. That's a good approach, I'll discuss with the team!

Oct 26, 2017

Oct 26, 2017

MiToYour welcome! I hope Massdrop agrees...

Oct 26, 2017

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dendo91

Oct 26, 2017

MiToHi guys! What sets do I need to cover a standard HHKB layout? I have black alphas and Base Mods selected. Anything else?

Oct 26, 2017

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Oct 26, 2017

dendo91You’d need the Extra Mods too, depends on the legends you want!

Oct 26, 2017

ChitownM2

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Oct 27, 2017

MiToAre the blank 2.25u keys only available with the 40% kits? 2.25 is a popular size for split spacebar but I don't want to buy the whole kit for just that key...
What other 2.25 u keys are included in other kits?

Oct 27, 2017

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Oct 27, 2017

ChitownM2> Are the blank 2.25u keys only available with the 40% kits?
Yes. > What other 2.25 u keys are included in other kits?
There are various, Extra Mods, Novelties, 40s, you can look at the renders and verify - the keycap sizes get progressively bigger.

Oct 27, 2017

atari.zero.tv

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Atari Zero TV

Oct 27, 2017

MiToWOW. Okay. This is really really awesome. NO MOQs means more kits for me!

Oct 27, 2017

sfcgeorge

Oct 30, 2017

MiTo @MiTo any chance of a final price update now we’re in the last few hours?

Oct 30, 2017

Oct 30, 2017

sfcgeorgeA major contributor to order numbers for some kits today could be the Proxy orders, which typically come in the last hour before close. Still, there may be big member order number increases today for many kits, too.
Take Oblotzky's SA Oblivion drop that ended on 9/21 as an example. Massdrop made two updates on the last day: one very early in the morning, the second with 11 hours remaining. Neither update included the Proxy orders, which I understand were placed during the last hour. Oblotzky had shared the progress of the Proxy orders on two prior occasions in the last week of that drop, and YanboWu shared the final numbers 13 days after the drop ended; thank you @Oblotzky and @YanboWu! Below is the history of that drop to give you some idea. How similar @MiTo

Oct 30, 2017

Oct 30, 2017

sfcgeorgeNot 100% guaranteed, but I'll try to provide.

Oct 30, 2017

bubbachuck76

Oct 31, 2017

dvorcolwhy do people place Proxy orders? Is there an advantage?

Oct 31, 2017

Oct 31, 2017

bubbachuck76The proxy orders are typically placed by Asian websites that are also selling the kits. They have been taking orders from their own customers, and place one huge order to Massdrop after their sales end and just before Massdrop's group buy ends. It seems to me that other foreign countries could do this as well, and perhaps some do. I have no details.

Oct 31, 2017

mikethetiger

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Oct 31, 2017

MiToYou got me again MiTo. Sunk a small fortune into this buy. ;)

Oct 31, 2017

Nov 5, 2017

MiToHey, so I forgot to add the standard mods to my order. I emailed massdrop, any chance that they could add it to my order in time?

Nov 5, 2017

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Phishead92

Nov 6, 2017

MiToI added the wrong alpha's to my order. Would there be anyway I could change my order?

Nov 6, 2017

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Nov 6, 2017

Phishead92It is strongly recomended that you cancel your order and place it again. Some people tend to get errors while changing things from their orders. Better safe than sorry.

Nov 6, 2017

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Phishead92

Nov 6, 2017

MiToBut the ordering period is over. So how can I do that? I already contacted MD Support about the matter

Nov 6, 2017

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Nov 6, 2017

Phishead92Oh, my bad I thought you were a Laser GMK drop participant, got notified by two different people at the exact moment... My apologies for this stupid confusion my friend. Regarding your issue, I'm afraid nothing can be done at this point, orders can't exactly change after the buy closes because the purchase order was already placed within the manufacturer. Right now your best bet is either living with the kit your ordered or trade with someone either here or on /r/MechMarket once the kits start shipping. I hope you understand mate, this is why we recommend that people review their orders before the deadline...

Nov 6, 2017

Phishead92

Nov 6, 2017

MiToDang. Okay I'll just wait for that as well. I am getting the Laser GMK set as well but the Rush alphas from legacy look almost exactly the same as the alphas from Laser

Nov 6, 2017

Nov 6, 2017

MiToDarn, so I can't add to or cancel my legacy order? I really really want Laser...

Nov 6, 2017

Nov 6, 2017

ibibassThey are two different drops!

Nov 6, 2017

Nov 6, 2017

MiToYeah, but I am wondering if I can cancel my Legacy order to have enough money to buy laser. It's a lot cheaper for me to buy Laser, and then I have a ton of options for layouts!

Nov 6, 2017

Nov 7, 2017

ibibassMy understanding is no one can cancel or change their order once the drop ends. But once you receive it, you can list your kits for sale on reddit.com/r/mechmarket and make your money back. Actually, you could probably make a profit...

Nov 7, 2017