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Welcome to the drop page, I hope you're excited for the Laser GMK project!
During the upcoming weeks we will be offering exclusive collaborations to celebrate the Laser culture. Exciting side drops will take place between some known community members and Massdrop. Other independent community creators/contributors will be expressing their creativity and passion for our project too, following their own terms.
We would like to thank every single one of you for the incredible support during the development phase, and we expect you all to have a very pleasant and unique experience with the Laser universe. We wanted to do justice to our keyset manufacturer capabilities, so everything we are presenting was conceived following top quality industry guidelines and state of the art technology, the best we can possibly offer so you can enjoy the purple hype.
Laser is filled with cultural references and it inspired me and JoTo to write together a cyberpunk short story dedicated to the project. Hands on Deck - The Laser GMK Short Story by MiTo and JoTo is debuting Nov. 3rd on my website. You'll have the chance to support independent artists and dive deep inside the universe we shaped. At the same time, I'm gonna be offering limited edition trinkets that I prepared myself here in Brazil and I hope you enjoy them. This is going to be the Laser Shoppo grand opening!
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FAQ:
> What kits I need to fill my keyboard?
In order to cover the vast majority of MX stem keyboards you'll most likely need the Cyberdeck kit at the very least, but lots of 60% and mini layouts can be covered with a combination of Gaijin/Kobe + Blocknet, and even more form factors can be covered with the addition of the Mitowaves. Depending on your specific layout, such as the Planck and Preonic, the Spacebars kit may be required so please double check before placing your order. Split keyboards can be covered with Gaijin/Kobe + Ergo and European layouts will be covered with the combination of Cyberdeck + Euro. The Mitowaves kit is entirely optional and if you are a Colemak/Dvorak user you already know you're covered.
> What happened to the arcade references from the novelties kit?
We decided to not offer those designs due to licensing restrictions, since they strongly resembled famous video game characters.
> Why *insert keycap* is missing from the Euro kit?
Because according to the data we collected during the past 4 years, the demand for European kits has been always underwhelming, in the grand scheme of things, representing a minority. They result in extra costs for everyone and offering complex international kits tend to result in logistic and fulfillment errors as they add a significant degree of complexity to the manufacturing and sorting process. As a result, only the most popular European layouts are covered, with the bare minimum number of keycaps to make it functional, following the most simplistic aesthetic theme present in the keyset.
> What's the *insert design* symbol present in the Mitowaves kit?
All of the designs are either '80s/retrowave/cyberpunk or short story references!
> What's the matter with the Blocknet kit?
Those came from Canvas XDA, we figured the community would enjoy a futuristic and aesthetically pleasing iconography to replace the modifiers. So we adapted the convention and ported some elements to the Cherry doubleshot profile. Below you can see a tiny example about how I arrived at the CONTROL design. If there's enough interest I can go ahead and provide a full breakdown.
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> Why are the Japanese kits designed the way they are?
For the Gaijin kit, the current manufacturing methods that exist do not permit triple shot plastic injection, as a result all legends are the same color. It celebrates the busy cyberpunk aesthetics. As for the Kobe kit, it exists to represent the beautiful Japanese minimalism.
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Thanks for checking this post, I hope it provides some guidance to this wave!
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At49ers
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Nov 2, 2017
MiToAnyway that you can let us see what's in the shop link? Currently its got the status offline picture but I'd like to see items and prices so I know how much I'm going to spend on Friday. Anyways, much thanks beautiful keycap set and the only ones ill ever need.
Cyphre
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Nov 2, 2017
At49ersOne of the first pictures is the graph of all prices and their respective drop points.
ibibass
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Nov 2, 2017
MiToAny plans on doing this kit in another profile? I love the colorway, but I like spherical keycaps...
killyou
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Nov 2, 2017
MiToHey MiTo. Great keyset! Is there any chance to have barred F and J included? I hate those scooped ones. Or at least regular F and J without the bar and scoop. Thanks!
killyou
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Nov 2, 2017
MiToSorry, another question. Any chance on getting separate set of just regular alphas like gajin and kobe? That would make it easier to pull the trigger for 60% guys. I just want regular alphas and blocknet, I don't need the rest of 60 or something keycaps that will be left of cyberdeck set. Thanks again!
MiToFinally a proper drop page! My plan is to grab Cyberdeck + Gaijin + Blocknet + Mitowaves + Spacebar here. At MOQ, that's $374.95. At lowest price points for all kits, that's 245.95. OMG!!! WHY DO YOU WANT TO HURT MY WALLET SO BAD??? :D
EDIT: AND JOINED :D
At49ers
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Nov 2, 2017
CyphreYea but I'm asking about the other stuff that is not in the drop that is going to be sold separately.
ibibass
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Nov 2, 2017
!!! Awesome!
Rapsky
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Nov 2, 2017
MiTo Cyberdeck + Gaijin + Mitowaves + Blocknet = Take my money its ready my ZZ96 is ready for this
Simia_4
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Nov 2, 2017
MiToMy body has been waiting for this set to drop! Thank you so much for the updates!
MiTo
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MiTo
Nov 2, 2017
At49ersFinal details are being figured out check the page once it goes ONLINE mode!
MiTo
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Nov 2, 2017
killyouScooped and bar keycaps are already included in all alphanumerical kits. As for your request regarding splitting kits - it's cheaper for you to purchase the whole entire Cyberdeck kit, containing keycaps you won't use, than purchasing a separate alphas kit and then a modifiers kit. We quoted within the manufacturer and of course, the most affordable and better deals are what you see here.
MiTo
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Nov 2, 2017
Unfortunately not, the Blocknet kit is designed for 60% keyboards. I recommend you to complement your build with the Mitowave novelties, if you wanna fit a 65% keyboard. Hope you understand!
MiTo
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Nov 2, 2017
RapskyThat's going to be one fancy looking fabulous 96! Looking forward to see the pictures, thank you very much for the enthusiasm and support!
killyou
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Nov 2, 2017
MiToI haven't noticed barred homing keys until you've mentioned it. GREEEEEEEEAT THANKS!
jrjr2
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Nov 3, 2017
eapdangFor $245 thats incredible value. Basically what you pay for a base-kit of skidata on mechmarket.
Jino74
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Nov 3, 2017
MiToHi MiTo,
QQ for you - Any way 1.5U Escape and Delete keys can be added to cover the Vortex Race 3?
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Nov 3, 2017
Jino74Way too late to be asking for additional keys. This has been in IC/prototype stages for a YEAR.
jrjr2
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Nov 3, 2017
Jino74vortex screwed up bad here. Just use other 1.5u mods for it, or consider selling it and get a kbd75.
killyouThis is way past being able to change anything kit related at all. For GMK making separate kits like SP is always a bad idea, the base set is damn near perfect as is imo.
killyou
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Nov 3, 2017
livingspeedbumpI was only asking because I don't like the default modifiers from GMK (I'm not too fond of the font they are using). I'll be getting Gaijin or Kobe + Blocknet (This is beyond awesome) to equip my Pok3r.
kohlerm
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Nov 3, 2017
eapdangThe prices are ridiculous. 200$ for an base + ergodox kit? add VAT and potentially customs and you are potentially at 250 Euros. GMK is way overpriced IMHO, even if it would be PBT it would be overpriced. I use colemak which would be even more expensive.
kohlermClearly you don't understand how GMK sets work. Yes they are expensive. Yes there is a reason though.
PBT > ABS either. Many people in the community prefer ABS over PBT, or POM over both. Cap material, when good quality, is all preference.
This set just clearly isn't for you, but it is a killer deal for what is provided and a set that many people have been waiting for a long time.
Cyphre
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Nov 3, 2017
kohlermHonestly, that is about as good as it gets for a custom set on a non-standard layout. Also note that the price will definitely drop to the lowest levels, just as the other recent GMK sets have. Far too many have been waiting for this day to come.
sevenseacat
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Nov 3, 2017
kohlermyou're in a niche (Colemak users) of a niche (Ergodox users) of a niche (mechanical keyboard users).
It ain't gonna be cheap.
Jino74
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Nov 3, 2017
jrjr2You just gave me a reason to buy another board to match the GMK Laser! Gone are the days of buying keycap sets to match a board; now its the other way around!?!?!
kohlerm
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Nov 3, 2017
sevenseacati'm staying with blank cheap PBT keycaps, more durable, much cheaper (25 Euro for Ergodox , less then 20 for other keyboards).
kohlerm
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Nov 3, 2017
livingspeedbumpI think I understand it. It's rare and hyped :-) I would rather spend money on building more keyboards, sounds like more fun to me.
kohlermCool Story Bro
Cyphre
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Nov 3, 2017
kohlermBest of luck to you and your interests then! We'll see you in 6 months when you're looking for a fancy keycap set!
stravinskii
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Nov 3, 2017
MiToMiTo, could you upload a render for Kobe + Blocknet? Undecided to go with Kobe or Gaijin. Thanks!
NeuroKuma
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Nov 3, 2017
Jino74Looks like your best bet is to add the Ergo set to whatever other sets you want. It has the 1.5u R1 blanks you'd need.
MiTo
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MiTo
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Duke73
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Nov 3, 2017
MiToMiTo please add the hot pink ISO enter to the base set or the Mitowaves set!! It doesn't need to go into the euro set for compatibility, but not having it in either the base set or Mitowaves is going to put a load of UK buyers off. Same alternative colour Esc and ISO Enter should be standard on the this kit!!!! Please!!!
jrjr2
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Nov 3, 2017
Duke73Dont need to buy eurokit? You do realize UK buyers always get their compatability in the set. I doubt that UK buyers is a large part of the community buying base-sets. Welcome to what every other euro country has to do except UK on every drop.
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Duke73These kits are locked. Adding or removing keys at this stage, especially the notoriously expensive ISO Enter, would changes prices for EVERYONE. That's not cool. You had a YEAR to make requests. It's too late.
Duke73
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Nov 3, 2017
jrjr2i'm just saying, having the pink ISO enter in the base kit would mean more people from the UK would buy it, and if you needed the euro kit it would be in the base kit anyway so makes no difference to you. i'd prefer to have the pink ISO enter swapped out with the blue one in the base kit to be honest, then guys in the states wouldn't even have to pay for the extra key...
Duke73
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Nov 3, 2017
DataIf you swapped the blue iso for the pink one surely it wouldn't cost anything more. They haven't been made yet...
Foxlive
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Nov 3, 2017
MiToLittle question: do the KOBE alpha are double shot ABS ? And only the Gaijin have printed japanese caracteres? Thanks :)
jrjr2
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Nov 3, 2017
Duke73Well Nautilus did the exactly opposite. They had loud enter in base-kit and normal enter in euro kit. Mito did the opposite.
Many like the loud enter, many like the normal. I prefer the normal, so im happy with the way Mito is doing it. No matter what, half of people will be happy/unhappy either way.
MiTo
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Nov 3, 2017
FoxliveEverything on sale is doubleshot ABS, the keycaps included are the ones you see in the kits!
Duke73
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Nov 3, 2017
jrjr2Yeah i missed out on the nautilus, by simply not knowing enough about GMK keys and why they're so good. i still think it would make sense to put the loud enter in the novelties kit though
jrjr2
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Nov 3, 2017
Duke73Nautilus was actually my first GMK GB i joined. The should probably deliver in a month or so, so look at mechmarket to pick a copy up. Zambumon posted a production picture here and it looks stunning: https://www.instagram.com/p/BazfOlfD60P/?taken-by=zambumon.keyboards
Foxlive
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Nov 3, 2017
MiToThanks for this fast answer !!! Already join, can't wait to have my fingers on these :D
Duke73
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Nov 3, 2017
jrjr2Got a link to the mechmarket? This one?? https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/
jrjr2*hint* sarcarsm *hint*
kohlerm *hint* sarcarsm *hint*
robicarus
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Nov 3, 2017
MiToHey man, another great set. Can't quite tell, is there a 2u shift in the base kit? Also, did you ever get the samples for XDA godspeed?
MiTo
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MiTo
Nov 3, 2017
robicarusIt's a 2u indeed and multiple samples are being sent back and forth - yes! We are working on those and looking good so far!
jrjr2
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Nov 3, 2017
Duke73Yep! New GMK sets usually go for $180.
robicarus
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Nov 3, 2017
MiToWow that was a fast reply. Keep it up, you've been knocking it out of the park with all these sets recently!
MiToIn for Base Kit, Giajin, BlockNet, MitoWaves x 2, and Spacebars. THIS SET IT PERFECT.
MiTo
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Nov 3, 2017
Rapsky
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Nov 3, 2017
MiToMito is it possible to get gaijin as my base kit? XD
MiToI would definitely be interested in a full breakdown on the thought process behind the blocknet icons
LevelSteam
Nov 4, 2017
HexadecatrienoicThey're essentially the same symbols used in Canvas XDAs icon kit.
WarmCat
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Nov 4, 2017
MiToGreat looking set MiTo! But once again, we have missing 1.5u command/meta equivalents! its great that there is colemak/Dvorak and ergodox sets, but do you think that there are more colemak/Dvorak users than OS X users? you’ll still sell thousands of sets no doubt, but please consider it for next time.
ChrisClark
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Nov 4, 2017
MiToYou've been very vocal and great at replying to everyone on here. Great job and customer service. Also I would be interested in a full breakdown.
MiTo
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Nov 4, 2017
WarmCatThank you for the enthusiasm and interest my friend! I'm also a Mac user, but offering Command, etc. keys is simply not worth it - they perform the same function as ALT and CONTROL, so no reason to keep adding different legends that in the end objectively perform the same function. I know many will disagree with this but from a daily basis perspective the user can simply abstract and interpret the legends as Command, etc. It's function over form in this case, while some would like to have perfect legends at the end of the day there are simply way too many keyboards out there. We execute these kits based on what's popular out there, on average.
LevelSteamYes, I was thinking more of how @MiTo came up with the icons themselves, though.
Katakain
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Nov 4, 2017
MiToa moment of silence for caps loco
and my wallet
Widabo
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Nov 4, 2017
MiToIf/when this is ported to SA, do you think we can get Colevrak Gaijin?
Vloshko
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Nov 4, 2017
MiTo@MiTo Could we get an update on the pricing sheet in the drop description?
Herp_McDerp
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Nov 4, 2017
VloshkoMD do the updates mate as far as I'm aware, and if previous drops are anything to go by than we won't see any updates on weekends. Guessing it'll be updated Monday/Tuesday.
Ozymandias99
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Nov 4, 2017
MiToHi MiTo. I just realised that the Kobe set isn't compatible with ISO layouts. You got the extra key for R4 (next to shift), but there isn't anything for the extra key on R3 (next to ISO enter), so we'd have to but something else there, which would looks totally out of place. Do you have any plans to change this? I would hate for this to happen.
MiTo
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MiTo
Nov 4, 2017
Ozymandias99No, this would result in me having to invent something random for the couterpart Gaijin kit and they are twin kits. The ISO/ITL layout is restrict to it's very basic form, due to lack of demand and steep costs. Hope you understand!
Ozymandias99
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Nov 4, 2017
MiToThanks for the fast reply. While I understand, this is still very frustrating >.<
Ozymandias99
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Nov 4, 2017
MiToAlso, why is there an extra key on R4 but not R3?
MiTo
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Nov 4, 2017
Ozymandias99Some people use a tiny left SHIFT in their layouts but an ANSI ENTER still!
tent
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Nov 5, 2017
MiToHey, quick question about Blocknet.
if " • • " is the control symbol, and " >__ " is the super symbol, then why is the r3 control key using the super symbol? It wasn't like this in canvas.
It also seems a little strange to have a stepped control key included, but not stepped caps lock.
MiTo
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MiTo
Nov 5, 2017
tent> ">__" is the super symbol
Yes, this is actually the SYSTEM (WIN/CODE) symbol and the double dot is indeed CONTROL. We don't have a R3 CONTROL keycap on Blocknet kit, only CAPS LOCK, FN, FN and ENTER, respectively.
tent
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Nov 5, 2017
MiToAh, so FN and SYSTEM share the same icons? Good to know.
Thanks for the response.
MiTo
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Nov 5, 2017
tentOn Laser GMK they do because >* (like Canvas, > and a tiny star) would require a new mold and since the icons are about the same (>_ and >*) I thought the user could simply use his imagination.
DustyMeats
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Nov 5, 2017
MiTo@mito > "We don't have a R3 CONTROL keycap on Blocknet kit"
Pity... many vi/tmux users remap caps lock to control. This could have been a big win.
MiTo
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Nov 5, 2017
DustyMeatsObjectively you can simply pretend >_ is CONTROL, a line must be drawn somewhere, since the symbols are kind of abstract, and there are far too many layouts out there, a compromise or two must be made in order to deliver a reasonably priced product. I hope you understand! For example it took me a while to understand if your reply was even wrote in english because never before in my life I had heard of vi/tmux. I thought the following sentence was foreign, haha! I'm not a native speaker (BR here) so sorry about that.
Pity... many vi/tmux
DustyMeats
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Nov 5, 2017
MiToYeah, no hard feels. The Win-key can definitely act as a substitute in this scenario. I still think it's gorgeous either way. I operate as minimally as possible on a 60%, and I'm looking forward to Kobe and Blocknet. I was a little bummed there was no alternative Enter key included with Blocknet, so I also picked up the spacebar kit so I can add a splash of pink.
Sorry about the vi/tmux reference. If you prefer the aesthetic of a terminal, you may find Vim or tmux very interesting (assuming you're operating on a Mac/Linux machine).
tent
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Nov 5, 2017
MiToNot that it really matters, but I am curious as to why FN was chosen over CONTROL. To the best of my knowledge, CONTROL is the more popular mapping.
I've set up a poll to see which one is more common. It should prove interesting provided it gets enough votes. www.strawpoll.me/14329938
MiTo
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Nov 5, 2017
tentThe history has proven to me (a little over 3 years and over 10 keycap set projects) that people tend to request more often than not a 1.75u FN keycap, and almost never (I can only recall Sci-Fi, if I'm not mistaken) a Control. Vocal people tend to be Poker users - entry level keyboard with an easy remapping system. More experienced users tend to use fancier layouts that require an easy Fn access, since they map things to several layers. Mapping Control to 1.75u Fn is virtually useless since the left Ctrl can be accessed with your left pinky instantly, whilst Caps Lock can be triggered via Fn + Tab. Using me as an example, I use a 60% HHKB-esque layout and I have a fully functional F-Row from 1 to 12, Numpad and arrow cluster, both accessible with one hand, thanks to my 2 Fn's (stepped and 1u to the far right).

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Willfill
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Nov 5, 2017
tent Doesn't it come with both? An Fn and a Control to replace caps? Looks like it does in the cyberdeck image to me. (sorry if I'm out of the loop on the discussion)
Katakain
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Nov 5, 2017
Willfillit does for cyberdeck but they're talking about the symbols in blocknet
tent
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Nov 5, 2017
MiToI suppose it all depends on how people use their boards. I personally use ctrl + bksp all the time in order to quickly delete words, so it's almost crucial for me to have control very close to the home row.
Regardless, it's really not a big deal to have a slightly different icon.
Laser looks excellent and I really appreciate your prompt and informative responses. I plan on buying all the sets aside from Euro and Colevrak. Thanks again!
Willfill
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Nov 5, 2017
KatakainOh, of course, thanks for letting me know. I just kind of blindly joined blocknet without thinking about that; I'll still get it and just deal with a different icon for control, but yeah, if there is any way there could be a control key included as well I would appreciate it greatly! When you're going all out on a keyset you don't want any mislabeled keys, but it's not like it's a big deal to just have a different icon.
BlueCrowned
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Nov 5, 2017
MiToWhen will more stuff be posted on laser shoppo?!
Cakirrama
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Nov 5, 2017
MiToWhere is the Blocknet ISO enter key?
BlueCrownedProbably Monday.
KM1337
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Nov 6, 2017
MiToOoooh, nice, drop price tracker got updated and the aesthetics are very on point.
Amnesia1187
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Nov 6, 2017
MiTo@MiTo any chance you could add some way to get more purple 7u spacebars OR pink icon enter/esc. I don’t care which. I use nothing but 7u and it’s gonna really suck to buy multiple kits and only be able to use 1-2 cause I’m out of spacebars.
I know there a pink 7u, but that doesn’t really match blocknet at all.
BitLuder
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Nov 6, 2017
KM1337And so much easier to read, I might actually be able to read it from my phone! :) Very nice.
_quickbrownfox
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Nov 6, 2017
tentThis is interesting to me, because I can see myself replacing Caps with either Fn or Ctrl depending on the type of keyboard. For example: 60% keyboard, I need an efficient way to access the function layer for arrow/navigation/F keys, so I'd replace Caps with Fn. On a TKL or full size keyboard, I'd already have dedicated arrow/nav/F keys so I'd likely replace Caps with Ctrl to easily use shortcuts like ctrl+a, copy/paste, save, browser shortcuts, etc. It would be interesting to see what people remap their Caps key to based on keyboard size. Just my two cents.
MiTo
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killyou
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Nov 6, 2017
_quickbrownfoxGood point. I remap my Caps to FN on a 60% board and this is the only board I'm using. I have yet to try 40% but 60% is where I'm comfortable at with hand movement and layers.
ChrisClark
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Nov 6, 2017
MiToHave you thought of adding HJKL with arrows like the Terminal key set?
stravinskii
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Nov 6, 2017
MiToThought this would help, but now I want every kit.
BlueCrowned
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Nov 7, 2017
MiToHow about a render with a pink spacebar?
MiTo
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BlueCrowned
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Nov 7, 2017
MiToYay!! Thank you! I wish we could get a Blue spacebar...
KM1337
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Nov 7, 2017
MiToNow that's some contrast. :) Might have to look into the spacebar set to get a pink one for the keycool. My excitement for this set is palpable. Looking through the sets I have selected (Cyberdeck, Gaijin and Mitowaves) I think I can actually fill up Both my RK104 and my keycool 84 completely with pretty minimal compromises on improper legends... This is gonna be too good.
BlueCrowned
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Nov 7, 2017
KM1337I can't think about anything BUT laser
Katakain
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Nov 7, 2017
KM1337don't you need blocknet for a 2nd set of modifiers?
KM1337
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Nov 7, 2017
KatakainThat's what I thought originally, but looking at *all* the extra's in cyberdeck, I think I could make it work. Lots of extra mods in cyberdeck and mitowaves has a few too. Might not be 100% accurate on row's / legends but i think it'd be good enough to run either way lol.
Amnesia1187
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Nov 7, 2017
MiToThe reason lots of people ask for R3 FN and not R3 control is that almost always the sets already have R3 Control. It is BY FAR the more common layout because of the HHKB.
Not gonna stop my purchases, but I think you made the wrong call on that one. I bet if you ran a poll Control would beat FN 2:1.
MiTo
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Nov 7, 2017
Amnesia1187Fn is the better option because it acts as both Control, since Control is a function that a keyboard executes, and Fn itself.
Control only acts as control.
The interpretation of the legend label by the user is the most important thing, and from an aesthetic and logical standpoint Fn is the better choice since it acts as both.
Doesn’t make sense to have another Control keycap on the keyboard, the bottom row already contains two.
It’s not about making polls, by your logic 33% of the customers would be disappointed. It’s about making the most logical and aesthetic call since this is a visual product that must please the majority of users, on average.
Amnesia1187
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Nov 7, 2017
MiToIf you have blockers the bottom row contains 0 controls. If you have a split right shift you have FN to the right of that. With the current scheme you end up with 0 control legends and then a FN legend on 2 different rows. This is bad aesthetics. Think of keyboards like the Duck Viper or anything with a similar layout.
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Also, why is the stepped key a FN key?
I also use the control on all my boards that have tsangan mods for consistency. I will probably just use the capslock key since it will clash the least with the look, but its just unfortunate.
Of the gmk sets I own, the following have R3 ctrl: Yuri Electric Bluegaloo Mods Magenta Dolch Mods Hyperfuse Redux Skeletor True Olivetti Ocean Dolch Iris Hydro Coniferous Pink Originative Accent Kit Cyan Originative Accent Kit Purple Originative Accent Kit Sky Dolch Red Honey Demonic Dolch Reborn Icon Mods Miami Nights
The following have R3 fn:

Do you see the trend?
I totally understand where you are coming from, but you are removing what is essentially a standard key to add one that no other set has. The reason people are seen to be asking for R3 FN more than R3 Control, is no one usually has to ask for R3 Control. Like I said before, you made the wrong call here.
DustyMeats
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Nov 7, 2017
Amnesia1187> "The reason people are seen to be asking for R3 FN more than R3 Control, is no one usually has to ask for R3 Control"
+1
Cyphre
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Nov 7, 2017
Amnesia1187R3 Control is already included in the base kit. Symbols with no actual wording can be interpreted however you like.
And if you want to get technical, at this point 40% users are more common than people with Duck Vipers or similar HHKB formats that are able to use MX keycaps.
Amnesia1187
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Nov 7, 2017
CyphreBased on what? They must not be using GMK sets currently.
sevenseacat
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Nov 7, 2017
Amnesia1187that's a lot of GMK sets...
Cyphre
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Nov 7, 2017
Amnesia1187Based on the HHKB being Topre and few examples of niche HHKB layout offerings from other customs. Where there are already sub-60% layouts (staggered or ortho) being supported.
Also once again, R3 Control is already included in the base kit. Child kits are only extensions of main kit coverage in GMK kits.
Amnesia1187
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Nov 7, 2017
CyphreExcept it’s not an extension. It’s for the Japanese alphas.
What layout is it you think this is even helping? For any 40% I can think of it would need a 1.5u or 1.25u fn key.
I dont use 40%. i use 60/65%. the point of using caps lock control is not because of the blockers, it’s because once you get used to caps lock control, you have a very hard time using anything else.
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i was planning to buy multiple blocknet sets to cover all the Japanese sets I want, I would either have to use a wrong legend, or I guess I could do as you say and use the control from base, except then it would look like trash and I would only be able to use either the base or Japanese set at a time. I really don’t wanna have to swap keys.
Cyphre
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Nov 7, 2017
Amnesia1187By extension, I'm referring to 'not needed' since the base kit covers other formats. Only exceptions would be International kits and space bars. Call it an add-on or whatever you like.
Congrats on your preference to using Control instead of Caps Lock in that space. One is included in the base kit just for you. Novelties like alternate mods aren't really there to cater to that same need. At the end of the day, there are no 'wrong legends' with complete new, custom symbol legends anyway. Your personal preference was not the guiding light in the creation of these kits.
Amnesia1187
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Nov 7, 2017
CyphreOk, I'm going to be as clear as I can because you just don't get it. I have many keyboards lined up for laser. I was planning to buy multiples of basically EVERY SET. I would like to be able to use Laser on ALL of my boards at once if I want to, not just one or two that I decide to use the CTRL key with.
That means if I buy for example buy 3 base kits and 2 of each japanese kit and 4 blocknet kits, I would have no option but to either use the wrong legend, OR buy 4 EXTRA base kits just for ctrl keys that DONT MATCH. OR I could only use my 7 keyboards worth of kits to cover 3 keyboards. I shouldn't have to spend $110 per control key just to use Gaijin/Kobe with the legends correctly aligned.
You have also ignored my question. What 40% does this help? There are 3 GMK sets I am aware of (Terminal, LedZep and Coniferous) that happen to contain R3 FN keys at all, and NONE of them are 1.75u keys. All are 1.25 or 1.5u as that is what 40% boards use. I'm not actually aware of a single GMK kit that has ever included a 1.75u FN key. I'm sure there is one though. So what is your argument? It should use a 1.75u R3 FN key so you can use it on R4 of a 40%? That's insane.
Also @MiTo to your earlier point. Many of us who use R3 Ctrl keys are used to having 3 of them on our boards without blockers. It looks unusual for these keys to not have matching legends. Plus, unless I'm missing something, for any board using the R3 Fn you will always have 3 of the same legend on board anyway as you will have both win keys and the fn key. And IMO, this is far worse than 3 ctrl keys, as at least with 3 ctrl keys they are actually all 3 control keys. With the FN key you have the R3 fn, the R4 win key and the R4 fn key all sharing the same legend. Unless I'm missing something the ONLY alternative there would be to also add novelties to replace the win keys.
I'm not trying to force you to do anything, I love the set either way, but you are WRONG. There are 2 different alternate caps lock keys, ctrl and fn. Ctrl is FAR more common, so why does the set use FN? To be honest, my suspicion is that YOU use FN there, because nothing else really makes sense to me. And if that's the case, tbh I'm fine with that. Like I said, I can deal with just using capslock. But don't act like it is the better choice because there will be 3 of the same legend, that happen regardless since FN and Win already share legends.
The one change I DO think you should make is convert the stepped key to a caps lock. Stepped keys for functional caps don't really make sense. I don't think stepped ctrl would make sense either.
Cyphre
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Nov 7, 2017
Amnesia1187In other words, you want more Control keys without having to buy more base kits. Unfortunately add-on kits don't include that key, or you can just get over it and use the given R3 key that has a grouping of modern, simplistic symbols, which it sounds like you are opposed to.
The comment on 40% has nothing to do with usage, and everything to do with 'niche layouts are niche layouts' but I guess that was missed in how I worded it. Point is the base kit has you covered, and novelty add-ons aren't there to satisfy your particular niche layout other than adapter kits specifically (International, Spacebars, etc).
Unfortunately when it comes to drops at this stage, kits are also final.
OracleKev
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Nov 7, 2017
Amnesia1187@MiTo one more vote on the BlockNet stepped key should be Caps Lock. The way it is now, full layout will look wrong with redundant pictograms on the bottom row.
CTRL vs FN, I lean toward CTRL, but could see it go either way.
Katakain
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Nov 7, 2017
Cyphrewas unfortunate I think blocknet wasn't shown until a day or 2 before the drop went live afaik, when people could find the page by searching. I could be wrong
Amnesia1187
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Nov 7, 2017
CyphreCept for all the times when kits have been changed mid drop...
Changing from 1 key to another in the same profile doesn't effect pricing cause they just change the legend plate in the mold before they make the keys. If anything the 1.75u fn key would cost more since I'm not actually sure if GMK currently HAVE a R3 1.75u legend plate.
I'd rather NOT pay for 1.75u FN keys that no one will use. If I have to use the caps lock key I will, but the FN key is worthless to almost everyone.
The icon mods CAN BE USED as an extension for the base kit, but in this instance, that is not their intended purpose, they were added specifically for the japanese modifiers:
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"if Hirigana turns out to be the actual option there will be icon modifiers to complete a minimal look".
The reason the kit includes all the keys it does is so you can use it on a 60% with the japanese kits without the base kit. Why else do you think they japanese kits include a spacebar that are also in the base kit? Doesn't make any sense for an extension.
Regardless, the base kit DOES NOT have me covered as I don't want English on my hiragana boards. I also don't want incorrectly duplicated legends. On boards with blockers I can use novelties in place of win keys / fn keys and then just use the "fn key" as a ctrl key. But with any normal 60/65%, I'm forced to choose which legends I want to have wrong.
If there was a reason for this, that would be fine, but the reason being the set includes a 1.75u fn key that like 4 ppl will actually use just doesn't make sense to me. If anything neither fn or ctrl should be included and it should just be assumed that the caps lock icon is whatever you want it to be. What I don't understand is paying for a key almost no one wants when there is a much more useful key that could take its place.
Had the icon mods been presented during the interest check, I'm sure this discussion would have already happened.
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Amnesia1187Lots of people actually use a R3 1.75u Fn, you’re being vocal as if it were a useless keycap. The Cyberdeck kit contains Fn, Caps Lock and Control so everyone is covered. The Blocknet kit contains Caps Lock and Fn because like I said Fn can act as both Fn and Control while Control only acts as Control. You have enough pictograms on the Blocknet kit to make your keyboard covered. 1.5u ALT and 1u Controls for the bottom row, Fn for the 1.75u Shift and then a 1.75u Fn or Caps Lock. You can interpret the pictograma the way you want, that’s the beauty of the design.
@OracleKev - The Blocknet kit wasn’t designed for full sizes or even TKLs, that’s why they only cover 60% layouts!
Joshimitsu
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Nov 7, 2017
MiTo I'm looking at building a board and I would want to replace Caps Lock with Fn so that key is much appreciated!
Amnesia1187
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Nov 7, 2017
MiToSo you are advocating this layout?

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I just realized I will actually end up with 4 of the same key on my board for 3 different things as I use split right shift and that would be another >__ key, on a 3rd row no less.
I think the thing you are ignoring is that I have Tsangan mods, not blockers. I can't use 1u controls with 1.5u controls, that would look awful. Only 2 of the 3 keys are offered in 1.5u, so there is no alternative.
So the ONLY option I have is to use 1.5u ctrl, 1u win/fn 1.5alt 7u 1.u alt 1u win/fn 1.5u ctrl. On the row above I will have another win/fn for my split shift and then I can either use caps lock, which while functional doesn't really make sense for me, or add a 4th fn key. For the boards with blockers, you are correct, there are alternatives, but there's not really any options at all if you use 7u on a standard 60%.
Hopefully the novelties make it to the lowest price so I can just buy 1 per board, that way I can at least use suns for win/fn keys and then fn and control won't match anything else. But it still doesn't make sense.
You also still didn't answer, why is the stepped key a FN key and not a capslock? That one makes no sense to me at all.
Either way, I'm done arguing. Why you want to go with the lesser used an completely non standard (for a gmk set) fn key over the control key (offered with just about every gmk set) is beyond me, but its your set to design. I do think you are ignoring some of the limitations of the compromises you made, but not much I can do.
To be honest what I really don't get is why you were so frugal with the sets, and number of kits, it would have been so easy to add a few keys or make 1 more kit and it all still would have hit moq. You are omitting odd things for no reason given the level of moqs your drops are hitting. Why I can't buy more purple spacebars is beyond me. Spacebars shine earlier than other keys, and this is a custom color so it's not like I can just go buy more of them. Spacebar kits never struggle to hit moq, especially not on MD, you could have just done a purple and a pink spacebar kit, and it woulda gone fine. Could've even omitted the non-standard spacebars from the base to drop the price there for people who only need 6.25u.
I am kinda tempted to hit up GMK and see what would be involved with running an extension pack in the same colors. Maybe bring back Caps Loco, do a pink icon enter, 7u purple spacebar, maybe the alternate 6u spacebar, do a blocknet iso enter (or both colors), the missing keys for full jis, 1 more r4 novelty for 65%, and I still wanna do a Cruise Control key lol. Probably not all of them, but I bet it wouldn't be that hard to sell some extensions and add the odd bunch of keys that are missing, i guess if nothing else I could probably do 1 key at a time out of pocket.
Anyway, I'm done. I'm very happy you got this set made, and I still plan to spend a bunch on it. I'm just disappointed what could have been a perfect set is not, and it's not for any particular reason, there is just stuff that is missing. Maybe red samurai will add the missing molds and then a complete set could be done in R2.
sevenseacat
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Nov 7, 2017
Amnesia1187I think the crux of the matter is - you want everything done perfectly to suit you, and that's not how group buys work.
Buy as many spacebars and other kits as you want or need, and sell the extra keys. Or, you know, don't.
OracleKev
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Nov 7, 2017
MiToI was going to use Blocknet on TKL with OG legends in the editing cluster--how I'm using Yuri Icon Mods. Weird, huh? Anyway, I see your point. Not a big deal. I could live with non-stepped Caps Lock.
Cakirrama
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Nov 7, 2017
MiTo@ MiTo Blocknet ISO Enter please!
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Amnesia1187> So you are advocating this layout?
Actually not, in that case I am advocating the layout below:
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If you have a Tsangan bottom row you still would be covered by the Blocknet kit, only thing you have to do is either use the Caps Lock pictogram or Fn pictogram for the 1.75u R3 keycap. If your are okay with having 3 CONTROL binds in your keyboard I of course do respect that, but don't expect such a niche product to cover your particular case. Lots of people who have a Tsangan bottom row (and not blockers) tend to bind the 1.75u R3 to either Fn or sometimes even Caps Lock. In the example above you can sort of see that (except the render features a 6.25u SPACEBAR and long right SHIFT). This of course will vary but since calls must be made I went with overall the more aesthetically pleasing one.
I understand your slightly frustrated tone overall, and lots of assumptions were made. But stay cool my friend this is just a hobby and a novelty product. Although some of your points are valid, because you are purchasing a high end product, I think you should take it easy and relax a little. Try to understand we are trying to please people on average.
> You are omitting odd things for no reason given the level of moqs your drops are hitting. Why I can't buy more purple spacebars is beyond me. Spacebars shine earlier than other keys [...]
From this paragraph I think you are getting a little anxious, assuming things again. Be sure that I know the situation regarding spacebars, we've done quite a bunch of projects already at this point. We are less than one week into this drop and it was mentioned countless times that we have complimentary drops consisting of special things incoming. While they may not feature exactly what you want, very nice and appealing options will be made available. Just be patient and enjoy the ride!
An extension like you suggest would cause more trouble than good, the manufacturer is focused on delivering things that are far more important than snowflake-y additions. Additions that would only increase the logistics complexity and overall price points of the drop - for a small upside in comparison, which is making a 100% perfect product for a small audience. We felt that the options made available are already near perfection and that the price tags were on point. This is why we chose to offer what you see.
In conclusion, have in mind that we need your support to deliver an awesome product and all feedback your provided was taken into consideration and was very much appreciated. But if you stress too much you'll only harm your mood, I hope you understand and of course thanks a lot for the support!
Amnesia1187
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Nov 7, 2017
sevenseacatWhat I want is it done perfectly to suit as many people as possible, even if that doesn’t include me and what I want. Please dont put words in my mouth. You act as if the 15 kits I named have caps lock control keys and not fn keys for no reason. It didn’t happen by accident. If you want to argue my thinking please go right ahead, but please don’t attack my character. Most of the things I mentioned are not things I want nor care about. I have no iso boards and no 6u boards. They are things that I support because others in the community do care about them.
Amnesia1187
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Nov 7, 2017
MiToJust to be clear. I’m not emotional in the slightest. I’m not mad or upset. Merely disappointed. I just by my nature like to make my opinion clear as I for whatever reason don’t like being misinterpreted. It’s a quirk, but I assure you while I may be verbose I am not at all upset with you. I’m a bit irked at sevenseacat as I don’t think his attack was necessary.
Regardless, my issue is just thay you are omitting things, not because people wouldn’t buy them, because they would, but because they might be expensive or fail. A failed GB costs nothing. And maybe with some luck enough people would buy them to keep the prices reasonable. What is the worst outcome? Some random extra extension doesn’t hit moq? So what, no harm no foul. Not every kit needs to hit moq every time.
This IS a niche product. Is it really so wrong if it is a bit expensive from time to time. I just don’t think things should be omitted just because some people might complain they are expensive. No one would be forced to buy anything. And as I said before, the worst thay happens as they miss moq. oh no :P
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Amnesia1187If you are not stressed than I actually feel pretty relieved. Because I don't recall previous interactions with you (lots of people come and go, hopefully you'll understand) I wasn't aware that's just the way you voice your opinions, so thanks for letting me know. I normally can relate nicknames and avatars to the actual people so we can have a better interaction, and understand each other points more rapidly.
In retrospect, perhaps we should have gone with an even more aggressive strategy, making more molds, adding more colors, more novelties, etc. But to be honest I think we are already pioneering quite a lot of things and the overall complexity of the project is already sky high.
DustyMeats
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Nov 7, 2017
MiTo> "...the manufacturer is focused on delivering things that are far more important than snowflake-y additions"
I might argue that the BlockNet kit is snowflake-y itself, since it lacks the flexibility that standard modifiers from GMK usually include, e.g.: the Row3 Control key. I think this is the point that @Amnesia1187 is trying to make.
I will agree that they are just abstract pictograms, but you have done such a stellar job, that their meanings are intuitive and clear at a glance (once the end-user grasps the patterns utilized). Therefore, I'd also argue that substituting one pictogram for another lessens the simplistic beauty of the design. It's like swapping two sentences in a haiku... it may still read fine, but it's wrong and we all know it. Personally, it's going to create an "itch" for me, like the awful alignment of the legends on the angle brackets in Godspeed.
Amnesia1187
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Nov 7, 2017
DustyMeatsExactly, the great thing about most GMK kits is how much coverage/versatility you get. This feels much more like kits that would be used for SP, but without any extra kits for the coverage like SP would have. It's something like 8 keys from having substantially better coverage for many kits.
If iso makes the blocknet set too big and expensive for example, make a blocknet extension, worst case it doesn't hit moq or is expensive. I can still achieve a look that works, just not one that is perfect.
tent
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Nov 8, 2017
Amnesia1187I just wanted to add that a possible solution is to add the additional key(s?) on the condition that a new drop point is hit, then just not lowering the price as much as initially planned.
This way you can change the set without ever actually increasing the price, while gaining the funding needed for the extra caps.
I feel like this is just beating a dead horse at this point, but @MiTo, I hope you'll consider it. Blocknet is sorely missing R3 CONTROL and ISO ENTER.
VinS
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Nov 8, 2017
Amnesia1187 It's comnmon that designers of keycaps don't care much about 60% HHKB layout users and 40% ortholinear layout users. That's why I don't buy kits like these no matter how beautiful they are. I have to spend much money but only I can get imperfect sets even they are small extension kits. I can understand beacuse we are still minorities maybe.
DustyMeats
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Nov 8, 2017
VinSWhile this may be true, it certainly doesn't apply to this situation. In this case, the kit was specifically designed for 60% users.
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Which strengthens @Amnesia1187 's argument that some very common layouts were neglected in the final design.
Iredeus
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Nov 8, 2017
DustyMeatsTo be fair, the base kit has good compatibility, its only this secondary mod set that is lacking.
VinS
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Nov 8, 2017
DustyMeatsI didn't mention "60% users", I did mention "60% HHKB layout users." But you're right, I think Amnesia1187's argument is more convincing. It's not easy for designers to consider all 60% layouts. They have to consider many possible combinations of keycaps and GMK keycaps make work more complicated because they have different heights. But HHKB layout is kinda famous though, that's why I wrote, they don't care "much", it doesn't mean care "nothing". No offense, I respect designers like Mito, and he did a great job.
DustyMeats
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Nov 8, 2017
VinS@VinS Oops, sorry about that. I was too hasty with my reply.
VinS
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Nov 8, 2017
DustyMeatsIt's ok, my English is not that good so anyone can misunderstand. Thank you for the kind comments.
Kiryu
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Nov 8, 2017
MiTo
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“If a technological feat is possible, man will do it. Almost as if it's wired into the core of our being.” - Major Motoko Kusanagi
MiTo
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KiryuSimply amazing, can you deliver something pixel art like this using this checkers background here?
1920 x780

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Kiryu
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Nov 8, 2017
MiToheya just got in...will give it a go now.
Kiryu
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Nov 8, 2017
MiTo*Enhance!*
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“All things change in a dynamic environment. Your effort to remain what you are is what limits you.” - Puppet Master ---- -HQ file here: https://1drv.ms/i/s!AibRA59Hm3y1hwMcdkDSeRM9sKow
-planck wallpapers for laser, canvas, granite here: https://imgur.com/a/CaUHO#jqwGxwS
MiTo
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KiryuYou guys are crazy wizards, wow!
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Data
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Nov 9, 2017
KiryuTotally rad.
SifakaMon
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Nov 9, 2017
KiryuAll ortholinear keyboards must be rendered in orthographic projection, naturally!
KM1337
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Nov 9, 2017
MiTototally bought "Hands on Deck" this morning - cant wait to get it!!!!
Kiryu
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Nov 9, 2017
SifakaMonSomeone got it!
MiTo
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KM1337Thank you very much for the support, hope you enjoy it!
Seared
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Nov 10, 2017
MiToDo you have a picture of an Ergodox with Gaijin/Kobe?
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SearedUnfortunately not, working on other layouts for now.
KM1337
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Nov 10, 2017
MiToJust got a chance to read the short story and I must say I really enjoyed it! Reading it gave a sense of nostalgia, like of some of the shows I've watched "back when". Looking forward to a, continuation? Perhaps film adaptation? A VIDEO GAME?! KKKEEEEYYYYY CCAAAAAPPPPPSSS??? In short, Def worth the $upport to the creators :D
Posters are pretty neat-o too :) Super excited to get those printed out, def putting some up in muh workplace, fer sher.
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KM1337Thank you very much for the contribution, makes us happy that you enjoyed the story! I also enjoyed it a lot!
At49ers
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Nov 10, 2017
MiToAny one know what that last unavailable item in the laser shoppo is going to be or when it'll drop?
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At49ersNext week!
KM1337
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Nov 10, 2017
MiToSweet! When is it going to drop though? I cant wait to get my Next Week!
Widabo
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Nov 11, 2017
MiToGod DAMN is it hard to build planck set out of these. Here's my best try:
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As you can see, I had to use keys on their incorrect profiles, use arrow keys for different purposes, etc. because there aren't enough keys for rows 2 and 3 and I had to improvise. Is there any way I can get the modifier keys from the bottom of the Cyberdeck image? I'd just buy cyberdeck but I don't want the plain roman legends and I'd prefer Gaijin. I just want the proper keys for backspace, ctrl, shift, alt, etc.. I'd love to use blocknet instead but there're no 1u enter, 1u row 2 backspace, 1u shift, etc.
MiTo
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WidaboI'm not sure what's the goal of your post, but that's a dope looking Planck!
Widabo
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Nov 11, 2017
MiToI was pointing out how difficult it is to build a planck set and was wondering if it's possible to get the extra modifiers from the cyberdeck set. Also just advice for future drops for this set if you do it again or in a different profile, it'd be nice to have more planck-friendly kits.
climbalima
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Nov 11, 2017
WidaboOr you could just use the ergodox kit that has Planck coverage..
zzzaacchh
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WidaboI'm sure there's going to be some people selling the 1u mods from cyberdeck when they get it.
equalunique
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Nov 14, 2017
KiryuProps on the Motoko quote. I'm pretty excited to see an Individual Eleven cap in the Mitowaves child kit.
jrjr2
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Nov 14, 2017
zzzaacchhdont count on that. People are not to eager to split up base-kits. Spacebar kit, euro kit etc are fine for splitting up, but not base.
elFick
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Nov 14, 2017
MiTo@MiTo Is there a high res version of the GMK layout image? The image from the OP of the GH IC is nice but doesn't seem to be current. Thanks!
elFick
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Nov 14, 2017
Iris3
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Nov 15, 2017
MiToIs there any way to order 2 "child sets" without adding a second order? I want to get the base cyberdeck, mitowaves, and the spacebars. I have a order for the cyberdeck and mitowave, but when i try to edit the transaction on my account, there is only one drop down menu for the "child set"
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Iris3You must click on Add Another Order, does that make sense?
TanvirK175
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Nov 15, 2017
Iris3As MiTo said, click Add Another Order and then select No Thanks for the Base Kit option and select whatever you want for the child kit.
Iris3
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Nov 15, 2017
MiToSo are they going to charge me shipping twice if I try to get a spacebar set? Cause if I try to add another order, they add shipping fee to that order too. I guess I will just do it and see.
zzzaacchh
Nov 15, 2017
Iris3Are you adding it in your transactions? or on the drop page?
Iris3
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Nov 15, 2017
zzzaacchhI got it. If you add it in the transaction page you don't get the extra shipping charge. If you add it in the drop page, you do. thanks!
Widabo
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Nov 15, 2017
MiToIn addition to my suggestion for adding planck support (or simply more row 2 and 3 1u keys), you should add some novelty keys for various hacker operating systems to mitowaves next time, like row 4 kali linux and arch linux keys that can be used as your OS key.
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elmur
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Nov 16, 2017
Widaboya its hard max keys and gmk sets ignore the planck never matching rows with legends
elFick
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Nov 16, 2017
WidaboKinda hard to justify adding novelty keys for an OS that didn't even exist until the 90s into an 80s keyset. I do like the idea, but they definitely don't fit in this set. :)
elFick
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Nov 16, 2017
elmurLaser gets close, only really missing a raise and lower for the default planck layout in cyberdeck.
Widabo
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Nov 16, 2017
elFickI'm just using the down, up, and right arrow keys from Blocknet for lower, raise, and enter, respectively. You can see in my original post.
Widabo
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Nov 16, 2017
elFickThere are plenty of references in the mitowaves pack that aren't from the 80's. To name a few: -011 (El's tattoo in Stranger Things) -Trueno (the type of car in Initial D) -Bitcoin
elFick
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Nov 16, 2017
WidaboWell, the 011 is a meta reference, the show being set in the 80s. I didn't even notice the Trueno, had to look up the reference though as I'm completely unfamiliar with it. Is it set in the 80s? Yah, I definitely don't get the bitcoin reference though, got me on that one. :)
Widabo
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Nov 16, 2017
elFickInitial D was made and set in the 90's. Bitcoin isn't really a reference to anything other than Bitcoin itself, which is a cryptocurrency used in the real world and it praised for its anonymity, decentralization, and convenience. It wasn't created until 2009, and didn't get big until a few years ago.
zzzaacchh
Nov 16, 2017
elFickYeah, the ¥ symbol might make more sense.
Nickk
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Nov 16, 2017
Widabo@elFick @Widabo bitcoin and cryptocurrency in general has it's roots in cyberpunk
Widabo
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Nov 16, 2017
NickkOh I agree, but my point is that it's not from the 80's either and elFick seems to think that only 80's things are allowed in this keyset.
Nickk
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Nov 16, 2017
WidaboDevil's advocate: obviously not bitcoin, but the foundations of cryptocurrency were laid in the 80s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Chaum#Digital_cash
elFick
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Nov 16, 2017
WidaboI wouldn’t characterize my statement as “allowed” or not, as that’s only for Mito to say. I was just pointing out that it was an 80s themed key set and that I didn’t see that they really fit. I checked the IC and Bitcoin wasn’t originally included so I’d guess it was a last minute add to make up for some that got dropped. Trueno was there though. Only Mito could say why.
Widabo
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Nov 16, 2017
elFickI don't think of this keyset as necessarily being an "80's keyset" and more as being a cyberpunk keyset. Now, since cyberpunk was founded and had the height of its life in the 80's, the two kinda blend together but I think that something that's cyberpunk and wasn't in the 80's would still fit.
Amnesia1187
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Nov 16, 2017
WidaboTo be fair, while the show may have been 90s, the Trueno was definitely 80s:
https://www.carthrottle.com/post/aj9qmjg/
The specific years of production were 1983 -> 1987
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WidaboThe entire keyset is designed after the 80s and cyberpunk aesthetics. Observing the novelties, if you don’t understand a reference that’s because you’re either unfamiliar with 80s/cyberpunk or it’s from the short story.
Cakirrama
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Nov 16, 2017
MiToStill no update on Blocknet ISO Enter-key?
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CakirramaI already said a couple times that GMK is not going to provide this mold...
Theodoooore
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Nov 16, 2017
MiToIs the best way to get a second ISO enter for blocknet to buy the Euro kit and then sell on the actual euro keys themselves?
jrjr2
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Nov 17, 2017
TheodooooreEither that or base-kit. Both will sell on mm without ISO enter.
Euro kit will be a harder sell though. Even without ISO enter, base kit for 180 shouldnt be any problems.
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TheodooooreI think so, or the Cyberdeck kit. Pretty sure lots of people will be after those in the aftermarket.
sevenseacat
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Nov 17, 2017
MiTowhat about a pink blocknet enter? :D
Amnesia1187
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Nov 17, 2017
sevenseacatoh how i wish. then i wouldn't even mind the lack of a purple spacebar kit (well im still annoyed just cause i'd love replacements since spacebars wear fastest) but i'm gonna guess no like everything else lol.
jrjr2
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Nov 17, 2017
Amnesia1187i would like 7u purple spacebar too, since i mainly use WKL, One for base-kit is fine, but want to use with gaijin or kobe.
gtho
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Nov 17, 2017
MiToIs there a way to see the key unit length on the Blocknet kit?
MiTo
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Nov 17, 2017
gthoWhich keycap would you like to know the size?
gtho
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Nov 17, 2017
MiToI have a HHKB2 so basicly is there any 1.75 and 2.25 keys? Looking at the image it seems like it but i just wanted to make sure.
equalunique
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Nov 17, 2017
Widabo@MiTo A NixOS novelty key would be divine!
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MiTo
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Nov 17, 2017
Yes, more things are coming. I was aiming for something today but it will be postponed to next week. There’s another drop incoming too, and other nice stuff to follow!
MiTo
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Nov 17, 2017
gthoYes, SHIFTS, ENTER, FNs, you’re covered so long you have MX sliders.
Bpendragon
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Nov 17, 2017
MiToMFW blocknet protocol still won't connect and I keep re-verifying the module and nothing happens.
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(I just want to know what Pho's Noodles is trying to sell me :P)
Theodoooore
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Nov 17, 2017
MiToOhoho, a *second* base kit?
I like the way you and jrjr2 think.
Cyphre
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Nov 17, 2017
TheodooooreBase kits are easy sells with pretty consistent prices in the aftermarket. So long as you have up front capital, it's easy profit later on.
At49ers
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Nov 19, 2017
MiTo
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gtho
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Nov 20, 2017
MiToSo Blocknet + Kobe supports full HHKB2 layout? Minus the spacebar.
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Nov 20, 2017
gthoYes friend!
gtho
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Nov 20, 2017
MiToCheers!
Kimmy
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Nov 21, 2017
MiTo Sir,are Both Latin legends and Japanese legends doubleshot for the Gaijin kit ?
Hexadecatrienoic
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Nov 21, 2017
Kimmyyes.
Kimmy
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Nov 21, 2017
HexadecatrienoicThank Sir.Do you know these keycaps are color code or color style?
MiTo
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Nov 22, 2017
KimmyCan you please rephrase this question my buddy?
At49ers
19
Nov 22, 2017
MiToWhen are we getting the last item in the shoppo?
BlueCrowned
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Nov 22, 2017
MiToMaybe asking for hex code? I'd be interested too for LED coordination purposes
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Nov 23, 2017
At49ersKeep an eye out, I’ll be making the announcement once we are live!
l3nnys
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Nov 24, 2017
MiToTop!
KM1337
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Nov 25, 2017
MiToDon't think i've watched any shows/movies in the last 2 years with as much anticipation and suspense as I have this freaking drop page for the last like 3 weeks. Tired of this slow part of the drop, wanna see some numbers move!
yanfali
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Nov 26, 2017
KM1337
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Nov 26, 2017
yanfali[Laughs and cries in Laser]
BlueCrowned
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Nov 26, 2017
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udller
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Nov 26, 2017
MiToIf the colverak kit had extra keys for gajin layout that would be pretty cool. The trippiest to learn on thought. :D
l3nnys
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Nov 28, 2017
udllerDitto!! Between the options in the side drop?? :D
Falmari
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Nov 29, 2017
MiToHmm. Do I add on Mitowaves just for the Ramen Cup and the extra green text accents or do I get Blocknet so along with the base and Gaijin I have two sets. Decisions.
Katakain
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Nov 29, 2017
Falmari
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Also reposting about adding to an order if using Paypal, for visibility https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-mito-gmk-laser-custom-keycap-set/talk/1868826
Amnesia1187
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Nov 29, 2017
FalmariBoth is the only possible solution.
MiTo$240,100.00 saved before the final price drop adjustment. Very very nice man! Congratulations @MiTo! Congrats myself and all others who joined :D
eapdangBased on the T-34 minute spreadsheet's numbers, Massdrop grossed $452,009.10 on this drop. MD would have grossed $864,941.10 without price drops (using each kit's max price). So one could say members saved $412,932.00 thanks to price drops!
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Nov 30, 2017
dvorcolCrazy how nature do dat.
Dorado
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Nov 30, 2017
MiToCongratulations with the (successful, i should say) drop end and thank you for creating this one! Can't wait for them to try out all the combinations i planned with it (i guess i will need much more boards than i have now).
And also, please promise me, that if you will ever going to make this in other profile, you will consider that new Matt3o's /dev/tty profile! I would love to see your masterpieces together (otaku-Kobe layout with large centered legends on spherical profile... ohh... sign me up any day of the week!) :)
Thanks again!
MiToWow order form for the artisan closed already. Is there any way we can be alerted for when the other shoppe items comes out? I was thinking they would be out at Massdrop and not at Geekhack. :-(
yanfali
1544
Dec 2, 2017
rowieIt sold out fast. Less than an hour. I got the email, popped into geekhack and it was gone already.
LevelSteam
Dec 2, 2017
yanfaliSame here. I would have liked to get my hands on a cybercore agent 88, but what are you gonna do? With any luck we'll see other Laser themed artisans available in time (a Laser Arc Reactor would be awesome).
MiTo
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Dec 3, 2017
rowieSubscribe to my newsletter!
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Late emails won’t happen again, I promise.
KM1337
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Dec 6, 2017
MiToHammer said something about a Laser themed Spinner Keycap... Any illumination to be offered as to when/where/if/how/maybe even why? I'd really like to get a Laser themed one that's not actually "Miami"themed... Not wanting to get Legacy'd here with the spinner keycap that I kinda want out now, only to find out the one I really want is just around the corner by the time it's too late... D:
MiTo
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Dec 6, 2017
KM1337Never heard of that!
KM1337
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Dec 6, 2017
MiToHMMMMM A CONSPIRACY...
Whelp, maybe we'll both be pleasantly surprised "s00n" with a curveball Laser spinner Keycap from out of nowhere. Just couldn't do the Bubblegum.. Too much pink, going to start overtaking the purple.
LevelSteam
Dec 6, 2017
KM1337I don't know...I feel like a fidget spinner keycap has no cohesive place in an 80s cyberpunk themed set.
KM1337
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Dec 6, 2017
LevelSteamI respect your opinion, and raise you my own: I don't think the fidget spinner keycap has any cohesive place in ANY keycap set, themed or not. Therefore, it won't fit in any worse with Laser :)
BlueCrowned
5305
Dec 6, 2017
LevelSteamNeither do some of the ones Suited Up offered, but they are still cool.
LevelSteam
Dec 6, 2017
KM1337Fair enough :)
KM1337
1881
Dec 6, 2017
LevelSteamMy main attraction to this keycap is not neccisarily that its a spinner, but that its an interactive keycap with a solid build. Not only that, but hammer confirmed he'd be releasing opensource 3d models (teased with interlocking gears) for people to make their own tops (and is even including a spare bearing for such) But because of it's modular nature.. Who says it has to be a top?
A rotating sign for Phos noodles would be p legit imho
LevelSteam
Dec 6, 2017
KM1337I love the noodle sign idea! I don't have the experience or resources to design something like that, but if I did, I would.
I actually just turned our spare bathroom into a makeshift painting booth to seal up my stickerbombed board lol.
KM1337
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Dec 6, 2017
LevelSteamI find myself more and more saying "If I had only invested in a 3d printer..." - I've tried my hand at casting keycaps, but I too lack the time/resources to commit to these projects to achieve the level of perfection I have in my head.
Interested to see how the board turns out!
LevelSteam
Dec 6, 2017
KM1337I'll post something when it's done-done, but that won't be for a bit since I'm waiting on an amazing artisan from ProjectKey
KM1337
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Dec 7, 2017
MiToHow long do you think before we start getting updates from GMK? Like pics of more samples and so forth? Really excited to see what non-rendered Laser looks like.
BlueCrowned
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Dec 7, 2017
KM1337I think @MiTo had a few prototype photos
KM1337
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Dec 7, 2017
BlueCrownedYeah but those were from months ago, and it was what, one Esc key and a few blanks? I wanna see Nov keys and Gaijin alpha's and stuff.
BlueCrowned
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Dec 7, 2017
KM1337you sure are needy
LevelSteam
Dec 7, 2017
KM1337That won't be happening for a while I'd wager. The group buy just wrapped up on this so we'll have to be patient for a few more weeks before we see any production samples coming out.
Rapsky
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Dec 7, 2017
MiToShow how Kobe looks in a 96 key set up :)
KM1337
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Dec 7, 2017
BlueCrownedI SURE DO NEEDY MY LASER.
KM1337
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Dec 7, 2017
LevelSteamWith that being said, we already were shown some samples as mentioned, so I am hoping that since those passed few months, additional samples were produced, or at least were planned to be produced. Sure the GB just wrapped up, but Laser's been 'in the works' for a LONG time.
BlueCrowned
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Dec 7, 2017
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TanvirK175
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Dec 7, 2017
KM1337I think Nautilus got extra sample caps about 6-8 weeks in and a picture of a full tray about 4 months in. I could be wrong. Been a while since I checked since I'm not part of that drop.
LevelSteam
Dec 7, 2017
KM1337It's true that Laser has been in the works for a long time, but other than some color samples GMK isn't going to start really producing stuff until after the group buy concluded. I think @TanvirK175 has a reasonable estimation for the timeline, but all we can do is keep watching Mito's site along with the thread here and on Geekhack.
I'm pretty eager to see how Kobe looks myself so I'm just as anxious for this as everyone else :)
killyou
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Dec 8, 2017
LevelSteamI wish we could still modify orders, I regret not getting Kobe ;(
LevelSteam
Dec 8, 2017
killyouI kind of regret not getting a base kit just for the numpad, but my wallet says that Kobe, Blocknet, and Mitowaves were enough.
killyouI hear you, but can you imagine the chaos Massdrop would be in if they allowed that?
TanvirK175
1101
Dec 8, 2017
LevelSteamI added in Cyberdeck and Spacebars in the last few days, just in case. No need to regret it later on. My credit card statement isn't looking very pretty though.
jrjr2
763
Dec 8, 2017
killyouI think this is a good lesson for next drop, if you're undecisive about something, it's always better to overbuy. If you dont want it when it arrives, you can sell it for 150% but if you was in opposite spot, youd pay the same premium.
killyou
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Dec 9, 2017
jrjr2Yeah I wanted to buy both but I don't like wasting time getting rid of things I don't need. On the other side I'll be angry so this is a loss-loss situation haha.
supermunny
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Dec 9, 2017
LevelSteamI will most likely be selling/trading my numpad on /r/mechmarket, I'd imagine a few others will do too.
Tenzo
129
Jan 25, 2018
supermunnyI’ll be shopping for these for sure. The drop was bad timing for me, but I’m looking for the base set, mitowaves, & spacebar.
Msg me on reddit if you want to set something up /u/nzox
BlueCrowned
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Jan 25, 2018
TanvirK175I like your new icon.
TanvirK175
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Jan 25, 2018
BlueCrownedLikewise. I've just been appreciating from far. When I found this gif, it was love at first sight.
KM1337
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Mar 13, 2018
MiTo~75 days till ship date, any production samples to share yet? :3 @MiTo
MiTo
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Mar 16, 2018
KM1337We have had samples since the interest check, there are pictures on my Instagram and they also were sent to several partners for the commissions!
We went through over 20 different keycap colors, lots of testing and experimentation in order to nail the tones.
One color is still pending, the alphas base. We gonna confirm it very soon, there’s a big batch coming. Production for kits that do not have this color already started and it’s going strong and looking good!
rymac
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Mar 16, 2018
MiTo"Production for kits that do not have this color already started"

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elFick
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Mar 16, 2018
rymacHeh heh, don't let your mind get too blown... Only Blocknet and Ergo don't have the alpha base color. :)
MiTo
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elFickI should have worded myself better, they are producing everything but alphas. All other keycaps are getting done already!
BlueCrowned
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Mar 16, 2018
MiToI don't see the pics on your Instagram, can you post them here?
KM1337
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Mar 16, 2018
MiToThat's exciting.
elFick
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Mar 16, 2018
MiToI kinda suspected this might be the case based on what little I know about how the keys are manufactured, but I wanted to avoid any unnecessary mind blowing. @rymac , you may now proceed with having your mind blown. :D
rymac
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Mar 16, 2018
elFickTo be honest, I was excited even when I thought it was only a small amount of sets being produced.
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