Support for Alternative Layouts
This is a summary of how alternative layouts have been supported by kits such as Colevrak and Homing. It is not a discussion of alt layout performance and development, but if that interests you I highly recommend starting with Pascal Getreuer’s A guide to alt keyboard layouts (why, how, which one?). It’s a concise and comprehensive overview with links to some great sites that go deeper. He also has a separate Links about keyboards page. The Keyboard layouts doc he recommends explains layout goals and metrics in detail, summarizing the alt layouts discussed here as well as more than one hundred others. Sculpted-profile The majority of custom keycap sets are sculpted-profile (Cherry, SA, MT3, KAT, etc. - more on profiles generally here) so let’s start there. Because each row has a unique keycap shape, alt layouts require a unique keycap for each legend that moves off its QWERTY row. At first there were two The Dvorak layout was patented in 1936 by August Dvorak & William L....
Apr 23, 2024
More recently I posted a request regarding information on Massdrops suppliers, I would like MiTo to share information on who is providing the Aluminum and PCBs for this build. I would also appreciate transparency regarding the cost of the hardware in the board. Both Massdrop and Mito have not replied to my requests for transparency.
This is the same item as the ALT keyboard, yet the group buy costs for either batch will not be influenced by each other. This is a basic PCB, acrylic plate and aluminum housing, how much do these materials cost? Are we talking 15% margin? 30%?
At $139 without keycaps we are looking at a $100 in material costs if we are talking a 30% margin, which is hand over fist profit for a retail outlet. There is no way the material costs are so high... $10 tops per item, maybe $50 in material costs... fuck it, go half the cost of the board $75... we are talking 38k in profit at 500 sales for what amounts to collecting orders, contacting vendors, placing the purchase order, and delivering parts.
People who think this kind of reward is reasonable have never run a small business. We are being taken advantage of, these profits are unheard of in the retail market.
Massdrop, I am disappointed in your failure to respond. I feel there needs to be a campaign inside the community to correct your profiteering on the back of a hobby that everyone should be able to enjoy.
If you are really interested, go download a cad file of a keyboard case and see if you can find find a machine shop that can make it. You'll likely find quotes of 400 dollars just for the machining.
Keep backpedalling. You're making yourself look like at best uninformed, at worst an idiot.
Of course it is going to cost an arm and a leg for a one off production of a case. The setup is the most expensive part of the machining. Which is why I am frustrated. At this point in time, if massdrop is going to take on the venture of manufacturing electronic components (headphones and keyboards) they are hopefully doing it correct.
Hopefully they understand how to scale production and make the most money out of large orders. I do not know if massdrop carries inventory, but it seems like common sold items (headphones knives and now mech keyboards) are being acquired in some batch process for a better price.
If massdrop is doing things like removing the associated costs with carrying inventory and having any type of customer service, maybe they could bring transparency to the table in regard to their supplier and part costs.
After using massdrop for a while now most of my popular drops have been delayed, I have not joined a drop that actually presented any cost savings over conventional amazon, and I am only signing up for one of a kind hype products that are poor quality.
I have 3 pair of massdrop headphones ranging from 9.99, 39.99, 150.... they are all broken. Any time you ask massdrop for help the answer will be "sorry we cannot do anything but we can cancel your order."
In the end, to each their own, if you want to defend the business... cool. However, after recent interactions, sales, and my current experience with their delivery and products, I have done a 180 on the service and am here to ask for more.
Nobody here is in obligation to answer you at any particular time, not the community members, me included, nor Massdrop themselves. Let alone disclose details or costs for you, but you can be sure they are much higher than you think. Like another member suggested you can go ahead and design a product if you can, source enthusiast grade materials, work with international manufacturers and suppliers, setup teams and distribution within global reach, customer service, quality control procedures and logistic schemes, in case you really want to have a general idea about the actual costs behind a project of this magnitude and business model.
Massdrop’s operation is in compliance with the legislation, the company itself and the agencies that regulate fair trading and labor laws (not only in the US but overseas too) are doing and will keep doing their job when it comes to ensuring an adequate working environment for the employees. Otherwise projects like the ALT wouldn’t kick off to begin with.
There’s no space for hate and grit here, we are a passionate and dedicated mechanical keyboard community of hobbyists. Nowadays it’s no big deal for me to step away from a discussion when I see it’s going nowhere. This is clearly what’s going on so I won’t address to you further. I strongly suggest that you try to find another hobby and a passion to consume your heart as you seem to have a lot of stress and impatience in the head right now. Godspeed.
You just answered yourself. Think about it. The Pok3r is about half the cost of this because they made a shit ton more (between 10K and 100K units, while this board struggles to get over 1K) and that (the pok3r) comes with an aluminum case, RGB, and doubleshot caps.
No one owes you any information if you are comfortable backing this project then leave, you aren’t entitled to info on suppliers or material costs or anything else. Do you do the same thing when you go buy a new phone find all the suppliers and make sure that your phone isn’t marked up more than 30%? Of course you don’t so just go away and stop making everyone miserable having to read your asinine comments.
Good lord massdrop needs a block feature.
This statement "Last thing I could care about at this point is being insulted by anyone over the Internet, but I realized you had more serious problems that needed to be addressed the moment you decided to run a dirty mouth" is a representation of your inability to handle this situation. Answer the questions and move on, we do not need a novel written in the style of your personal diary.
Again, toughen up bud, you're making money... how bout you answer the questions rather than typing a lot of nothing to deflect the question. Who are your suppliers, what is the cost of the raw material?
I don't know why you would need to be blocked from this mundane discussion regarding simple economics. I think it is a healthy discussion where defenders of MiTo make sure I avoid personal insults and trash anything negative I have to say about their dream.
Again, who are the suppliers and what is the cost of the material? People need to ask these questions for their own good.
No one owes you any information
The terms make an enormous difference to the argument. Maybe you should learn the difference before you continue to say things that don’t make sense and then argue with people about how they are the ones who are wrong.
Again, if you do not like the conversation, do not read it.