Hello, I just joined, primarily for the audiophile products. Looking at purchasing the NHT C3 speakers for our new living room. Space is about 15 feet wide by 33 long and they will fire long ways. Space is just for general listening, music room with all equipment is downstairs, so hoping they will fill it with sound nicely. Cheers.
Mar 18, 2024
Considering the target for these seems to be transportable reference closed headphone you can take with you the Ether CX seems like a solid offering. If I am like others buying these I will be driving them with portable source gear - not the home gear that drives my Ether Flow 1.1, HD6XX, and others. Keeping that in mind, I don't think what I'm "missing" from the full Flow C will be an issue, and certainly not worth the extra cost for me. Also, Dan has stated that there are no plans for an Ether 2 C in the immediate future, so that argument is out the window.
For what it's worth, I have owned Monoprice planars before (M560) and currently own Ether Flow 1.1 opens. My Ethers started out as the original Ether open, then were upgraded to the Flow, and I just upgraded them to 1.1 level last week. The upgrade cost for the 1.1 update was nominal ($30), but I have no doubt Dan spent hours tweaking the tuning to get it right - that time costs money. That being said, I wouldn't underestimate the difference tuning has made with the Ether CX. The original Ether C was a TOTL closed headphone even before the Ether C Flow was released, so I personally feel that $900 for these with the updated pads and years of updated tuning Dan has done with this platform is a reasonable price.
I have no doubt the Elegia will be good, but probably a very different sound than the Ether CX. Different is different, not better. The Eleiga is Focal's first shot at a closed headphone I believe, so it's uncharted territory for them. I am confident in what Dan and MrSpeakers can produce after going through "the Ether evolution" with my opens, so I am fine jumping onboard for the first run of these.
As for hearing the CX, I didn't think anyone has yet? They are brand new and it sounds like they didn't make it to RMAF last weekend like planned. According to Dan the CX is the same driver diaphragm as the C Flow, but without the Flow technology in the motor. He also said the CX "has its own rear damping system and the response differs" from the original C. The 1.1 upgrade for the C Flow just changes the damping in front (and port tuning), so if the CX has tweaked rear damping it could end up being a nice step up from the original C. I personally thought the original C was a little too flat for my taste, so if the CX is a "warmer" C I will enjoy it. Dan built a business tweaking the Fostex T50 platform so I have no doubt he worked his magic with the CX. We shall see!
That being said, it’s true that there’s some over estimation when it comes to pricing but I can understand that, giving how much time and money was spent to develop the product..
And also agree on the argument you made about Mrspeakers Ether C and Ether C Flow. Ether C are extremely good and the difference between them and the Flow isn’t that big of a deal.
I can't speak to the CX tuning changes but the new pads alone made a significant difference for my open Ether Flows. I ordered the updated pads when I ordered the 1.1 upgrade and compared the old pads to the newer firmer memory foam - substantial difference. Considering what just a pad and tuning/damping change did to my Ether Flow opens I am excited to hear how the Ether CX improves on the original Ether C.
If the Ether CX gives 80-90% of the Ether C Flow performance at nearly half the price I'll be happy! I have heard the closed Aeon before and there is just something I find more "natural" sounding about the larger Ether driver.
I'm personally still interested in this drop as I would love to own a TOTL closed back planar. I just realistically don't know how much I would pick them over the Elegia or Elex.
" Sorry to those who visited us at RMAF to hear the CX. We had a double failure, I left the unit on the measuring rig before leaving for the show, and then it got shipped for Saturday delivery and didn't show up. "
There are a few references in on here to people who supposedly heard them at RMAF, but nobody on HF or SBAF has posted feedback yet. Unless somebody else brought them to RAMF I don't see how anybody has heard the Ether CX yet?
Regardless, as is the case with most things in the audiophile world, this will come down to a different and not necessarily better discussion. If you like the sound of dynamic drivers you will probably prefer the Focals - if you like planars you will probably prefer the MrSpeakers. I have not heard either the Elegia or the Ether CX yet, but my preference tends towards planars, hence me taking the plunge on these unheard. Based on lots of well documented Ether C reviews I suspect the Ether CX will be at least equal to anything else in their price range. At the very least they probably won't have the initial quality issues a couple of Elegia owners seem to have encountered.
Not trying to start a pissing contest but I was just sharing what others have heard and our impressions. I'm listening to the Elegia now. I had Aeon Flow Closed's in the past (which the CX has a lot in common with) and much prefer the Focal's.
Also, I'm unaware of any issues with the Elegia that aren't anecdotal. They've literally not even been out a week and I am having a hard time finding any info on this with my weak Google-fu.
I appreciate the sound of the Focals I've heard from a technical perspective but I personally am not partial to their sound signature. There is no denying they are a great headphone, but for whatever reason my taste seems to tend towards planars - T50 MK3, M560, Mobius, and my EFO1.1. Regardless, until there are comprehensive reviews of the ECX it is hard to make an absolute judgement that headphone X is better than them. I will say from a purely aesthetic perspective I prefer the ECX to the Elegia. To me the carbon fiber back of the ECX looks nicer than the dimpled plastic of the Elegia - again, personal preference.
As for Elegia "issues" noted here: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-mrspeakers-ether-cx-closed-headphones/talk/2227836 https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-mrspeakers-ether-cx-closed-headphones/talk/2232786
Elegia is faster detail in highs,mid and bass, bass comes in when it neeeds to, closer sound stage, good noise isolation closedback, more comfortable, easy to drive, makes some older songs sound crappy because of crappy recordings, pads get warm after 2hrs, expensive price for detailed closebacks(France QC) that almost sound planar for a dynamic driver.
He4xx has sparkly warm highs, great planar wide soundstage but lacks some detail in mids, bass is wider and lacks some detail, easy to drive and makes every genre old/ new sound fun, pads get warm after 30mins, feels heavier, high valve for cheap cost for sound with China QC.
For fun sound, value the he4xx wins hands down. For higher detail sound the elegia wins but is the elgia worth 4.5× the price of 1 he4xx? Hell no to most people but elegia is more superior in sound. For me I would have to say yes and no. I love the he4xx and elegia equally its like apple and oranges. I dont care where theyre both made but both are awesome headphones to get. You wont regret it. You gotta spend a little to live a little. Hope this helps.
I haven't heard the Elegia but the feedback over on Head-Fi about Elegia combined with some of the assessments here is about what I expected for the Focal "house sound". Some of the comments about the Elegia say they sound a bit "forward" or "audiophile". This tracks with my personal experience of the Clear versus the Ether Flow... The Clear was very good, but the Ether Flow was just more musical to my ears.
I definitely agree that the audiophile hobby is one of diminishing returns though. Something like the HE-4XX will probably get you 90% of the sound, and getting that last 10% typically costs exponentially more. If you are coming from the HE-4XX the Ether CX may be more your preference, but both are likely good options. I am definitely looking forward to February and my Ether CX though :)
As for the Ether CX, I expect they will be a pretty decent step up from the HE-4XX based on what I remember hearing of the HE-400I (also at Axpona). To your point of comfort, I expect you will be really happy with the Ether CX when you get them. Part of the selling point for me with the Ether in the first place was comfort (as well as being relatively amplifier friendly). The new Ether 2 is even lighter still, but I don't see myself making that upgrade. That being said, I will definitely be trying them out at Axpona in the spring :)