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A community member
Nov 24, 2016
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Kinda misleading to say these are American made when the only thing about them made in the US is the case. :-/
A community member
Nov 24, 2016
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koolpepThe drivers are not made in the US and assembly is not done in the US. I've done a lot of research on Noble because that's an extremely important thing to me.
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Nov 25, 2016
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Shyan
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Nov 25, 2016
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So...Noble X is assembled in Thailand? Not that there are any issue with my K10UA which is one of the best built, beautifully made universals in the market...marketing claims not withstanding...and the X are using similar shell and assembly.
But still, I am interested to know where these are hand assembled?
But still, I am interested to know where these are hand assembled?
koolpep
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Nov 25, 2016
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PeterRYes correct but that was written a while ago. Here is a more recent statement from the Wizard himself about the latest models : http://www.head-fi.org/t/813979/noble-audio-introducing-katana/75#post_12719526
Quote. Essentially all the parts are made in the USA or come from USA owned mfg, (housing, socket, drivers) and the parts suppliers, for the most part are USA mfg as well. The cable internal wire is from Japan, ultimately it is difficult to get the 100% made in America pedigree these days. Unquote.
In the end if you strive for the best product you have to make compromises. You want the best BA drivers and the only US company that is in that business produces overseas - what can you do? Still better than choosing a non-American company - if that is important to you.
In the US there is no rule as to what constitutes Made in the USA. In other countries (Made in Germany, Swiss Made, Made in Japan) you can carry this moniker when 50-60% of the value of the product are generated in that country. For noble this is easily more than that. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_in_USA
Quote. Essentially all the parts are made in the USA or come from USA owned mfg, (housing, socket, drivers) and the parts suppliers, for the most part are USA mfg as well. The cable internal wire is from Japan, ultimately it is difficult to get the 100% made in America pedigree these days. Unquote.
In the end if you strive for the best product you have to make compromises. You want the best BA drivers and the only US company that is in that business produces overseas - what can you do? Still better than choosing a non-American company - if that is important to you.
In the US there is no rule as to what constitutes Made in the USA. In other countries (Made in Germany, Swiss Made, Made in Japan) you can carry this moniker when 50-60% of the value of the product are generated in that country. For noble this is easily more than that. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_in_USA
PeterR
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Nov 25, 2016
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koolpepI was curious about @Shagatron's claims and wanted some sources as it piqued my interest, thanks for the info
A community member
Nov 25, 2016
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Sorry, but I'll take what is officially on their website over a social media post. And I'll take actually American made products over shipping my money overseas to probably slave labor in order to save a few bucks. My Westones will survive until I can get some Campfire Audio or those new Audeze iSines.
A community member
Nov 25, 2016
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needhelpIs that collection of words supposed to mean something in English?
koolpep
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Nov 26, 2016
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http://www.head-fi.org/t/826643/massdrop-x-noble-x-universal-iems-review-preview/195#post_13038891
So, made in USA is removed from the description but I am with Noble on this one, it's as much made in the US as possible And would fit the description of made in the US overall. And some parts are simply not made in the US at all.
So, made in USA is removed from the description but I am with Noble on this one, it's as much made in the US as possible And would fit the description of made in the US overall. And some parts are simply not made in the US at all.
koolpep
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Nov 26, 2016
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koolpep
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Nov 26, 2016
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Just google for westone and knowles and you can find a lot. Generally knowles produces custom driver or custom tuned version of their standard drivers for many high end audio companies.... http://ineargear.com/westoneum10pro.html Knowles does not have BA production facilities in the USA. quote from financial report of Knowles 2015:
"Geographic Trends We strive to maintain our manufacturing facilities in close proximity to our direct customers. In the case of MCE, we currently operate 6 facilities in Asia to serve the contract manufacturers who build OEM equipment on behalf of our end-customers. These contract manufacturers are largely based in China, Taiwan and India. Although end-user demand for consumer electronics is global and marketing activities occur globally, the majority of our manufacturing is located in Asia, primarily in China, Malaysia and the Philippines. In the case of SC, we operate 5 facilities in Asia to serve the manufacturing sites of both hearing aid OEMs and the contract manufacturers who build OEM headsets on behalf of earphone makers. These OEM manufacturing sites are largely based in China, Singapore, Indonesia and Vietnam. Although marketing activities and end-user demand for hearing aid and specialty consumer components is global, manufacturing is primarily located in Asia for the purposes of being close to the point of assembly. We also operate 6 facilities in North America and 3 in Europe for the manufacturing of capacitors and oscillators that support our global telecom and military customers, as well as their suppliers and contract manufacturers. As a majority of our manufacturing and sales occur outside the United States, we generate the majority of our profits and cash outside the United States. While no significant statutory limitation exists, a repatriation of profits from foreign markets to the United States is inherently inefficient."
source: http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External.File?item=UGFyZW50SUQ9NjEzOTA3fENoaWxkSUQ9MzI4MDkyfFR5cGU9MQ==&t=1 Page 7
very interesting read by the way.... also how they see their competitors etc.
cheers.
"Geographic Trends We strive to maintain our manufacturing facilities in close proximity to our direct customers. In the case of MCE, we currently operate 6 facilities in Asia to serve the contract manufacturers who build OEM equipment on behalf of our end-customers. These contract manufacturers are largely based in China, Taiwan and India. Although end-user demand for consumer electronics is global and marketing activities occur globally, the majority of our manufacturing is located in Asia, primarily in China, Malaysia and the Philippines. In the case of SC, we operate 5 facilities in Asia to serve the manufacturing sites of both hearing aid OEMs and the contract manufacturers who build OEM headsets on behalf of earphone makers. These OEM manufacturing sites are largely based in China, Singapore, Indonesia and Vietnam. Although marketing activities and end-user demand for hearing aid and specialty consumer components is global, manufacturing is primarily located in Asia for the purposes of being close to the point of assembly. We also operate 6 facilities in North America and 3 in Europe for the manufacturing of capacitors and oscillators that support our global telecom and military customers, as well as their suppliers and contract manufacturers. As a majority of our manufacturing and sales occur outside the United States, we generate the majority of our profits and cash outside the United States. While no significant statutory limitation exists, a repatriation of profits from foreign markets to the United States is inherently inefficient."
source: http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External.File?item=UGFyZW50SUQ9NjEzOTA3fENoaWxkSUQ9MzI4MDkyfFR5cGU9MQ==&t=1 Page 7
very interesting read by the way.... also how they see their competitors etc.
cheers.
A community member
Nov 28, 2016
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koolpepWell that's disappointing. Never heard of Knowles before. Will definitely have to look into that more.
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