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Shyan
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Nov 26, 2016
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KimbaWLion
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Nov 26, 2016
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ShyanAs posted in Head-Fi from the Noble's president:
If you care to notice, those claims of made in America have been removed from the massdrop website. (at the request of Noble) Furthermore those statements were made by massdrop and were
A- not approved by Noble
B- contradictictive to statements openly made by me, President of Noble,
C- contradictictive to statements on the Noble website
That being said, if you have ever bothered to read the ftc guidelines of what the definition of "made in America" is you would probably come to the conclusion that Noble fits that definition.
Socket usa
Drivers USA company
Abs housing usa
Aluminum cnc housing usa
Final assembly usa
Cable Taiwan
Tubing Taiwan
Solder wire Taiwan
Partial assembly outsourced off shore
FYI, no ciem/iem is 100% made in America, as some parts\materials are simply not made in America
* just checked the promo via my phone and those statements are still there, and they were removed earlier this morning. I'll be attempting to resolve this asap
Edited by FullCircle - Today at 2:56 am
Varholiaglimp
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Nov 26, 2016
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ShyanFrom Jude's thread: "'[The Noble X] uses most recent universal-fit construction style, made in California with anodized aluminum faceplates over plastic shells. (The sockets are made in Virginia.)" Final assembly is in the States, which means that, technically and legally, these IEMs are made in America.
Are you (A) saying that parts might be made in the USA, but partial assembly and a few of the parts are from elsewhere, or (B) accusing Jude and MD of either lying or being fed false info by Noble Audio? I'm only asking because option A is true and option B seems unlikely. It's far more likely that someone at MD misunderstood, as humans often do.
FYI: it isn't lying to feature a drop on Black Friday and call it a Black Friday drop without confining the time of the drop to Black Friday or featuring an additional discount; it's using an event to market a product. If that were lying, then half of the legitimate vendors in the world would be lying as well.
Are you (A) saying that parts might be made in the USA, but partial assembly and a few of the parts are from elsewhere, or (B) accusing Jude and MD of either lying or being fed false info by Noble Audio? I'm only asking because option A is true and option B seems unlikely. It's far more likely that someone at MD misunderstood, as humans often do.
FYI: it isn't lying to feature a drop on Black Friday and call it a Black Friday drop without confining the time of the drop to Black Friday or featuring an additional discount; it's using an event to market a product. If that were lying, then half of the legitimate vendors in the world would be lying as well.
Shyan
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Nov 26, 2016
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VarholiaglimpPlease see the post just before yours (which you might not have read?)...do you trust the words from President of NobleAudio or a third party(ies)? Cut it anyway you want so long as you're happy...Anyhoo as an owner of a TOTL Noble iem I know for sure that I'll be happy with my Noble X, where ever they might originate from. I'm just stating this because it might be important to some folks out there, and point out the misleading information (unintentionally) put out by Massdrop without checking the facts with Noble Audio themselves. It don't bother me at all because Noble made some of the most beautiful custom iem on earth out of China and Thailand.
*btw Jude also mentioned that Noble X is essentially a Savant in another name but we now know its not but a retuned version of Savant
*btw Jude also mentioned that Noble X is essentially a Savant in another name but we now know its not but a retuned version of Savant
Varholiaglimp
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Nov 26, 2016
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ShyanIt sounds as though either you misunderstood me or I didn't make myself clear. Otherwise, it would be apparent that I read the post above yours (I've also read most of the thread on Head-fi). Asking what *you* meant is not the same as ignoring what others have said. What you write might reflect what you know, but it can be interpreted in various ways depending on how it is written.
Jude is an old friend, so of course I read his description of the sonic differences between the Savant and the Noble X; he tends to be an astute critic despite people's dismissals of him as a cheerleader of new products. If they'd ever spoken to him about why he likes something new in evolutionary terms and whether he's aware of its limitations, they'd know better. Whether the Noble X is derived from the Savant or not, he made it clear that the sound seemed far from identical to him.
But since I didn't mention Jude's assessment at all, I'm wondering whether you're responding to my post or combining it with another of the responses to yours. It's an easy thing to do when reloading pages on this site is frequently problematic.
Jude is an old friend, so of course I read his description of the sonic differences between the Savant and the Noble X; he tends to be an astute critic despite people's dismissals of him as a cheerleader of new products. If they'd ever spoken to him about why he likes something new in evolutionary terms and whether he's aware of its limitations, they'd know better. Whether the Noble X is derived from the Savant or not, he made it clear that the sound seemed far from identical to him.
But since I didn't mention Jude's assessment at all, I'm wondering whether you're responding to my post or combining it with another of the responses to yours. It's an easy thing to do when reloading pages on this site is frequently problematic.
Ancipital
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Nov 30, 2016
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VarholiaglimpJude would never knowingly mislead people as sales patter. How dare you.
Varholiaglimp
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Nov 30, 2016
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Ancipital I'm here not to nurse ancient grudges, but to clarify that Jude didn't do what was said: talk about the Noble X as specifically sounding like the Savant. Whatever incomplete information he had didn't stop him from pointing out numerous differences. He began by saying that he assumed it was a refinement of the Savant, then went on to describe conspicuous points of divergence.
When you talk to him in person, Jude defends and qualifies the particular things he enjoys and he's especially annoyed when people think his preview reviews are the result of sponsor commitments. He likes what he likes, as that '70s band used to say. He's more interested in the evolution of "the hobby" than I tend to be, since I don't believe that art or cultural aesthetics evolve in any Darwinian sense, but that's his particular terrain and his excitement about the new is understandable.
When you talk to him in person, Jude defends and qualifies the particular things he enjoys and he's especially annoyed when people think his preview reviews are the result of sponsor commitments. He likes what he likes, as that '70s band used to say. He's more interested in the evolution of "the hobby" than I tend to be, since I don't believe that art or cultural aesthetics evolve in any Darwinian sense, but that's his particular terrain and his excitement about the new is understandable.
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Just like the statement that this UIEM is "Made in America"...again, NO it is NOT!
This is just the sort of bullshit info put out by Massdrop that's grossly incorrect and misleading.
Yes the waiting time is long-ish but no diffent from those projects in Kickstarter & Indiegogo which might take a couple of years. Your wait time translate into a huge savings for a uiem from a reputable company, so to that end, it is reasonable.