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crashtest
37
Feb 23, 2018
Maybe I'm just "that guy" in this discussion, and no offense to everyone involved, but the whole thing just looks kind of boring to me.
I can go to the gun shop and pick up a really nice, very well made knife that's also push button auto, for $45 more. Like I said, I'm not trying to offend anyone or the knife snobs, but I'm not really wowed by the simple design and minimalist everything. Knives are meant to be used, not admired like art.
Can someone explain to me why this is a big deal?
crashtestBut if you can get one for 45$ less why not? Also the simple/boring design is intentional since any fancier and people might not carry it. I mean I have very expensive and interesting looking folders but I definitely won't carry those everyday because if I lose it or break it it's gonna cost me a hefty penny to repair/replace. With this, it's like a beater knife made with the intention of being used and abused. Also I disagree, some knives can be functional art and that's perfectly fine.
crashtest
37
Feb 23, 2018
Ares78But it's just a blade. It doesn't even have teeth or a tanto slant. I also hate to spend loads of time sharpening a knife which is why I prefer to have serraded edge. I know for sure that in a pinch, it'll cut through rope or whatever else I need down range.
HawgFan
55
Feb 23, 2018
crashtestWell, I'm confused. You claim knives are to used not pieces of art, yet your biggest complaints are that it is looks are boring and you're not wowed by the simple design. I don't think I can help you understand anything.
crashtestFunny you say that most people (myself included) dislike serrated edges because they are damn near impossible to sharpen and instead we just prefer a high quality blade that can hold a sharp edge better. Adding to this the blade shape was designed intentionally to be easily sharpened with any old fixed angle system.
crashtest
37
Feb 23, 2018
HawgFanI seriously just wrote a well written response to everything, but my phone updated and it got lost. So I'll just hit the key points of it quickly instead.
1) your English suck. I hope you're drunk and just having a hard time finding the buttons. If not, get with Big Bird and he'll teach you everything he knows.
2) This knife offers nothing new. Every flea market and carnival offers a Chinese clone of this knife for like $5.
3) Every modern art museum can be described the same way as this knife (clean, simple, basic, and boring). This also describes most items Massdrop decides to get in the market of.
4) Reading all of the descriptions and long winded comments in the discussion from those involved, make it sound like there was a huge disconnection between the two groups. I feel like the designer had a vision and he kept getting told no by some desk jockeys back in San Francisco. I am happy that it's a small shop getting a big job and a huge shot out. I love it when an item is made in America.
5) Everything in a carefully curated EDC has to be chosen wisely and most items serve multiple purposes. This knife has only one purpose and that's not enough to make the cut in my opinion (pun intended). I need something more. Hell at least add more grip to the handle.
6) I can't remember what else I had written in my original comment that accidently vanished, but whatever. Like I said, it's a nice knife and clearly it's selling just fine. I'm sure most of the people buying it will never use it, but I guess that's the deal with art though, it just gets admired.
crashtest1) Your English sucks*.
2) I mean sure, yeah there might already be clones of this knife but you won't find it for $5 and that's like saying "why buy an american made ZT when a Chinese clone is like $5". You're missing the whole point here.
3) On the contrary modern art isn't only clean, simple, basic, and boring, but if you are referring to popular modern design trends then yes that's where things are going. Modern art is actually more expressive and I'm sure a Jackson Pollock painting doesn't match your description.
4) I mean here you're just making assumptions. Also do you mean "huge shout* out?" Also you say you love it when things are made in the USA but earlier you promote Chinese clones? That doesn't seem right does it?
5) Actually knives serve one purpose, and that is to cut something. This knife is clearly not a multi-tool. Textured G10 is pretty grippy so I'm not sure what do you mean by adding more grip. Do you want rubber handle scales? Grip tape? Literal sandpaper?
6) Again, I cannot stress how much this isn't an artsy collector piece, but if you want one, MD is dropping a Tashi Bharucha Prism Folding Knife (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-tashi-bharucha-prism) in about 4 hours. This knife was designed to be a beater, not a $600 Spyderco designed to sit in a display case.
NathanA
16
Feb 23, 2018
crashtestAs others already replied...I'm confused too... You say that this is boring...but still call it art...which is it then?? And, as you said: 'knives are meant to be used, not admired like art' is exactly what this is all about. That boring look you call is a sleek, discreet edc folder. Not made to draw attention, right on the opposite
Since it's for EDC purpose, they designed it that way: -small(<3.5") curved (easier to sharpen) blade -hollow grind (if resharpened-> clean and consistent edge, since your blade thickness won't increase, due to hollow grind, therefore, better performance) -G10 handles -> resistant and all those other words^^ -sturdy folder: "strongest and safest locking mechanism there is" -Nitro V: "nitrogen-enriched steel with excellent edge retention, high hardness, and extreme corrosion resistance"
And on another comment you said sth like: 'I need more grip to the handle'...Dude, this shit ain't for bush-craft...it's a damn edc folder...and btw, idk if it's meant to cut rope like a machete... --"
I won't carry on, because I got more useful stuff to do then quote the damn knife description. If you take only the steel used, that should already be worth the price IMO. Look for knives this good at this price range, and let us know if you find sth useful.
If I was to use your nickname, I'd say: (crash)test it then...
HawgFan
55
Feb 23, 2018
crashtestlol, thank four the art and gramer leson
crashtest
37
Feb 23, 2018
HawgFanYou guys are clearly butthurt about this whole thing, and are obviously taking it personal. Maybe you're the nerd in San Francisco I was mentioning earlier?
- Modern art IS boring to me and that's my point. - I earned my nickname in Afghanistan, where tools are more than just pretty and serve multiple purposes. - Chinese knockoff clones are bad, you know this and knew this when I said it, but you still wanted to be coy and write otherwise... got it. My point is that I'm happy to support a made in America product, however since this is nothing new, Chinese clones beat it to the market like 20 years ago... but I'm sure you knew that already. - That handle looks like if it got hit with a few drops of water, then chances out it would be slippery. I don't care what the handle is made out of, I'm sure you don't want to drop your pretty art piece. - Seriously, which one of you guys personally worked on this product? Clearly you're that but hurt.
namhod
1991
Feb 23, 2018
crashtestYou just aren't very clear. I am not saying you are wrong @crashtest your point is muddled and hard to understand. You bounce back and forth between points, and it really is hard to follow.
If you would rather have a Chinese clone, feel free, Ganzo actually makes some really good ones for the price!
coolerking
164
Feb 26, 2018
crashtestDude,
How well do you write in a language that is secondary to your native one? My guess is not very well since you are struggling to clearly articulate your points in your primary language.
I am glad you served our country and I am extremely appreciative. I would really value your input on this knife because of your experience. But you need to at least organize your thoughts first...
I really ought to 'pay you no nevermind' , but I am also am appreciative of folks who have the guts to speak on these boards when English is their secondary language, and I do not want to see them discouraged.
JohnWE
55
Mar 1, 2018
crashtestI śtrongly suggest you not purchase this knife. Now you can stop bothering those who have decided to buy one.
crashtest
37
Mar 1, 2018
JohnWESeriously you guys are STILL commenting on this? It's been 6 days since my last comment and I'm just now seeing the replies because I just don't care. To clarify again (hopefully for the last time)
1) I think it's boring. If you like it, that's fine.
2) You can buy the same boring design for $5 with a "made in China" stamp. No, that doesn't mean that I would ever do that since I prefer to buy a quality product, but my point is that it's mass produced and there's nothing that this knife offers that the $5 one doesn't. Do you honestly need more clarification?
3) There's a difference between dropping a letter when typing from your phone, and having your entire sentence a jumbled group of words that doesn't make sense. Did you mash your head on the keyboard and hope for the best with autocorrect?
Buy the knife, don't buy the knife, I really don't care. I guess in some places like California, maybe that's as good as it gets for your personal protection? Whatever floats your boat. Now have fun and sail away.
namhod
1991
Mar 1, 2018
crashtestYa, you obviously don't care at all.
crashtest
37
Mar 1, 2018
namhodLol ?
crashtest
37
Mar 1, 2018
crashtestLike what was the point of commenting that? Just be a big boy and walk away like I keep trying to do before you whack jobs comment 6 days later. The war is over sailor, go home.
pyrobunny
284
Mar 1, 2018
crashtestI just read through this, and I still can't wrap my head around why you think a "$5 Chinese Clone" can even compare to this knife. Yeah, there's plenty of Ganzos made in 440C, with G10 handles, steel liners, and an Axis lock. Yeah, they exist. They cost 3-5 times your $5 thing depending on the model you want, but that isn't important. What IS important is the fact that this knife is made in Nitro V, by one of the best OEMs in the world, right here in the states by an Idaho based company. Oh yeah, there's also clones of Benchmades, Zero Tolerance, American designed customs, and plenty more coming from overseas. Does that make those knives any less valuable? I don't see you using your argument in threads from those brands. But hey, a Massdrop collab that takes a stab at something that the community definitely wants by making a high quality Axis lock alternative, in a good and uncommon steel, from an amazing OEM is clearly something worth insulting.
m0llusk
34
Jun 17, 2018
crashtestAfter thinking about what I want in a knife I decided the best for me would be a plain utility folder with some kind of thumb drive, a slider lock, at least three inches of blade, and four inches or more of handle. Then this appeared and fit my criteria exactly. For me this isn't just another blade to mess around with, it is like an arranged marriage.
Also, with all that is going on with knives the work at Millit has really impressed me as people who care about quality making superior durable instruments. That is relevant to my interests. Most of their work is priced way out of my range so when I saw a Millit knife for just over a hundred dollars that just happens to be exactly what I wanted anyway it was really just a matter of getting the money together.
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