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Snessim
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Dec 28, 2017
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Lord_ReverendThey're open backed, so you can hear sound outside of them and sound leaks out into your surroundings. The advantage of this is a wider soundstage, at the cost of being able to take them out in public or use them in a noisy environment.
As for how the sound itself compares, nobody I know of has tested them yet but I'd expect they'd be all around clearer the the M50x's, with more neutral bass. Should scale pretty well with a good DAC, too!
As for how the sound itself compares, nobody I know of has tested them yet but I'd expect they'd be all around clearer the the M50x's, with more neutral bass. Should scale pretty well with a good DAC, too!
Eli35
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Dec 28, 2017
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Lord_ReverendI have the M50x, I don't have the HD58X but I have the HD6XX (they're not the same, but share some similarities). I'll make a guesstimation of the sound of the HD58X according to the frequency response curves and some reviews, and compare them with the M50x:
- comfort is better on the HD58X, if you had stock earpads on the M50x. With better earcups, I'd call it a tie. The HD58X are a bit lighter and the headband feels better, but the M50x adapt better to your head and have less clamping force. Both are really comfortable once you get rid of the stock earpads of the M50x (I have the Brainwavz Sheepskin leather earpads, and they're great, way better than the pleather ones).
- build quality, both are great, but the M50x look more durable. Both seem easy to open in case you have to replace-resolder something, but maybe the HD58X are even easier to operate.
- soundstage is better on the HD58X, but there's not a huge difference. Open back headphones usually have better soundstage than closed back. Bear in mind that HD58X don't have a huge soundstage like, for instance, the AKG K701. And the M50x, being closed-back, have a reasonably good soundstage.
- bass is way better on the M50x, unless you want an anemic bass and almost no sub-bass. If you enjoy the bass kicking in, or wanna listen some sub-bass rumble, M50x are a clear winner. The HD58X have less bass than the warm HD6XX, so they must sound somewhat "neutral" compared to the more warm M50x.
- mids are better on the HD58X, M50x are clearly v-shaped (enhanced bass and treble response), so mids are a bit recessed compared to the more balanced HD58X.
- highs are so different, depending on your preference you will prefer ones or the anothers: M50x have bright, crisp, sometimes even harsh highs; HD58X are dark, mid-highs are slightly veiled, and highs are kinda recessed. If you prefer accurate, easygoing, non-fatiguing treble response, HD58X. If you prefer bright, exciting treble, M50x.
In the end, it all depends a lot on your preferences and the type of music you listen. I can tell you my HD6XX have almost no sub-bass, and some hip-hop and EDM music lacks that bass oomph that the M50x have. And since the HD58X have even less bass than the HD6XX, maybe you'll get dissapointed. On the other hand, vocals sound amazing on the HD6xx, much more warm, natural and detailed. Instrumental music is better on the HD6XX too, and they cause way less fatigue after a long listening session due to the dark sound signature.
In the end, it all depends a lot on your preferences and the type of music you listen. I can tell you my HD6XX have almost no sub-bass, and some hip-hop and EDM music lacks that bass oomph that the M50x have. And since the HD58X have even less bass than the HD6XX, maybe you'll get dissapointed. On the other hand, vocals sound amazing on the HD6xx, much more warm, natural and detailed. Instrumental music is better on the HD6XX too, and they cause way less fatigue after a long listening session due to the dark sound signature.
Lord_Reverend
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Dec 28, 2017
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Eli35That was incredibly detailed and thoughtful. Thank you!
I know what you mean about those earpads for the M50x. I have large ears and I could only listen for a couple hours before they hurt too much to wear. I got some velour pads and the sound is a bit less punchy, but the comfort is amazing now. I can wear them all day.
I listen to and make a lot of EDM, so I think I will stick with my M50xs. Thank you again for your in-depth comparison! I really appreciate it.
I know what you mean about those earpads for the M50x. I have large ears and I could only listen for a couple hours before they hurt too much to wear. I got some velour pads and the sound is a bit less punchy, but the comfort is amazing now. I can wear them all day.
I listen to and make a lot of EDM, so I think I will stick with my M50xs. Thank you again for your in-depth comparison! I really appreciate it.
Eli35
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Dec 28, 2017
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Lord_ReverendYou're welcome! I'm not even remotely an expert in the subject, my ears are not good also, so it was just my humble opinion. M50x are great for bassy music, indeed. I suggest you to buy a pleather or leather earcups for yours, because I tried some velour ones and the sound was no good: too much treble and way less bass, a lot of sound leakage, had to crank up the volume A LOT to compensate and even then they didn't sounded the same. And there's wool headband covers for under $10 on chinese webpages, made in different colors to match your preference, that makes the headband way more soft and comfy than stock, plus they prevent the pleather from tearing apart (I have two M50x, mine and my father's, both teared after around two years of almost daily usage).
The Brainwavz sheepskin earcups are excellent, I've tried the three different materials Brainwavz uses (velour, pleather and sheepskin leather) and they're definitely the best: better breathability and comfort than the pleather, same sound signature. Even in summer, your ears won't be sweaty like they would with pleather. And the leather touch feels so good on my skin, plus they look like something "serious" (if you care about aesthetics).
I'll add an actual picture of my M50x, with the leather earpads and the wool headband cover, so you can see how it looks like. I don't care too much about aesthetics, but comfort-wise It's a huge improvement. Price-performance, maybe pleather is ok for you if you don't need too much breathability, but leather earcups are the best.
The Brainwavz sheepskin earcups are excellent, I've tried the three different materials Brainwavz uses (velour, pleather and sheepskin leather) and they're definitely the best: better breathability and comfort than the pleather, same sound signature. Even in summer, your ears won't be sweaty like they would with pleather. And the leather touch feels so good on my skin, plus they look like something "serious" (if you care about aesthetics).
I'll add an actual picture of my M50x, with the leather earpads and the wool headband cover, so you can see how it looks like. I don't care too much about aesthetics, but comfort-wise It's a huge improvement. Price-performance, maybe pleather is ok for you if you don't need too much breathability, but leather earcups are the best.
dividead
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Dec 29, 2017
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Lord_ReverendThe only reasons you would ever want closed headphones are isolation and bass ammount and extention, granted that does not mean it's better just that, generally though it does apply to the m50x, there is more and it goes a little deeper. If you don't care about isolation I would not even bother with any closed back, I'd rather have 558s or even any 100$ decent open back over m50x.
Eli35
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Jan 2, 2018
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divideadI do not completely agree with you, since I own both the M50x and some other open back headphones I can tell the M50x, while not perfect, offer so much for the price: rock solid build quality, super fun v-shaped sound, deep controlled bass, three cables with different lenght... Of course they're not great in every single aspect: they can be fatiguing due to enhanced treble response, mids are recessed, soundstage is below average, and the stock earpads are crappy. But for EDM/hip-hop and other kind of bassy music they're one of the best sub-150$ you can buy.
In the end, it all depends on your preferences and the music you listen to. And since he already owns the M50x, and he said that he listens a lot of EDM music, I wouldn't suggest him to buy these headphones (I mean the HD58X Jubilee).
In the end, it all depends on your preferences and the music you listen to. And since he already owns the M50x, and he said that he listens a lot of EDM music, I wouldn't suggest him to buy these headphones (I mean the HD58X Jubilee).
dividead
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Jan 3, 2018
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Eli35Other than build, which is fine on sennheisers, you said more but it was more or less exactly what I said exept that you feel diferently about it, which is fine but no they are not the best 150$ closed cans unless you plan to master EDM with them, not listen to it, which apparently he does so ya it's fine. That said having a "super fun v-shape sound" is not a feature, it's how they are tuned, there are 10$ cans that have that and most people dislike it after being exposed to good sound.
Eli35
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Jan 4, 2018
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divideadAt the end, sound is subjective, and it's all about how you feel it. I'd say materials & features are 10/10 on the M50x (for the price), so the only big difference between these and let's say a Beyerdynamic DT 770 it's just how they feel, the tuning.
By the way, which would you say are "the best" closed cans under $200, or some of the most remarkable ones?
By the way, which would you say are "the best" closed cans under $200, or some of the most remarkable ones?
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