Sennheiser PC37X randomly goes bad after disconnecting the cable ?
Greetings, Yesterday I was using my headset like normal with my macbook, just listening to music and on a call with people like usual, and the headset was perfectly fine. The stock wire that came with the headset is extremely long and yesterday it annoyed me very much that it kept getting tangled with itself, so I decided to see if the cable is replaceable. I pulled out the cable from the headset and saw the adapter, and looked online for a replacement. Upon plugging it back in, the audio sounded extremely muffled and washed out. Im not sure what I did wrong to make it mess up like that as I've always taken good care of it, ive had it for about 2 years and its always just been chilling on my desk, but anywho I thought the cable just went bad and ordered a replacement. The replacement came, and the issue is still persistant, so I am not sure what the issue is I've tried multiple different headsets and the issue is not with the port, and I also tried it with my windows laptop and...
Apr 23, 2024
I just checked with the team on this. Sennheiser has told us they’ll be able to increase the bass response to meet our original expectations. While we believe they will be able to achieve this for the 58x, we haven’t received an updated sample and have left the published graphs of headphone measurements as we’ve been able to measure with our original samples.
Also, as you might expect, I get a lot of notifications and dont ways get to respond to everything. Still, I agree we can do a better job in respond on site in discussions - thanks for the feedback.
WE are very interested how your first impressions turn out!
your second post sounds like a description of the HD700's not the HD660S. They were never considered oddly tuned, a very natural clean sound. overpriced, yes. oddly tuned, no. With your expectations though, i would just cancel the order now, it sounds like they are vastly different then what you want. Have you listened to HD650's? i have never considered them very bass heavy but very good for what i like, and a mild bass increase over the prototype of the HD58X would still put it quite aways away from the HD650.
By the way Schiit customer service is damn good. My first Magni 3 played heavily distorted out of the box and they got a new one sent out to me ASAP. It took the slow boat across the country but their turn around was faster than I would have expected. As soon as they had confirmation that the defective unit was in the Fed Ex system which was on a Friday they sent my new unit out on Monday. FYI request that anything Schiit sends to you is DOUBLE BOXED. The first unit was sent in the retail box and I have a feeling it didn't have enough protection for the rough handling of Fed Ex.
I've gotten nothing short of stellar service from Schiit. Though I wasn't happy with my MB DAC module experience. I paid for 2 day shipping and it still took 10 days to get the product to me, and then when it arrived I was missing some of the parts required for installation. They got those shipped right away when I contacted them, but they sent it on a slow boat to China!
Thanks to the whole community for all your encouragement and shared excitement, we’re proud to bring this great value to you soon!
Right now, many of our Product Managers are busy at the Munich High End show! Here’s a cellphone picture after setup, before the show was officially open:
So you have the X00. nice. me too. Why do you need to begrudge others the neutral cans they were promised?
Cool. nice to know that 'not' is now spelled 'nit'. cool. guess you're not as dumb as you sound.
The early tests you’ve put so much faith in were clearly identified as preproduction samples. How about calming down and waiting for the finished product before you continue to whinge, complain, and cry? Or just keep going. I‘m sorry that the world isn’t catering to your needs, it seems to be making you very angry.
“It's hard to take audio opinion seriously from someone like you who can not listen to what someone is saying and only hears what he wants to hear.”
Lol, what? Since we‘re conversing on the internet, I’m reading text off of an LCD screen. You are not speaking, and I am not listening. I’m not hearing anything you say, because you are not speaking it, you are writing it. How can I hear written text?
"...I’m not hearing anything you say, because you are not speaking it, you are writing it. How can I hear written text?" apparently that don't teach about analogies where you come from...such a literal society. phht.
"Has Sennheiser made any official comment on changes? No." ...from Sennheiser:"...a little update... the finalized tuning of the HD 58X Jubilee is coming out great, with bass levels like the HD 650 (and HD 6XX)." ...reading is hard... You wrote: "Have the specs changed? No. " and yet you also wrote: "The tuning changes were done in response to community feedback (If the leaked graphs are legitimate and accurately measured, which I think they are). " --get your story straight, champ.
"If you think they'll sound great and you can't wait to hear them why must you have a problem with what myself and others have commented on? " Do you not see that that goes both ways? seriously. I voiced my initial beef with the change and you guys are falling all over yourself to crap on it with spurious apologetics.
Many people say the HD 660S is different enough from the HDv650 and they compliment each other. The HD 650 being more lush and warm with the HD 660S having a bit more of an agile & quicker response....and more like the HD600. Two sound signatures that compliment each other. Similar...but different enough to own both. Just like the Beyer DT990 and DT880. I was hoping that the HD58x could POSSIBLY be a similar pairing to the HD650. If people are seeing me as less credible for those statements I can say they didn't ask me to expand on my comments to explain myself further and they became much too critical WITHOUT getting all the info.
If this was a face to face situation and someone thinks they mistakingly hear something and it can be cleared up immediately. No big deal. But Because this is the internet and to compound things not a tight community like many forums I frequent there is no clarification of facts to prevent an unnecessary escalation. It's headphones people. There are more important things to worry about in life.
Further, you got rid of the annoying looking peak in the lower highs. In fact the smoothness up there means detail could be even better, while being less peaky. No so-called "veil" (though I never found the 600 series veiled) but no sibilance in your effort to add a bit of clarity. Your HD820 closed model proved to me you could do the tricky task of adding bass extension, without any bloating. With low impedance and price, this model could be the consumer level go-to audiophiles will still dig.
My word on frequency response and "flatness". As a recording / mixing / mastering engineer who prefers using monitors vs. headphones, it's been a hard task to find cans that are up to it. I found a few closed pairs I dig & the right open pair has yet to happen. The AKG K7XX and K712 didn't cut it. The HD650 was always a touch lacking in the subs. The 1 - 2 db more for sub bass on these makes a big difference. I'm not talking "bass head". It's possible to have more bass without any real sacrifices.
You could add 2 - 3 db more to the 'leaked' graph below 100 hz, and it still won't be 'bass head', it wouldn't even be truly flat, as the ideal curve has a few db more at 20 hz vs. 100 hz. Just getting it flat from 100 hz - 20 hz is not possible with most open cans of course, but a good target. Your ability to increase it there is appreciated; and anyone can see on the leaked graph low mids, mids and highs do not suffer from it. I still think a semi-open "HD670" (with even more bass) has potential as an option.
EDIT: Diyaudioheaven just confirmed that the plot was correct and it's already in production: "The HD58X Jubilee’s are already in full production by the way and are the same as the one shown above. Watch the Massdrop site for publication about this. When their cat is out of the bag (may still take a while) my findings will be posted here as well as a more elaborate article in pdf with some interesting modifications for those that seek HD600 type of balance. "
I'm looking forward to the full article and what those mods involve. Or, depending on that, to a refund.
To explain why I joined this talk - basically what I expected after reading thoroughly about this product was a balanced, neutral headphone, not very different from the HD600 but easier to drive, at a very enticing price. And in all fairness, that's what was marketed (see product description, specs and reviews).
As I've said, I get that some people will like them better this way, and that's only natural, everybody has their own preference and specific intended usage. I simply think it should've been marketed as a different product (HD58x-B or such) and not make such a radical change to the product that was reviewed initially and for which we (or at least I) joined the drop.
In the end, I guess I'm waiting for the final reviews and see if the mods don't involve radical changes, soldering, warranty voiding etc. There might still be the promise of what I joined in for, going by the "more elaborate article in pdf with some interesting modifications for those that seek HD600 type of balance" that Solderdude hinted at.
They also have softer highs, like the HD650, or maybe less. What is worth paying attention to in the infamous 'leaked' green HD5XX graph is 100 -200 hz. It has less there than the HD650 and it's on par with their HD600. This is important. Sennheiser (and I hope they are reading this) worked a near miracle to have 1 or maybe 2 db less from 100-200 than the HD650,and slightly less (1/2 to 1 db) even up to about 500 (clearer low mid) while boosting from about 90 all the way down to 10 hz. They could boost 10-40 hz, even up to 50-60 hz, with zero negative impact on low mids, the true mids or the clarity overall. They did that and it should be commended.
I also can't think of anyone but treble heads or those with hearing loss who wanted them to keep that annoying looking 8-9 khz peak. Low impedance for portable, low price, a bold style, with a bit more bass, these really have crossover potential. I hope Sennheiser doesn't scrap what they got with that and neuter these down to HD600 bass. More will be bothered by that than maintaining their 'leaked' graph response, based on what I am reading here. I just think more have to understand - the importance of their cutting a bit at 100 to 200 hz vs. the HD650 has. That 1-2 more than makes up for a bass increase below, and will enhance the clarity that some of you want.
I'm waiting with interest for the detailed reviews of the final product (and if the described mods are promising, for the product itself). But if the reviews confirm what the FR graph suggested (darker than HD650 headphones) and the described mods don't help or are too "revolutionary" for my comfort, I will be demanding a refund before shipping and maybe another lucky, bass loving customer will get my pair. The fact remains that I have joined a drop for a clear, balanced, neutral etc. etc. headphone :) That being said, I'm still hoping the mods will be reasonable and result in what I was looking for.
We’re still in communication with Massdrop on a regular basis, and release more information, officially, as we can when we have accurate info to share. So far, everything has been moving along according to plan, but still we have to be careful to disclose specific information only when it is accurate ;)
Thanks again everyone for the vigorous discussions. And let’s remember, what we share is our passion for music and audio, a great common ground to build respectful agreement or debate around.
I will also be using g my headphones for gaming and home theatre.
Quote: """ In the “air” treble region of 12kHz-15kHz, there is better extension as compared to the HD600/650. The bass rolls off a little earlier than typical for the line as a tradeoff for lower distortion in the area. We have requested an increase to bass extension if Sennheiser can do so without any negative effects by the time of production and they have agreed. """ What's "any negative effects" objectively? All i can hope for is low thd in bass extension & FR flat tuning goes well. :eyes:
This is definitely a different transducer than the HD 660 S. Still going to be an amazing value.