Massdrop x Sennheiser HD 58X Jubilee Headphones Discussions | Drop

May 10, 2018

Well guys, I have got great news for this thread in a long time! For the first time, we are going to get a glimpse of the graph which contains the measurement of the new pair of production headphones!! So here goes: The light green is the new production version, the red is the preproduction version and the dirty green is the classic hd650. If this graph turns out to be true, then this would be by far, the most dark pair of hd6xx series made by sennheiser which doesn't have their classic veil. Sennheiser has literally increased the sub bass region by 10dB! Ihope you enjoy and like this graph. Thanks

Aja12

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May 11, 2018

Soham1255Where’d you source this from, dude?

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May 11, 2018

Aja12My primary source I got the image is (more like where it was as it has been removed from the page) https://diyaudioheaven.wordpress.com/headphones/measurements/brands-s-se/hd-58x-jubilee-massdrop/
and my knowledge source is head-fi. You'll get the graph images there too! https://www.head-fi.org/threads/massdrop-x-sennheiser-hd-58x-jubilee-review-measurements.867972/page-26

Aja12

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May 11, 2018

Soham1255Thanks man! Definitely excited to get my hands on these now, looking very promising.

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May 11, 2018

Aja12Exactly! This graph made me feel that now i might get my money's worth from this headset!

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jm090

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May 11, 2018

Soham1255People are going crazy over these graphs on forums...i have to say, my mind was blown when i saw them. If they are accurate, i think they are going to be the best of the bunch IMO. i like this graph a bit more then that one though:

" Green is the production HD 58X, dark red it HD 660S, bright red is pre-production HD 58X. That bass difference feels pretty unreal. "
quoted from head-fi user Anarion

May 11, 2018

jm090Yeah i have seen this one too but i chose to post the hd650 graph as that is the one which is legendary xD

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Tup3x

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May 11, 2018

jm090(Anarion here) I though the HD 650 comparisons was pretty interesting - the bass difference especially. HD 650 has been the bassiest HD 600 series can so far. HD 58X Jubilee would have been the bass lightest. Assuming that the graph diyaudioheaven posted is correct, it's a complete u turn for HD 58X Jubilee. When they said that they will improve it I quite frankly never expected it to have more bass than HD 650. I don't know if that's a good or bad thing but quite interesting. I'm happy that the 6K peak is lower though. The treble looks pleasant.
Looking forward to hearing more stuff about the final unit.

May 12, 2018

Tup3xI am looking forward on receiving it physically and giving it a tryout myself! I literally just can't wait for July to come! When they said that they will improve the bass, I thought they will just push it up by 1db or 2 but this new graph puts the new headphones in the leagues of the legends like hd650, hd660s, hd600, etc. I hope it's at least half as good as the graph makes it look like. Now at least I don't feel guilty for using parcel forwarding service for this headphones :)

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jm090

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May 12, 2018

Tup3xThank you for all of your work, i am glad to hear from you! the reason why i found the 660s comparison so interesting is because i really expected these to be extremely close to 660S to be honest. If these charts are accurate though, i think it should replace the 650/6XX as the premier 600 series headphone. That chart is conventional driver perfection. I cant wait to hear them.

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Tup3x

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May 12, 2018

jm090I only merged graphs for easier comparison, so basically did nothing.
Interestingly Sennheiser just said that this will have similar bass like HD 650. Even if the graph shows a bit more, it's not that big of a difference. So... It would look like it's more or less accurate. Never expected it to improve to HD 650 levels.

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May 15, 2018

Tup3xOk, not what I signed up for. Raising the bass "a little" should've meant 3-5dB, not 12. Now instead of a relatively neutral headphone, I'm looking at a bass-heavy FR and a darker headphone than the hd650 or 660. If I wanted a relatively dark headphone I would've bought the hd6xx, not the 58x. I will try canceling, since this is a completely different product, not the listing for which I signed up with a "slight raise in bass".

jm090

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May 15, 2018

musiklTake the readings with a grain of salt, I'm assuming they were pulled down for a reason. I am still believing that these will be close to 660s when all is said and done.

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May 15, 2018

jm090Ok, I will wait patiently for a confirmed review and frequency range of the final product and will act depending on that. But it is quite plausible that that is the final FR, in which case it will definitely be a dark and bass-heavy headphone. We may even discover new meaning to the Sennheiser veil if that is the final product... Hopefully not, I'm not looking for bass cans.

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May 18, 2018

jm090My pinch of salt turned to dust in the wind... DIYAudioHeaven confirmed that those were the actual production measurements. So no, these won't be close to the hd660s as you were still hoping and rather balanced, as the HD600, as I was dreaming when I joined the drop. They will be even darker and bassier than the HD650. On the bright side, while he didn't publish the full report, he said there are available mods " for those that seek HD600 type of balance ". If they're not extensive mods, I may still be interested. However, I have already requested a refund, since they changed the product into something completely different from what was advertised.

Pierre111

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May 19, 2018

musiklI look at this frequency response and I see a headphone with rolled off sub bass, like all of de HD-6XX serie. Having a more even response under 100 Hz, makes them more neutral, not less! This is anything but a bass heavy Headphone, just less rolled off than the other. You're assumption that they will be dark, bassy and veiled is based on what? The only change is under 100 Hz! That never have been the region that would contribute to any veil or darkness! You just get a headphone that just don't filter out some content of the music as much, some of the stuff that was crucially laking on any of the 6xx serie, and is still lacking, just less. To me this is extremely great news, that they have been able to achieve this in an open dynamic, and at that price. I have never, never heard of anybody saying that the HD-650 had too much under 100 HZ! I mean look at the graphs! 99.9 % of people will be happier with these tweaks, sub bass roll-off as always been a COMPROMISE! Necessary in exchange for the open nature of these cans that do everything else well, but compromise none the less! Every time I listen to my 6XX I keep thinking how good this is, but how happy I would be if that missing part of the music could be included, you know, the sub bass part that is just non-existent--- removed... These are not graphs of a bassy/boomy/dark/veil headphone, they are actually more neutral and that's awesome news

Huxleigh

May 19, 2018

Pierre111Good points. But hysterical sperging is reliably immune to evidence and reason.
Not a part of this drop as yet, but I look forward to the final product.

May 19, 2018

HuxleighNo, they're not good points. They're only good points as far as one's preference goes. De gustibus non est disputandum. It's likely that others will prefer different sound signatures. But ultimately, the desired sound signature depends on intended usage and individual preference.
Let me give you a different scenario - how would you like to join a drop where the bass was rather high and that's exactly the reason why you liked the product, and afterwards, due to the headphones sounding a little boomy, a slight bass reduction would be requested and then you'd receive a product with a significant decrease in bass? Let's say 12dB or so.
I was not discussing if the headphones are better this way or were better before. That's a moot point and is up to individual preference. I only raised the issue of a significant departure from what was offered initially. This is "a good point". The rest is preference.
All this aside, I understand some mods may result in a signature close to the HD600, in which case the final HD58x may still be a very interesting offering for me and fit my intended usage. For the time being, I'm very curious to see what those mods are and the results.

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MarkUp

May 19, 2018

Pierre111Great points there Pierre. The highs are very close to the HD650 with that annoying 5 - 6 khz peak reduced, and less around 2-5 khz as well. That might make them a bit less shouty but not really more dull. The original graph in my opinion was just too much like an HD600 with a bit less bass (as if the HD600 needs less bass). If someone wants that sound they can easily go get a great condition used model for under $200, these days. The HD600 is only "neutral" to those who'll genuinely dislike bass. Flat will mean a straight line from 100 hz to 10 hz. No open can outside of a few Planars do that, though even the planar cans doing that continue flat up to 1 khz resulting in a comparitively light bass. The Harman Curve which is based more with what we actually hear (being more sensitive to mids and high mids, less sensitive to very low bass) would mean cans that seem "neutral" to us (evenly representing every part of the spectrum) would have at least a few db more at 10-20 hz vs. what you have at 100 hz. These do the opposite, even with their extra bass boost, they're generally rolled off. These are going to be game changers. Not just bass, but lower impedance/ price and a cool look. Sennheiser will rule under $200 open headphones. Notice something else, the HD650 has a bit more about 200 hz, is equal at 100 hz, and these dip a bit at 80-90 hz. So from 80 hz to 200 hz, they're less bassy than the HD650. Only more bass below 80 hz. That is how you do a clean bass boost, people.

Renodoko

May 19, 2018

musikl I don't understand why you keep counting 10hz region and saying that it's 12dB boost. Even if you really want to count 10hz region, it's still 9-10dB boost not 12dB(pre58X = 71dB / final58X = 80~81dB). There is 1~2dB difference on 10hz for 58X's left and right channels. And with that, it's still within 9-10dB range. If you don't believe me, go to the DIYAuioHeaven and actually look at the real graph. (Not the one that someone combied multiple datas together) And more on that, you should be focusing on the 20 hz to 20k hz region. I don't know why people keep look at 10hz and 30k hz+ region. Those are usually the area where the data is not guaranteed. in 20 hz, there is 7dB difference. (pre:79dB / final:86dB) It's never been 12dB difference at all so stop over exaggerate your number and confuse other people.

Tup3x

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May 20, 2018

RenodokoIt's definitely less than 10 dB. No more than 9dB. If you look at those graphs, the production model just looks way more balanced and closer to neutral than the pre-production model. The treble looks much nicer now. There's also quite noticeable change at 10K which I personally like (as HD 595 user) and it should mix well with the improved bass.

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May 20, 2018

RenodokoOk, sir, I raise my hat to you :)) Nobody pointed that out until now, and I confess I was so taken with the significant bump that I literally didn't realize the graph started at 10Hz. That's a big lapse on my part. I believe it's 9dB at 20, but definitely no more than that. And as I've said after reading the clarification on DIYAudioHeaven, I'm eager to see the full article. I'm sure it will hold some interesting information.

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Renodoko

May 20, 2018

musiklLike I said change can't make everyone happy. And I'm sure massdrop and sennheiser tweaked this because they know more people gonna prefer this way. I really hope the full DIYAudioHeaven article have solution that you can mod this headphone to reduce the overall bass to your liking

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Evshrug

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May 21, 2018

musikl @musikl already saw me post this in another comment thread, but I’d just like to reiterate that (assuming accurate FR graph), the bass PEAK is only one or two dB higher (hard to differentiate), and the sub bass is only becoming better extended rather than awkwardly rising to a new peak. I also like the little divot in the bass response getting closer to 100 Hz, that divot means all the world in preventing a masking effect of the bass hiding mids detail. The midbass from 300 - 900 Hz is also less than the other models, making the sound less thick, and the midrange should definitely not be shouty at all. There’s less amplitude in the treble peaks and valleys, so it should maintain a good presence but sound unusually even.
The driver can’t be as good as the HD 660 S driver, but it should still be a good one, and that line soldierdude measured looks REALLY appealing to me (for reasons stated above). Hope everyone who got one is pleasantly surprised, because at the price this is going to be an absurdly good jumping point into high quality audio.