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AveryC
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Update June 26: The HD 58X will launch Wednesday, June 27 at 9:55 a.m. PT. There will be 1,800 units available, and they will ship in 2 to 3 business days.
Hi everyone, The first production of the Massdrop x Sennheiser HD 58X Jubilee headphones has arrived at the warehouse, and the headphones are now being prepared for shipment. This shipment includes all HD 58X drop participants, which includes members who joined from December 20187 - April 2018. We estimate that the headphones will start shipping early next week. Throughout the production process, we sent various samples to reviewers and we received positive results, as well as some constructive feedback on the sound. Some reviewers mentioned that there was too much energy in the upper mids, and not enough bass extension. We decided to take advantage of the timeline we had, and made changes to the unit as it was being produced. A process like this typically takes years, and we were able to work with Sennheiser to make these changes in just a couple of months. Ultimately, these areas of the sound were improved without any other changes to the headphones. Production is now complete and we’re excited to release the new frequency response graph:
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We’d like to thank the community reviewers who helped us through the production process, and we’re looking forward to you all receiving the first production of the Massdrop x Sennheiser HD 58X Jubilee headphones! Some of you received an email from us about a delay in serialization. Unfortunately about 165 serialized headphones are delayed, and expected to arrive at our warehouse by the end of next week. We’ve emailed all of those who are affected and the two options they have. Also, we’re excited to announce that we have remaining units in our warehouse available for immediate shipment. With all the positive response around the HD 58X, we wanted to get more headphones into the hands of audio enthusiasts. We’ll be launching only 1,000 units of the HD 58X on Wednesday, June 27. These units will ship in 2 to 3 business days.
Jun 19, 2018
Tsiklon
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Jun 19, 2018
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AveryCExcellent! Thanks for the update Avery, looking forward to getting my grubby hands on mine.
Jun 19, 2018
Fayne
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AveryCAnother early product delivery? Awesome!
Jun 19, 2018
inifist
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AveryCPraying & Hoping that pre-production and production reviews by the same person are positive in terms of the changes made, and possible changes to timbre, etc. :4
Jun 19, 2018
Aja12
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AveryCThanks for the update. Looking forward to DIY Audio being able to release their review.
Jun 19, 2018
MusicLover
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AveryCThanks for the update. So which of the other Sennheiser Headphones will this one be more similar to?
Jun 19, 2018
Aika_Fuwa
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AveryCI can not wait to finally get my hands on them. Thanks a lot for the update.
Jun 19, 2018
fraterOiram
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MusicLoverhopefully the hd58x :)
Jun 19, 2018
GGGGGGG
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Jun 19, 2018
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AveryCDoes this mean that my expected shipment date will change from July 31, 2018? I joined the drop in early April. Just wondering since you mentioned that the new 1,000 units will be shipped in June.
Jun 19, 2018
chathamharrison
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GGGGGGGSame. The email update makes it sound like I should expect to receive one of the early shipments, even though I didn't join until mid-April. It'd be nice, to be sure, (I've been champing at the bit since the updated graphs leaked,) but it seems far-fetched. A little clarification seems warranted.
Jun 19, 2018
AveryC
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chathamharrison@GGGGGGG apologies for the confusion! All HD 58X drop participants (including those from April - you!) will have their order shipped out next week. We currently have thousands of headphones at the warehouse preparing for shipment. We also have 1,000 leftover headphones, and those will launch next week. Hope that helps clarify!
Jun 19, 2018
chathamharrison
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AveryCVery cool! I will be standing sentry at the mailbox. Thanks for the quick response.
Jun 19, 2018
GGGGGGG
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AveryC@AveryC Thank you for prompt update!!
Jun 19, 2018
dkapner
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Jun 19, 2018
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AveryCCan someone kindly explain the implications from this graph? For example, will the bass be noticeably better than originally planned? For reference I also own the HD 660S (and love them!!). Many thanks in advance.
Jun 19, 2018
chathamharrison
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dkapnerIf you're interested, go here: https://www.head-fi.org/threads/massdrop-x-sennheiser-hd-58x-jubilee-review-measurements.867972/page-26 and start reading. "Mark Up"'s post is particularly thorough. The leaked specs are very close to this graph, so I would generally expect similar response. In short, it will be much bassier than originally expected; and may well end up sounding like an HD660S with a little more bass extension. Which is a real achievement for a $150 headphone.
Jun 19, 2018
MarkUp
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AveryCIt looks like the leaked graph is correct. A bit more sub bass than the HD650, a tiny bit less in the muddy region from 200 hz to 1 khz. I mean tiny but it will make a difference and higher mids are tamed while highs are improved. A bit more from 9 khz up vs. HD650, so that could please some treble fans. It's also far less dipped, or peaky in the high treble too. With it being easier to drive, no more: "they need a good amp for bass" for this. It's going to be there.
Jun 19, 2018
DancingShade
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AveryCI think you might need more than 1000 more units. Love that graph.
Jun 20, 2018
NIKE2000
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AveryC:)) great, hope I can get it before July 4, cause I will be traveling.....
Jun 20, 2018
Nyphon
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NIKE2000I leave the 29th! Man this will be close.
Jun 20, 2018
lunaticprince
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AveryCI'm a bit confused... You're saying all units will be shipped about next week, but then say you're only launching 1000 units on Wednesday (which is also next week). Which statement should I trust? Also, I recieved this exact message by email. My estimated ship date was July 6. Am I then recieving it in advance? Can you clarify please ? Thank you and have a nice day :)
Jun 20, 2018
Tup3x
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lunaticprinceIt has already been clarified few posts above. 1000 extra units for new drop.
Jun 20, 2018
Bassman
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lunaticprinceCopy and Pasted from just a few post above yours- GGGGGGG apologies for the confusion! All HD 58X drop participants (including those from April - you!) will have their order shipped out next week. We currently have thousands of headphones at the warehouse preparing for shipment. We also have 1,000 leftover headphones, and those will launch next week. Hope that helps clarify!
Jun 20, 2018
AMC4x4
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AveryCThese are my first audiophile headphones and these tweaks have me even more excited. Thank you so much for the updates and for going through the work with Sennheiser to get the adjustments implemented. . I can't wait to hear some of my favorite music on these. Cheers!
Jun 20, 2018
AMC4x4
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NyphonHa. I'm off on 10 days vacation starting on the 27th. Looks like I'll just miss them. Guess instead of being sad to be going home, I'll be excited for a little present to myself upon arrival. :)
Jun 20, 2018
Cokeman
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AveryCSo since you have 1000 extra pairs in the warehouse does that mean the 1000 from that drop will ship relatively fast?
Jun 20, 2018
Aja12
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CokemanDude, your answer is in AceryC’s post at the top of the page, and it’s written in bold font.
Jun 20, 2018
Afterman
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AveryCCan't wait. Always liked my 580 and go back to them often. Had the Elex but didn't really like them, so sold them.
Jun 20, 2018
Mlcousi
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NyphonI just got my shipping notification, looks like you should have them before then!
Jun 20, 2018
Descay90
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AveryCMy HD8X has shipped. Can't wait to listen it.
Jun 20, 2018
Descay90
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MlcousiSame here. Excited.
Jun 20, 2018
bsastor
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Descay90Mine just shipped too! Arrrrrrggghhhh
Jun 21, 2018
Blindobat
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AveryCThey shipped! Ahhh I'm excited! That was a long wait... Almost 7 months... geez
Jun 21, 2018
Nyphon
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MlcousiI hope so! No notification for me yet D=
Jun 21, 2018
Lolifuokah
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AveryCWill it keep the same price for the drop thats coming @june 27th ($150) ?
Jun 21, 2018
Afterman
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AftermanOh yeah, got my shipping notification also.
Jun 21, 2018
Afterman
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LolifuokahOn an old post they said when it comes back it will be at a higher price. But who knows, they might just keep it the same.
Jun 21, 2018
Lolifuokah
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AftermanYea but they said the first drop will have a cheaper price due to a few reasons and one of them was the box that it'll come with and i doubt that they had enough time to finish and make the presentation box for the drop that's coming :P .
Jun 21, 2018
samelight100
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Aftermanthey said that to push the sale, but it turns out not as good as they expected, so i don't think they will raise the price.
Jun 21, 2018
GoldenEarth
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samelight100What do you mean? Are you saying that the headphones that no one has yet suck?
Jun 21, 2018
GoldenEarth
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samelight100Are you saying that they suck? Even though no one has them yet.
Jun 21, 2018
NIKE2000
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Nyphon:)) yo... my package was shipped .... hope yours would be the same too... cheer :))
Jun 21, 2018
GoldenEarth
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Ya im realizimg that now my bad. But in that case i agree with him the price will probably stay the same mostly because its still so new but i disagree on it doing terrible on the sale part it still raked in good numbers for just a prototype at first.
Jun 21, 2018
Nyphon
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NIKE2000I'm assuming they are shipping in order from a chronological scenario. I joined the drop in March so I am towards the end.
Jun 21, 2018
Ze_Blitzkrieg
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AveryCReally hoping mine ship out today or tomorrow. . .I have to leave the country over 4th of July for work.
Jun 21, 2018
Semicoln
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Ze_BlitzkriegI was on the April drop and I got notification last night. Doesn’t look like fedex even has the package, just label created.
Jun 21, 2018
Ze_Blitzkrieg
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SemicolnI joined the drop on Feb. 14th, which means they are not shipping in chronological order. Slightly frustrating. . .
Jun 21, 2018
Cokeman
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Ze_BlitzkriegMassdrop doesn’t ever ship in chronological order. It’s random.
Jun 21, 2018
samelight100
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GoldenEarthwow calm down! im saying MD plaining to sell 5k units in the first drop, but turns out only got 1.6k. After multiple drops still only got 3k. got nothing to do with it sux or not, just the fact that the numbers of sold not as good as they expected!
Jun 21, 2018
samelight100
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GoldenEarthand btw those sales numbers ar not good when u compare to the hd6xx, they sold 15k hd6xx in the first 3 weeks! and this hd58x got 3k after months!
Jun 21, 2018
GoldenEarth
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samelight100I was being a bit of a smartass when I posted that y ya bfitz explained it too me i thought you meant something else when you posted that my bad
Jun 21, 2018
Nyphon
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Jun 21, 2018
AverageRevolution
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Jun 22, 2018
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NyphonMine shipped today too earlier than expected I joined in Feburary
Jun 22, 2018
GoldenEarth
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AverageRevolutionSame here I'm so excited.
Jun 22, 2018
Mlcousi
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NyphonAwesome man! good luck!
Jun 22, 2018
Ovation
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samelight100There is some logic to the disparity. One is essentially a clone of a well known and well liked headphone at considerable discount, the other is a related but new edition to the family, so to speak. If the 58x prove satisfactory to the initial batch of buyers, I expect good word of mouth will drive up sales. But as a variant, rather than a clone, it likely won’t ever come close to the 6xx in sales.
Jun 22, 2018
GoldenEarth
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OvationI'm just gonna have to say only time will tell y it is possible to become more popular than the 6XX . Also its more of a variant than a clone
Jun 22, 2018
Ovation
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GoldenEarthI think we agree. The 58x is a variant rather than a clone. As such, until it’s out in the field, people are more likely to go with the clone they know. As for more popular, anything’s possible I suppose, but the 6xx has a gigantic head start.
Jun 22, 2018
GoldenEarth
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OvationSo did the xbox one y yet the Nintendo Switch within a year has sold half as many consoles as the xbox has
Jun 22, 2018
Tup3x
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samelight100It makes perfect sense that HD 58X Jubilee sold less. People knew exactly what they'll get with HD 6XX. HD 58X Jubilee is a mystery.
Jun 22, 2018
Afterman
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Tup3xYeah pretty much. That and the price difference from the HD650 to the HD6XX for the exact thing was a no brainer.
Jun 22, 2018
GoldenEarth
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That may be True but some people love the box, y its possible they'll raise it either in this drop or the next one to show that the 58X y 6XX are on equal footing even if it can possibly affect sales in a negative way, Granted it might change nothing. Although taste is also a big factor in this sort of thing too.
Jun 22, 2018
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AveryCi wonder why these were dropped before they were ready. seems iike it may be a quality headphone but eerily similar to the hd650 according to the graph
Jun 22, 2018
AMC4x4
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dwane5So $150 headphones with a very similar sound signature to ~$350-400 headphones? Works for me.
Also, got notice of shipping on mine as well - has anyone's actually shipped though? FedEx only says the label was created for mine. They weren't actually shipped. Looks like they're coming out of NJ though, so if they ship Monday, they'll likely get to me Tuesday which would mean getting them before we leave on Wednesday for ten days! Gonna be close!
Jun 22, 2018
dwane5
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AMC4x4fostex decided to get in on the modding game themselves. its true. the t60 is a modded fostex by fostex itself. and it has the same driver as the t50. i hear good things about it.
Jun 22, 2018
Tup3x
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AMC4x4Good point... They may actually ship on Monday.
Jun 22, 2018
AMC4x4
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Tup3xGuess there's still time to ship today as well. ;)
Jun 22, 2018
AndyKure
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AMC4x4Mine shipped at 2am this morning, actually shipped, they are currently in PA. i live fairly close to NJ (MI) but my expected arrival date is still Wednesday the 27th.
Jun 22, 2018
AMC4x4
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AndyKureCool! Thanks for the update. I just realized based on your timing that the long tracking # means this is likely one of those FedEx-handoff-to-USPS things, which would explain the extra time. Looks like I'll get it when I get back. :(
EDIT: Yep. The tracking works in either FedEx or USPS, so looks like the postal service will be delivering it, not FedEx. Cheers.
Jun 22, 2018
AndyKure
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AMC4x4I didn't know about the handoff but Its good news USPS will handle my package well, thank you for telling me.
Jun 22, 2018
Aika_Fuwa
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AMC4x4Mine was sent en route this morning. From NY as well
Jun 22, 2018
agentlovac
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AveryCMine Shipped and I ordered in April, wow I feel bad for people that ordered in Feb. and still don't have shipping confirmation.
Jun 22, 2018
Aja12
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agentlovacI ordered in Janurary and still have no shipping notification...
Jun 22, 2018
Aika_Fuwa
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agentlovacI ordered in Feb and got an order confirmation. Guess I'm one of the lucky ones ^^
Jun 22, 2018
Bassman
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AveryCI ordered March 15 and mine shipped late Thursday from N.J. to Kennesaw,Ga by Fedex/USPS Smart Post (more like slow post) and will arrive 6/28.
Jun 22, 2018
Nyphon
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BassmanYep, mine is scheduled to come in on the 30th, I live in AZ. I leave the 28th. First world problems eh?
Jun 22, 2018
Semicoln
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NyphonI got a shipment notification and tracking number Weds night. I’m April drop. Still doesn’t show any movement. So you just never know how it will end up.
Edit: And remember, if FedEx doesn’t have the package they can’t give an estimated arrival!
Jun 23, 2018
Descay90
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AveryCDear AveryC, I just received an email from Massdrop. Contents from first 2 para as followed:
"It has been brought to our attention that some of the Massdrop x Sennheiser HD 58X Jubilee Headphones shipped out with higher serial numbers than intended (over 501). If you are receiving this email, theres a chance you are receiving a higher serial number than expected. We apologize for this mix up and would like to help get this corrected.
If you would like to ensure that you receive headphones with a low serial number, we ask that you check your serial number on the outside of the box so that the unit can be returned before it is opened. "
THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE for customer who joined during the very first drop back in late December 2017. I understand there is option for me to exchange for a replacement that has a serial number lower than 500 if I received a set with serial number by more than 501. But this is so troublesome as I am using forwarding service for my unit. I based in Singapore and could only checked once the headset delivered by the forwarding company.
What if I received a unit with serial number by more than 501? Would Massdrop pay for the shipping service to ship the item from Singapore back to USA? Would Massdrop directly send me the unit with rectified serial number to my address in Singapore?
I hope my issue will be addressed. Thank you.
Jun 23, 2018
Lastoftheoldgods
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Descay90They got me on the serial number too. Except mine didn't actually make it out the door, so I guess instead they will be shipping next week.
Nothing like a bit more waiting while people who ordered months later get to enjoy their headphones first.
Jun 23, 2018
Descay90
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LastoftheoldgodsYes. I am super disappointed with Massdrop. I thought I was not affected by the serial number issues. But I am wronged.
I am affected and it has been shipped. I would hope Massdrop can take the extra miles to solve this issue to all affected customers as much as possible. Even compensate customers for all the time and trouble to get it right.
Jun 23, 2018
Mlcousi
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Descay90I also got the email, unless I got #1 that # doesn't really hold a lot of meaning for me.. It will not be worth sending the unit back just so I can get #84 instead of #557.. They sent out a message and offered to rectify the situation plus gave out 10 bucks credit towards a future drop.. I say well done MD in my book..
Jun 23, 2018
Descay90
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MlcousiYes. I do understand where you are coming from. But I still disappointed that this mistake can happen.
It was a promise by Massdrop that those who purchased during the first drop will get a serial number below 501 (for the first 500 buyers). It adds to the "exclusiveness" for those early supporters. Haha.
Jun 23, 2018
Mlcousi
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Descay90I totally understand the exclusivity thing, I got in right when the drop went live.. I got #39350 on my 6XX's and the only reason I know that is because I just looked at them to type that.. I also have 0 friends that would know to be impressed by a 58X with a # below 500.. Maybe I need new friends..
Jun 23, 2018
bsastor
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Descay90Let it go...They might find out that Singaporeans are famous for...*Hint: It starts with C...
Jun 23, 2018
Descay90
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bsastorHaha. Bsastor. Yes, Singaporeans are infamous for complaining.
Jun 23, 2018
Singularious
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Jun 23, 2018
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AveryCMassdrop, you are such a tease!
Like a mean woman leaning over for a kiss she's not gonna give.
Printing out FedEx labels on Wednesday and letting them sit on someone's desk till next week. Lol
Jun 23, 2018
kred
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SingulariousRight. My ears are turning blue #blueears
Jun 24, 2018
samelight100
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Singulariousbut at least u got a label and tracking... im still in " Order placed with the vendor" status.
Jun 25, 2018
That_Kiwi_Guy
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AveryCGot an email from Customs Clearance UK LTD asking to pay a £30 customs fee before my pair can be delivered. Is this legitimate? I've found some sources saying its a scam. Could you please help clear this up? And if it is legitimate, why was I not informed there would be fees for this earlier??
Jun 25, 2018
Dark_Neutrino
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That_Kiwi_GuyThat's legit, you have to pay sales tax when you import into the UK. I've always either paid online or at the post office during collection.
Jun 25, 2018
That_Kiwi_Guy
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Dark_NeutrinoI thought all the payments were included in the shipping payment. Not really happy about this but if this is what was expected of UK customers then I guess I have to.
Jun 25, 2018
Dark_Neutrino
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That_Kiwi_GuyYeah it sucks, that's why people have been asking for mass drop to distribute from somewhere in Europe to the Europeans but doubt it will happen. Buying from massdrop isn't worth it unless it's a unique item like this. Anyway enjoy your headphones.
Jun 25, 2018
BeerCanChicken
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SingulariousI still havent even gotten a shipping notice. People ordering Wednesday are going to have theirs before I get mine which is ridiculous.
Jun 25, 2018
Mlcousi
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Dec. 22nd
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GeneralLien
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MlcousiAny news? I am Dec 23,nI news
Jun 25, 2018
Mlcousi
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GeneralLienGot mine today, s# 3905.. In South Carolina..
Jun 25, 2018
Aja12
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I ordered Jan 16. No shipping notification, and when it does finally ship, it’s going to take about two weeks to get to me in Australia.
Jun 25, 2018
agentlovac
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Apr 17 :3
Jun 25, 2018
GoldenEarth
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MlcousiLucky, I'm a December order y its been in Pennsylvania for 3-4 days without moving. Says it will get to me July 2nd. I live in Washington State.
Jun 25, 2018
Fayne
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GoldenEarthHah. Lucky. Mine are also sitting in PA with a scheduled delivery to California on July 3rd.
Yay Smart Post.
Jun 25, 2018
AMC4x4
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Feb 15th. Got my shipping notice, but apparently the item hasn't been picked up by FedEx/USPS. Only label created mid last week.
Jun 25, 2018
Semicoln
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AMC4x4Same here bro
Jun 25, 2018
Mlcousi
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MlcousiThe grills look so odd.. the color makes them difficult to see through..
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Jun 25, 2018
Afterman
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MlcousiYeah, they were colored that way to be the same colorway of the HD580
Jun 25, 2018
Cokeman
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MlcousiTake them apart and paint them black. Super easy to do.
Jun 25, 2018
Semicoln
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MlcousiI think it’s very nice
Jun 25, 2018
Mlcousi
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SemicolnI don't dislike them, just used to looking at the 6XX's.. I am glad they look different though.. They also have the same headband padding as the 6XX's and not like what they show in the promo pictures..
Jun 25, 2018
MusicLover
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MlcousiSo what do you think? How do they sound so far.
Jun 26, 2018
Cokeman
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MlcousiWhat they are using the 2 bump and not the 4 like the 580 and 600? I‘m actually mad about that.
Jun 26, 2018
Nyphon
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MusicLoverI dont get all these people getting these headphones and being asked what they thing and no one responding...
Jun 26, 2018
MusicLover
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NyphonI think most people on this site don’t mind giving updates and opinions and if they don’t respond then that’s fine too. I’m not that good at writing reviews but I’m always happy to help when I can.
Jun 26, 2018
Mlcousi
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CokemanCorrect, exactly the same as the 6XX
Jun 26, 2018
Mlcousi
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MusicLoverOddly enough they seem just as hard to drive as the 6XX, plugged into the aune x1s they sound not as crisp as the 6XX but they do have more low end.. This is to my ears anyhow.. I use the darkvoice with my 6XX's and on a SS these are still more boomy..
Jun 26, 2018
Mlcousi
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CokemanThe headband cushions..
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Mlcousi
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NyphonI listen to mostly rock/metal and these suit my tastes well, I don't know what the 660s sound like but these are way different than the 600/6XX.. A phone will struggle to drive these, was using the topping NX1s with my phone and on high gain I had it on about 95% volume.. I would say these are closer to my sony MDR-1a to my 6XX sound wise..
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MlcousiI love that and hate that at the same time. I like that style better as far as comfort goes, but hate it because it doesn’t look right if these are supposed to be kind of a retro remaster of the 580s.
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CokemanI hang mine on a stand so it works out better for me..
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MlcousiA couple odd things.. The matte plastic driver housings are just that, very matte, almost textured.. The forks that hold the housing are not matte, but a shiny smooth plastic.. It looks odd and feels very odd.. And the grills fell very rough..
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MlcousiOh that looks terrible. I’m really starting to feel like these really are pr bad and just a cost cutting headphone.
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CokemanThey are definitely a frankenphone, I am no aesthetics snob or anything.. I like them so far..
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CokemanFor $150 I would buy them again..
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MlcousiThe headband padding being different than what was promised is disappointing. How can they get away with that?!? Should I worry about them being pink when they arrive too? Shame on you MD.
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Cokeman
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MlcousiI’m buying a set when they drop Tomorrow. I have the 600 650 and 660S so I will see how they compare to those.
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GrattleI can't tell if this is sarcasm or not..
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NyphonAfter swapping back and forth with the 6XX's.. The vocals are very forward in the 6XX, in the 58X everything else but the vocals is in your face..
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MlcousiMy concern with the new graph was that the bass would be too powerful and ruin the vocals, even though I don't like when the vocals are too forward or muffled. I like when they're at a nicely balanced level and I prefer when the melody (trebble and a bit of bass) is a bit more forward. From what you've experienced so far, do the vocals sound muffled ?
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lunaticprinceI don't think they sound muffled, not far off the 6XX, just everything else has been brought up above them..
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MlcousiOh I see so they have that "powerful" vibe. It's kinda nice depending on what you're listening to ! Thanks for the heads up !
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lunaticprincePerfect for my music style.. grunge, classic rock, metal..
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bsastorGrrrrr...now it is still at "Pending"... What's the hold up in front? Still have to wait for the forwarder Vpost godammit
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MlcousiI don't like that they changed the headband padding. Perhaps I'll buy the other one and swap them.
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Mark_MYou mean they aren't what it looks like in the drop photos anymore? WHAT?!
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Cokeman
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Mark_MHave you tried both styles of headband? I much prefer the 2 bump over the 4.
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Mark_MI'm positively surprised by it. I was preparing to change them but now I don't have to.
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bsastorit could be that he's referencing that the 58X has a different headband from the rest of the 6** series.
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There are no duties on Massdrop stuff coming to Canada. You have to pay HST or GST depending on what province you live in and a $10 custom clearance fee. For smaller items like my SMSL M3, I didn't pay a cent. Larger boxes like headphones always get hit, especially if coming by courier.
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Cokeman
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IceFlavoredCreamNo the 58X has the same headband as the 650, 6XX, and 660S. It was pictured with the same headband as the 580, 580 Jubilee, and 600.
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wcg66
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Unfortunately yes, although that's a reality of sales tax. If we buy headphones in Canada we get dinged with the same tax. Canadian Massdrop customers have to factor in that $10 plus HST plus US -> CAD conversion before buying.
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Did you get yours already? Mine got held up and reshipped due to serial number problem. I don't really care about the number but I'll have to wait. I'm hoping my rings up to $36 as well.
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MlcousiHe's got a point. This is Sennheiser, not some random company. You'd think they'd sell the product as advertised. And MD signs off on the QA.
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CokemanQuote-The forks that hold the housing are not matte, but a shiny smooth plastic. The original picture show the forks as being shiny and the rest being matte.
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BassmanYes, this is true.. The texture is what was off putting..
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AveryCWhy change the headband padding? I was looking forward to trying the older 4 bumps style padding.
I heard the 650-style padding is supposed to be more comfortable (something about distributing the weight equally), but I just can't get used to my 6XX. Feels like being strongly hugged all over - around the ears and on top of my head. Never had this experience with any other headphones.
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bsastorNew email advertising tomorrow's sale shows updated photos with the 2 cushion style.
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AveryCAre there any updates for us folks that had our orders stopped due to serialization issues? It's been almost a week and my order seems to be stuck in a pending status when I check the tracking number.
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jaydunndidditI had an update mine are arriving 4 days later. Wooohoo.
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jaydunndidditIt’s fucking ridiculous right? They are getting ready for the drop tomorrow with 2-3 business days shipping and here we are(who joined 6 months ago) still waiting.
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DendenYeah, it's a total bummer. I wasn't really fazed by it until I just got the email about a drop tomorrow and "fast shipping." Kinda felt like a kick in the nuts as mine seem to be in limbo and I haven't seen or received any further notification. It'd be rather messed up that after waiting 6 months someone can buy a new pair and get it almost immediately. That's pretty sideways.
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jaydunndidditSame. I didn’t really care about the fuck up. Shit happens. But when I saw AveryC’s update about the drop tomorrow with 2-3 business shipping, I was FURIOUS!
Meanwhile, my transaction info is still pending. You’re right about the kinda felt like a kick in the nuts feeling.
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Denden@jaydunndiddit Our logistics team just informed me that the orders held back due to the serialization issue will start shipping tomorrow. I apologize for the delay!
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AveryCThat’s good to know. Thanks for the update!
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AveryCWill our orders arrive sooner too? Mine have been in limbo for 4 days & went from arriving on the 2nd to the 6th of July.
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DendenWhat’s really sad is Massdrop doesn’t seem to understand how treating loyal customers like this is not just wrong but also bad for business. Why would anyone ever order early again when waiting six months you can get the same item for the same price before someone who made sure they were online and placed their order as one of the first eight purchased and is still waiting for that order?
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AveryCKudos. Thanks for the head's up. *lowers pitchfork*
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DendenWhat stinks is I got all excited because I got an email last week that said my headphones shipped just to find out they would sit for days with a label on them and now the date is set for the 5th
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jaydunndidditI have to admit that I agree with this post. I'm normally not too particular about a business, you know, doing business.
But when you make someone wait for six months, and then have other clients receive their product before those original clients do, it's very bad business. By just about any stretch of the imagination.
I wouldn't do it to my clients, and I'm a little bit disappointed that these guys would do it to theirs. I have been touting Massdrop all over the place for the past year, but this gives me pause for sure.
If I wanted to be treated like dirt, I'd sign up for Ebay again, or go work for Amazon. But as a consumer, I don't need it.
Would it have killed the bottom line to wait another week? I guess technically we are at the end of the quarter. Which tells you exactly what you are worth as a Massdrop client. Whatever makes the revenue tick upward. Just numbers. Just another company like THAT.
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AverageRevolution I don't even have an estimated delivery date yet. Last shipping info was from the 23rd of June. I'm getting pretty anxious.
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SingulariousI just got an update that my shipment will not arrive until July 3rd. This is quite a fine conundrum that Massdrop has itself in now. I have absolutely no motivation to pre-purchase any product from them again. Mainly because I know that I would be able to purchase it afterward and receive it faster (via expedited shipping) than taking the risk of being an early adopter.
I think the fine irony here, is that fewer products will actually make their required pre-purchase numbers if Massdrop continues this sort of CX.
Suddenly you have a chicken-and-egg problem where no one wants to commit to a product that's going to come out in 6 months when they know they can get it in two or three days once the drop makes. That then reduces the possibility that the drop will actually make. This is actually a large business problem in the long run.
So then, if Massdrop doesn't offer partnered products that are somewhat custom-built, how do they differ from any other retailer online? It's a question worth asking.
Is it the end of the world that I am going to receive my product after those ordering it tomorrow? Absolutely not. However, on the principle of things, it definitely has rubbed me the wrong way. And quite a bit too.
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MlcousiI wonder if you heard hd 598 and could compare with 58x... Since the price is almost identical, I am struggling at choosing between 58x, 598 and 600 (these are ofc more expensive)
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mtaarI own the 599's.. I don't know how similar they are to the 598's though.. the 599 are light and spacious the 58X's are punchy and tight.. they are polar opposites.. I only use my 599's for gaming, but I plugged them in for a little a/b comparison just to make sure.. the bass they got out of these 58X's is impressive..
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Mlcousi599 is very close and intense.
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Mlcousicould you elaborate more on how 58X compares to 599's. I would greatly appreciate it!
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AveryCWhere is the dislike button?
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Singulariouswhy ppl keep saying 6 months? "Date Purchased Nov 28, 2017", thats 7 months of waitting !!
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Mine arrived this morning, love them.
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Congrats to your kids on graduation! Summer is great, hope they love High School (and you love your new headphones)
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That_Kiwi_GuyI will end up paying 30% of SRP + shipping as duty. Maybe more if the customs officer is in a bad mood :) So, I get only exclusive products from massdrop. Other stuff is just not worth it.
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AveryCWhat was changed acoustically to get more bass-extension?
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MlcousiReally!!? That is some bs, I was hoping of getting the old style headband which I find more comfortable, that's not cool them showing those pictures.
How do they sound though, do they sound like $150 headphones or $500 headphones?
Edit: here is the original vs the new because they recently changed the page to reflect the new headband. NEW ONE
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MlcousiIf I may interject. The 599 and 58x are not on any of the same levels. The 58x is part of the 6xx family.
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mtaarA couple years ago I went from 598s to 600s and the difference is great. I had good speakers but it was the first time I went "wow, this is what good headphones sound like". I think choosing these (58X) or HD600 over the 598s is a no brainer. The 58X is actually part of the 600 family and at $149 could very well be the best value in headphones right now.
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SingulariousYeah, I agree. Coupled with the fact that they aren't going to cost more , what is the benefit of buying in 6-7 months in advance? It's almost like Kickstarter but with that, you at least get discounted pricing for buying in early.
*Maybe at least get a $10 referral credit or something since by joining we are in a way, referring.
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ChiropractorFor $150 it's not really a hard choice..
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MlcousiHow do you compare it to the 6xx ?
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So what do you compare it with ?
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samelight100How do you compare them to the 600 or dt 990
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AveryCSo if I pay for the faster shipping where they arrive in 4 business days they have to be here on the 3rd correct? That is kind of important for me.
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In the marshmallow test, there's incentive; that's the point of the test: patience and reward. In this case, there's no incentive by waiting. I'm not getting a better deal. I'm not getting them faster. I'm not getting a 2nd marshmallow. I joined the drop because I was willing to wait for what I hoped was a good reward; I'm fine with that. But by selling them so quickly after production and at the same price, all they're doing is undermining their business model. I ultimately don't care but if that keeps happening, because people know they can just wait until a product is completed, I can't say that it would bode well for future collaborative drops like this because nobody would sign up.
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CokemanMine actually left NJ late Monday night and are now only 180 miles from my house outside Dallas, TX. My estimated arrival date is Saturday. Hopefully the USPS handoff doesn‘t slow it down so much that they can’t be here sooner since they are so close.
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BeerCanChickenThe community gave its initial thoughts. And massdrop x sennheiser hopped on it and made it right. U have to give credit where it's due.
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AveryCHi everybody, Just received mine in Lyon, France - number 2446, if anyone cares. Really pleased so far - I would describe them, sonically speaking, as HD 650 having a little more sub-bass, a little more punch and perhaps a little less refinement - but it could be just me, or the fact they need a couple hours to burn in. They're not as flat as HD 600 or HD 580, having slightly laid back highs - which also make them less fatiguing to my ears. Really worth the time I waited for them, and a amazing bargain at this price.
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These are clampy, I would assume they are similar to the other "600" series cans.. They are the same as the 6XX..
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I can't tell you because I bought my HD 600 secondhand, but those 58x clamp a lot. Of course, there's an easy way to soften this clamp - see supra.
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dwane5What are the HD570’s comparable to?
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Mohannad13Definitely a lot different.. I guess it depends on what you like to listen to.. They have more bass and mids, vocals sound better on the 6XX..
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AverageRevolutionShipping Notice last week, then 5 days of nothing, then delayed to July 5th. not happy about it.
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MissDropWhere do you see your expected delivery date ? I live in Canada maybe that's why I can't see it ?
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lunaticprinceI can see the exspected delivery date when clicking on the FEDEX tracking number.
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MissDropMine is with USPS and they didn't give me an expected delivery date maybe that's why ! Thanks !
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samelight100Because you get what you pay for most of the time. I think these are going to be a smidge better, or on par with the HD 598's.
People who are saying this is a rebranded 660 are kidding themselves.
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MlcousiSame ones I own. They are great but something about them makes me desire more. But I would say next to none for a headphone to use with a phone listening to music or watching a movie off them.. Gaming is also great with them.
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YaBoyRobWho said these are a rebranded 660?
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blue2kid3They are a great gaming headphone..
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YaBoyRob"you get what you pay for".... i don't like the sound of that, especially when MD doing the adv and put a freq res side by side comparison with the 650 and 660s. i would call that false advertising if the sound quality just "par with the HD 598's" and no way never 660. anyway i have not received it yet, will c how it goes. btw 598 just $80+ from amazon...
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CokemanFor me it says 2-3 work days to ship. Then another 5-10 days for them to arrive. Maybe people don't realize that.
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samelight100Whoever brought up the 598 has literally no idea what they are talking about
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MissDropMine were shipped but now it says they will arrive by July 14th. EDIT: I'm not mad or anything and honestly expected this, plus its still earlier than expected, but this is my first Drop and its a bit weird.
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SemicolnHe just asked what the difference was, if you look at prices they are both in the $150 range..
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MlcousiOh gotcha. My bad whoever. Anxious over here.
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agentlovacno don't listen to MD fan's BS, u ar a customer if u feel being treated unfairly, then u have all the rights to be mad, the shame is on them! not just u, lots of old customers feeling unfair too, and a brainless fan trying to silence them with the word "petty", i just told him to fk himself.
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YaBoyRobYea that came right out of YT reviewers mouth's. Thats something I couldn't grasp but for the price I am willing to check em out myself for sure
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agentlovacThat’s odd. I live outside Dallas, TX and mine actually started moving late Monday night. April drop.
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What's the colour of the grills bfitz?
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SemicolnThis is my Shipment History, I assume this is what most people got when it first was announced it shipped, I don't like to say where I live, but its about 3 hours by Plane from where this Fedex is. Like I said this is still before it actually was supposed to arrive, but its a bit odd it will take up to July 14th for my package to arrive.
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BeerCanChickenYeah, my bad. I just realized this was the thread for the 58x, not the 6xx. I was baffled by why people were complaining so much when the delivery expectations had been more or less the same since the start of the runs (for the 6xx). Yeah, I'd be really sore too if I funded the first run and got pushed to the end of the line.
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agentlovacMine are at Ellenwood, Ga too and scheduled for Saturday. Fedex Smartpost is like strapping it to a turtles back and saying “on your way”!
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AveryCCould you describe the packaging, please? I understand that it doesn't come with a nice hard case as HD6XX does, but is there any pouch or carrying case included?
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AverageRevolution
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BassmanMine originally said that they wouldn't arrive til next Friday now they are scheduled for Tuesday and only 2 1/2 hrs away so maybe there is hope
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BeerCanChickenLooks like you got your wish! MD just issued a $10 credit for their mistake.
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bsastoronce again fk the $10 sorry credit, u always got the $10 welcome credit and $10 referral credit.
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samelight100OK ok....once again calm the f down, you're gonna burst an aneurysm...
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faithinlightVery basic packaging, no where near the 6XX..
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VollyThe grills are gray..
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Mlcousi" The packaging will be simplified to reduce cost.  The 600/650/6XX come in hefty “presentation boxes” which may be piling up in your closet. "
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Mlcousish*t don't even have a proper box to store it ?!
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CokemanNow I have a small cardboard box piled in my closet..
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MlcousiExactly, you'd have to be insane to throw away headphone boxes. That's like 30-40% of the headphone value when you go to resell them.
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Cokemansince when "simplified" means taking away completely? and he should said that in the drop webpage not a msg in the forum...
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samelight100The lack of weight probably saved them a poop ton on shipping costs.. The 6XX box was quite weighty..
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Mlcousinow i have to buy a hanger.....after all those disappointments it better sound great...
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samelight100No one actually used that box though, but I'm still disappointed to not have it.
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CokemanWill it make you feel better if I just used it for sitting Cokes on?
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Cokemanwhat u mean no one! im using the presentation boxes to store all my heaphones and iems, since i don't have a hanger why not ?
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samelight100Because they are too big to sit on table. Take up way too much space.
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MlcousiThanks for uploading the photos. I wish they included a carrying case at least..
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faithinlightNone of the 600 series ever came with a carrying case, because mostly they never intended you to carry them anyway. They are open you know.
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Cokemanif u keep it upright, it wont take up much more space then a hanger.
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faithinlightCan't expect them to offer a carrying case for the price they are offering it at. But it would have been nice if they offered it as an option. I always wished they would offer custom cable options when ordering headphones. I would have liked shorter 1/8 inch cables or 6-10 feet 1/4 inch cables.
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samelight100Do you have any of the boxes? They are huge . I guess they don’t take up much more room than a stand vertical but that’s annoying to have to open it.
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Cokemani got the 6xx, not that "huge". i found more annoying to tight up the cables with a hanger then throw them back to the box.
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faithinlightThey did, your hands will be the carryall
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MlcousiHrmmmm....I was thinking they'd turn out close to silver, more like my 650's unless my monitor needs recalibrating?!
The money shots MD took, look different!
Happy listening my friend!
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MlcousiThey did say they are going to cheap out on packaging to help reduce the price
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faithinlightWill did mention that they are not designed for portable use even though your portable device can power it sufficiently.
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samelight100Try having three of them XD
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CokemanHaving three of them with stands or hangers is not going sound any better, u don't have the space becoz of u having 3, doesn't matter in the box or not...
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samelight100Under desk hangers take up very little room.
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MlcousiThey look really nice. Can't wait for mine. I do wish they had kept the original headband padding though. I really wanted to try it and compare to the 6XX which I have.
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MlcousiThe 599's have stronger bass response then the 598's.
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Righto! Ty.
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samelight100i have a strong feeling it'll be better than the hd598, considering its double the price and made with collaboration massdrop which usually implies really good bang for buck.
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alvarghard to say... i don't have it yet but lots ppl does and i don't c lots of good feedbacks, don't know whether ppl ar too lazy to write a review or just nothing good worth to mentioning.
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samelight100people are much more likely to write a bad review than a good one, people who are happy with a purchase generally don't say anything.
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CokemanIf someone was to buy a case, which case would they buy? How to know which one will fit best?
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Mlcousi:)) mine will arrive today too, and thanks for showing the packaging ; otherwise, I would be shocked lol..... anyway I think they did that to reduce the cost. 6xx, 58x, 650, 600 even 660s use pretty much similar drivers....I guess
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hyperlinkedWord. I'm not super pissed or anything and I want people to be able to get good headphones. It was just a Massdrop existential crisis for me. What was it all for, man? haha. I havent checked my email yet but if we got a $10 credit as others have said, that's good enough for me.
*Though I still wonder why Media Mail ships faster than what ever Fedex hybrid they use.
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NIKE2000Packaging aside, they are well worth the investment..
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bsastorDid you get an email? I don't see one.
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alvargthen why this logic wont apply to the hd6xx?
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faithinlightNope, just the box and 1/4 inch adapter. Sadly nothing else.
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Aja12Almost everyone when it was announced that the same drivers are used in these as well as some other things they share. This was at the beginning, I think the amount sold tells the whole story, and looks like these are not gonna come close to the 6xx.
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YaBoyRobThat has yet to be seen. This is a brand new product just because it has a rough start doesn't mean it won't be successful.
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samelight100Yeah but the 598's were over $200 when they premiered, and we're highly rated and praised, and that sold at that price for a couple of years. Hahaha false advertising, that's rich, like MD hasn't done some of the shadiest things in the past year. I used to buy stuff from here all the time, but now just basically find something I'm interested in and buy it right away from Amazon for maybe $10 more and get it in 2 days. Massdrop is far from what it used to be.I think a LOT of other people are feeling the same as evidenced in the sales of these very headphones. Not even CLOSE to the homerun they figured to hit, I'm sure. I hope all you guys get a great deal and that these sound amazing, I really do. I have to many headphones now.
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YaBoyRobDude, you’re dribbling crap. Blah, blah, Massdrop sucks, buy from Amazon. Blah, blah, these were supposed to be the 600’s. Have you read the DIY review? Feeback on forums? It’s all positive. The only negativity around the 58x is from people who aren’t actually buying them.
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OuateThePhoqueJust wondering how much you had to pay for import taxes?
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Aja12I can't blame anyone for having issues with Massdrop, Smartpost, or even the way this particular drop panned out, but one thing's for sure... this is one good pair of headphones for the price.
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YaBoyRobno, the special made SR version from amazon the hightest was$120. when u adv a car, use a racing scene put it side by side with a ferrari, and turns out the speed limit of this car was 60km/h, i don't know what u thinking but thats false advertising to me. Shadiest ? maybe not but definitely shameless. once again i have not received it yet, hopfully it really can pick up the race against the 6 series not 5.
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Aja12here is the problem, when u read those so called "DIY review" or feebacks on forums, they ar not entirely complementing, sure they sound like it but its not! i will give u an example, most of the review or feebacks for this headphone was punchy and tight bass, infact thats the only pro vs the 6 series from everyone. But is that a complement? im not sure becoz those ar the words ppl use to used on balanced armature drivers, im not saying they BA drivers ar not good but most of the ppl prefer the bass of dynamic drivers. im not sure my comments can count as negativity or not, all i can say it i actually bought one, haven't received it yet and i don't like what i have read from the reviews so far.
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samelight100Nobody is saying the 58x is perfect, and those with realistic expectations will be factoring in the $150 cost. The DIY review is a comprehensive breakdown of every aspect, which ends with...
“The HD58X Jubilee is an excellent entry level headphone. When looking for an excellent and realsitic sound reproduction the HD58X should definitely be on your list. With some easy to perform modifications it can sound as good as the much more expensive HD660S for a fraction of the price with a sound quality punching far above its price.“
What else are people expecting for $150? 600 clones? 660 clones?
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AveryCWhy are so many people complaining about literally every aspect of this drop? It's gotten to the point of absurdity now.
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Aja12im not saying it have to be perfect. Doesn't matter what the price is, when u doing adv and put it side by side up against 650 and 660s, ppl will expect it to have close performances like a "clone" to the 6 series, regardless what the price is. cheap price doesn't mean u could deliver less then what u have promised.
and btw
"The HD58X Jubilee is an excellent entry level headphone. When looking for an excellent and realsitic sound reproduction the HD58X should definitely be on your list"
those sentences were used on 600 and 650 be4. so don't ask ur customer "what u expecting from $150" now ! ask them be4 they paid !
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samelight100I’m not sure what you’ve been reading, but from everything I’ve read, it DOES have similar performance to the 6 family, and absolutely belongs in that family. The tuning has triggered a small percentage of people. That’s fine, thats preferential, but it doesn’t make these inferior to anything or that they’ve “delivered less“ than what was “promised“.
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Aja12I’m not sure what you’ve been reading, maybe u could give me a link of the "have similar performance to the 6 family" u were talking about. i mean not from a paid reviewer, but an actual customer. lets say in this forum and this post! i don't c any one saying that except u !
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Aja12Or its build quality
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bsastor150ohm aint exactly portable levels, under 100 is all you should use on portable devices
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samelight1006xx is 650 which has been around for 20 years even if the 6xx variant hasn't. So people already knew what to expect from them hd58x new kid on block and only $150 honestly if this came out 20 years ago it would of been viewed as legendary price to performance ratio.
If these give me a similar sound to the hd650 with tighter bass ill be happy, i have pretty realistic expectations for these anyway.
If the resolution is significantly worse then I'll be disappointed.
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BeerCanChickenI got an email yesterday. And today mine just shipped.
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Aja12why u still give me the links of some paid reviewers?? not sure about superbestaudiofriends but head-fi's reputation is in hell now. they got the fk "troller" policy if u saying anything bad for damn product ur comment will be del.
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MlcousiYeah, what we want is the actual headphone. I don't want them to have to include a bunch of fluff and jack up the price any higher. Quality sound yo!
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alvargya me too, but from the reviews of this forum, im worried and most likely we wil be disappointed.
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bsastorMine just shipped...again! But with a new label now. I think i should track the new one.
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samelight100Lol, ok man. You’re delusional, , believe what you want. We’re just clogging up this thread with pointless garbage. Enjoy not owning the 58x.
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samelight100Human beings are always afraid and worried about the unknown. There is no turning back now anyways so i suggest just sit back and enjoy what is coming to you.
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Aja12wth u talking about ? i haven't received it yet and im not saying its bad atm! all im saying is if it turns out sux, don't use the price as an excuse!
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bsastorSome human beings can smell something is not right, be prepared and they survived. im not worried, i just don't like the sound of "$150 what u expecting?"
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samelight100“$150 what u expecting” is not the same as factoring in the cost when making an assessment.
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samelight100My god you can carry on. Reserve your judgement for when you actually receive the headphones and then make a justified assessment.
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samelight100Do tell how you like them when you can
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KioshiI have paid 50 bucks for a set of phillips SHP9500 and I would say they sound pretty damn good for a $200 set of cans.. I have also paid around $200 for the HD599's, are they better than the 9500's? I paid $200 for the HD6XX's, do they sound $150 better than the 9500's? I would say no.. I also paid $150 for the 58X's and I am enjoying them, as everyone who bought them should.. I understand that bitching and moaning about shipping time or lack their of are common on here, but come on.. This is supposed to be a community..
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AzaaaHi, actual user reviews have started trickling out. Even though these were supposed to be similar to HD600, opinion is that these are closer to HD650, but with lower resolution/details, thought they admit that is only discernible only on high-end source gear. Some people admit that the glossy black finish looks more plastic-y than original 650's finish. Still, it looks better than the stupid ivory finish of 599s
Personally, I am more interested in use-case with DAPs, so the better drive-ablility and the lack of the so-called 'veil' with low powered gear is appreciated. I never expected it to perform as well as 650s, but the current buzz seems to be favorable. Better than I expected.
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Azaaaim judging on the commemt "$150 what u expecting?" , why i have to wait until i actually received? i dont understand ur logic behind this. maybe only god knows.
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samelight100Dude seriously, you have NO clue what you're talking about. I bought the ones in the following link on March 3, 2015 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0042A8CW2/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1 at that time they were on a super sale for like $120, which usually only happened once a year. Now they are selling for over $360.00, at least in that add. Those were the hottest "entry level" headphones at the time. I thought they were AMAZING until I got AKG K712 Pro's, then thought those were amazing (still do), then I got Audeze LCD-XC's which are probably my final headphone for a while. To be honest I don't think they sound $1500 better than the K712's, but they are my favorite, and best (and heaviest) right now. I have the 6xx and prefer the K712's over those any day of the week. Come to think about it, I still have some HD 420's I prefer over the 6xx. Just have to listen to them through my Marantz receiver as they are old and hard to drive.
“The HD58X Jubilee is an excellent entry level headphone. When looking for an excellent and realistic sound reproduction the HD58X should definitely be on your list" THIS is one of the reasons I think they will be not much better than the 598's, which isn't necessarily a bad thing I guess, especially for the price.
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Aja12Hahaha dude, I'm on your side, I hope enjoy the hell out of them, but from what I'm reading now, that looks unlikely. They just over-hyped these to the moon, and have now delivered a mediocre product according to what I'm reading.
Oh well, you can't hit a home run every time you come up to bat. Just sucks that some of you guys fell for it, but at least not that many looking at the numbers sold. I knew something didn't seem right...apparently so did thousands more.
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VBarplease send a link for that, because in one review I saw they said the 599's were better....and that was the nicest one.
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YaBoyRobdude, can u read?im talking about the sr verion from amazon ! the one u got there is NOT ! just in case u still not clear , let me say it again im talking about hd598SR and what u got there is hd598SE or older.
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YaBoyRobI have K712 Pro and absolutely hate them. Grainy, ear straining mess and not very comfortable. I rate even Sennheiser MX 760 earbuds higher and have kept using my HD 595s.
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YaBoyRob
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Tup3xWow, you may want to return those podnah, looks like you got a bad pair! If you are using them without an amp, that is your problem. They are VERY power hungry. My Asgard 2 drives it well, and the Vali 2 on low gain does OK all the way up. On high gain, can go to about 11 o'clock, but it doesn't sound as good. So get yourself an amp bro, as the K712 are not even close to listenable without one.
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samelight100Yes I read that the first time, but the way you made it sound was that, no way are those that expensive. I thought that because you first word was no....what are the SR's closed or something? Mine are open, and have a pretty good sound-stage actually.
Also have you read any good reviews on this 58x yet? I have only read 2 that were lukewarm.
EDIT Just found the SR's they are open and they cost $175 https://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HD-598-SR-Open-Back/dp/B06WRMZZ45/ref=dp_ob_title_ce The closed pair is $150
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YaBoyRob
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Aja12Enjoy owning the headphones that got the following review, and I'll just paste a couple of lines of it.
Let me begin by saying that these are NOT audiophile headphones. Anyone who buys these expecting extreme detail and resolution will be disappointed. the reason I said these are not audiophile headphones is because they lack frequency separation. The bass leaks into the mids and mids leak into highs. Some might say this makes them sound “muddy”, whereas I describe the sound as relaxed. It’s pleasant to listen to and for someone who hasn’t heard HiFi headphones, it will be amazing. However, for me, it was a bit distracting particularly in classical music. For instance, in a piano concerto, during a cadenza, I expect to hear the bassists, cellist, and drums in the low end; brass and woodwinds in the mids; violas and violins in the highs, and piano throughout these ranges.
And he continues:
With these, the bass frequencies heavily bleed into the mids so it sounds like a loud smear of frequencies. This isn’t a deal breaker for me because I have the Philips X2s, which is one of the best at instrument separation, but if someone is looking for a single all-around headphone, this is not the one.

Oh and 1 more just for good measure: It is the sound clarity that really disappoints, though. To be sure, these are the least expensive headphones that I own, but going from these to a $200 pair of AKGs on the same song yields a remarkable improvement in sound clarity, and a soundstage that is bigger. These are not remotely audiophile headphones.
BOOOOOMMMMMM!!!!!! Anyways, enjoy your new headphones.....
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YaBoyRobSR is open back too just same as the 6xx to 650, same driver same design, just special made and sale by amazon/massdrop. they ar not "that expensive" always around $120 since released and $80 on special.
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bsastorYeah, I just got the 6xx. I was dumbfounded at how large the box was. If I'd save $50 by returning the box, I'd gladly do it.
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hyperlinkeddream it ! the box took them less the $1 to made in China.
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YaBoyRobIt's funny the reveiewer you quoted (without links) talks about classical listening ing on the X2 which is a rather gritty headphone with treble that isn't all that refined. I wouldn't classify the X2 as an "audiophile" headphone either let alone most AKGs. If it were more similar to an HD800, Focal Utopia, Beyerdynamic T1, Audeze LCD4, ZMF Eikin, HiFiMan HE1000, etc. then I'd agree these headphones were truly audiophile.
The 58X is a great entry point for people new to this hobby to start understanding what "better" sound is. If you really thought they'd be more than that then that's on you. I personally bought them to see if they fix what I don't like about my 6XX as I'm ready to sell them. If they indeed have the bass response I'm looking for and aren't as laid back, then for $150 I'll be happy.
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samelight100Dude, maybe you don’t need to comment on everything. Everyone you reply to ends up hating you.
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jaydunndiddit"If you really thought they'd be more than that then that's on you. "... i wish when they use the 6xx's freq res as a side by side comparison, they should say something like "its there for just filling up the blanks, if u really thought 58x have a close performance as the 6xx and 660s then that's on you. "
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hyperlinked Dude, im not here to make ppl fall in love with me ! this is not a north korea‘s server, u know whats "freedom of speech" ??u don't like my comments ? close the damn window! wth did i say to make u want to silence me ? the damn box cost less then $1 to make thats just the fact, i don't get hows it upsets u ?
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samelight100My $50 comment was in the context of other people who are saying the 58x HD is pretty close to being a 6xx without the packaging. If that's true, I'd gladly give up the packaging. Some people seemed to like the packaging. I didn't. If I could get rid of it and save money, I'm all for it.
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hyperlinkedim not sure where u get that from but im sure the guy u replied didn't say that.
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samelight100I have no idea what you're trying to say. Not trying to be mean but what you typed wasn't a coherent thought or response.
In regard to the frequency response, it's only a guideline. Headphones can have near-identical response charts and still sound different in real life. If anything, CSD, distortion, 30/300hz square wave, etc. give us more to go on about a headphone than frequency response alone. But, at the end of the day, the only thing that matters is how it sounds to our ears.
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AveryCWow. 5000 headphones to be shipped in about a week's time? Can you posts pictures of the warehouse?
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YaBoyRobinteresting, do you have the k7xx or a different akg, i always found akg to sound midbass anemic and have to much air.
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jaydunndiddityou again haha, yeah similar reason here, i bought them not to replace my hd650s but to see if they could do something my hd650s don't and that is give decent bass impact (less mid bass emphasis), i don't mind losing resolution because a lot of the music i listen to is poorly recorded anyway and the resolution of the hd650 can make that pretty noticeable. plus i've heard reviews say that this has stronger bass but it is faster and tighter than the hd650s, we shall see.
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jaydunndidditIl think you're going to like those 58x. I have been listening to them for a couple of hours now, and I confirm they're not as resolved and refined as the hd 650/6xx, especially on high-end devices, but that they're not as laid back in the mids (not as "veiled" generally speaking), that they have a bigger impact in the bass region, and that they have that non-fatiguing et well-balanced signature well-known in the 6xx family. They are very pleasing and fun out of a Fiio x7 am2, which is my portable device.
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alvargYeah, SBAF has some good overlays and insight into the latest revision: https://www.superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/massdrop-hd58x-revised-review-and-measurements.6530/.
After seeing the distortions (sans the odd spike) and CSD, I am more excited about these than I was prior. From everything I have read so far, these seem to be what I really wanted out of the 6XX but with poorer overall detail retrieval comparatively. That, I am OK with. After getting the Elex, I never reach for the 6XX at all. The Elex is just superior in every regard (to me). I really find no reason to even use my 6XX any longer. So, may as well sell it off to someone that can appreciate it more than I can at this point.
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OuateThePhoqueExactly what I want to hear. Thanks.
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jaydunndidditI already own the 6XX and Elex, and now the 58X. I'm in the same boat as you (don't really use the 6XX in lieu of the Elex) and your description of the 58X is pretty much how I've described it after a day and a half. The 6XX is "better," but the 58X is the one I'm actually listening to against the Elex and plan on keeping/modding.
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oh well.. until the OCD kicks in. you WILL correct the cable.
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YaBoyRobI have O2 and Sound BlasterX AE-5. Both can easily drive it. O2 sounds worse (because way more stereo crosstalk and less dynamic range). Either my pair is poop or that's just how they sound. Maybe my ear shape doesn't work with them, I don't know.
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MlcousiSabaton?
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jaydunndidditI ended up returning my elex had some issues and overall i didn't feel they were worth the price over the 6xx
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MlcousiWhat are you talking about? You might have to quote where I was bitching about the 58x Jubilee. I believe one of the last things I said on here was telling a buddy that the drop was up and that I was looking forward to them. Oh and that I would check around for reviews. Did I complain while sleep walking here or did you click my name by accident? I didn't order them until yesterday, what could I have complained about prior?
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KioshiLmao in looking at what you replied to I can't help but laugh. I said to someone "do tell how you like them when you can". You definitely replied to the wrong person buddy. You gotta find someone else to pick on. Oh and also please check your grammar because it was a bit difficult understanding what you were saying. You paid 50 bux for shps and 200 for them?
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YaBoyRobQuoting a review without a link to the review? Good work, dude. I could easily cut and paste quotes from numerous reviews that completely contradict your cut and pasted “review”. With actual links too. BOOOOOOOM!!! Enjoy not owning these.
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Aja12I am with u there. Show the link if you quote a review.
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alvargSorry to hear that you returned the Elex. I’m now setting up a dedicated fanless, clean PC rig for listening and just tried a true 5.6 DSD, not-upsampled, last night,, the Elex’s did not disappoint, they met the challenge and delivered.
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alvargThat's unfortunate. What issues were you having? I had some with my first pair but the replacement that was sent resolved the clipping issue I was experiencing. Thus far, they are my favorite open-back pair. For me, they've been a home run. I only have a few more sets I want to purchase before reevaluating my equipment and selling everything not needed for a Utopia. Unless something amazing comes out between then, that's my endgame. And with iFi releasing the Pro iDSD, I think I have a setup I could officially be content with for a very long while.
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jaydunndidditwell overall, i felt they definitely sounded good it was that they took away from the pleasant nature that the hd650 do music, make everything too energetic, that and because they weren't as neutral some songs worked really great, and others not so much, overall i bought them to remove the slight veil the hd650s have and they did that but they also did things i didn't like, for example in metal i like to hear guitars very clearly and distinctly and well the elex kind of made drums/vocals more of a focus than the guitars
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alvargSabaton?
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NyrmetrosWhat does that mean?
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alvargThey're a power metal group. Never heard of them and had to Google it. After a quick listen, not really my cup of tea. I tend to lean more towards Dethklok, Mastodon, Opeth, Lamb of God, Trivium, etc. The premise behind the band is kinda cool though.
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alvargHave you tried listening to Sabaton with the new headphones?
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Nyrmetrosnever listened to sabaton before and i don't have the hd58x yet.
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alvargWhen your headphones arrive, give Sabaton a listen with them and let me know what you think. 👂
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jaydunndidditTrivium are big fans of Sabaton.
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NyrmetrosLost Battalion sounds amazing.
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Desdinova12Amazing song! Headphones really make music come alive.
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Desdinova12What is this... I never heard music like this. It’s like if Final Fantasy and Escape from Monkey Island had a baby. It’s really good.
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MegazineYou just described like, 99% of power metal. Great genre. Expect a lot of cheese. Sabaton is no exception
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samelight100You're arguing over boxes, in a comment thread for an entry level audiophile headphone, seemingly designed for people who are starting to get into the hobby. Grow up.
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Also replying to @jaydunndiddit @frivoflava29 I'm with you guys here and there. I love the 58X; they have the bass I've been looking for which were lacking in my 6XX and other cans. The base is tight, and not overpowering. I concur with the 6XX having more detail and clarity. 6XX mids and highs are more precise and clear. 6XX also offers better instrument separation.
Ok, so here is why the 58X are still special to me, and why I will be keeping mine. On my high-end Pioneer receiver (SC-65) the 6xx performance is better but, once I go mobile, the 58X truly shines. I keep it simple, iPhone X driven by Dragonfly Black. Since the 58X is only 150ohms, you get great sound quality: warm, bass, neutral, volume output. They are more enjoyable than my 6xx when it comes to mobile, since the 6XX needs more power to gain it's benefits. Again this is my preference; I'm sure if you have portable equipment that are powerful enough to drivethe 6XX than 6XX is the way to go.
**Here is something I found interesting. Using my portable setup, the Jubilee 58X outshines my HE4XX (30ohms). Although the HE4XX sound signature is very different (love the spacious sound), the 58X volume output was higher. The sound was also more clear over my HE4XX and there is more detail.
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Megazinewhich version of dragonfly black u got ?
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samelight100He said he’s using his DFB with his iPhone, and there’s only one version - v 1.5 - that is compatible with mobile devices.
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Aja12there ar 3 versions of DFB they all compatible with iPhones. for android mobiles, the first 2 u need an app to get to max volume thats all. in their official website it said only support up to 100ohms for the 3rd version, so when he said no problem for the hd58x i want to know which version is he using.
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samelight100Well, @Aja12 is sort of right, as only the new version (v1.5) is called 'Black'. They started using the label "Black" only after the launch of "Red"
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MegazineHow would you compare 58X and 4XX for a desktop setup/use-case?
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KioshiYou should read @Mlcousi's message again. He wasn't picking on you nor did he say anything that warranted such an aggressive response.
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samelight100The latest: Dragonfly Black v1.5 with latest update.
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YaBoyRobWhy are you so deadset to force your subjective views to everybody? We all have different tastes. Just because you prefer the K712 does not mean that everyone should like it too!
PS: I didn’t like my K712. What are you gonna do about it? Crucify me?
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Aja12Thanks for clarification. I picked up Dragonfly Red today. Hopfully I’ll put it through the dungeon and report back. Maybe by tomorrow if I’m free.
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KioshiI replied to the wrong person? So I am not the only one that doesn't know how to reply? You replied to yourself.. I paid 50 for them but I would have paid 200 after hearing them.. Mo betta? I also didn't think I was picking on anyone.. Sorry if I hurt your feelings buddy..
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Megazinehey with the Dragonfly Black, any hissing with low imp IEMs? i hearded ppl said it will hiss, how bad is it ?
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jaydunndidditRight, well i received mine today. Gotta say im very happy with what i've received, it does seem to lose a little resolution compared to the hd650, but at the same time it does not have any veil and with similar levels of sub-bass and mid-bass to low mids but with a better transient response and punch, this the best headphone for metal out of all the 600 line. Except for maybe the hd660s which i haven't heard yet and will probably buy now.
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alvargAgreed. The 58X for me thus far is superior to the 6XX. I have to try very hard to find any legitimate faults with it beyond nit-picking. Even used it for some gaming and movies and found them pretty resolving with a pretty good soundstage. For their cost, these are a no-brainer.
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jaydunndiddityeah if the hd660s is like this but even better more resolving etc then i can see why it replaced the hd650. Where i live the hd660s retails at $800 but i've found a deal going for $550 so i think i may get them. people say the hd650 scale really well and potentially better than the hd660s but honestly if i can't get the best out of a $300 headphone without a $2000 dollar amp then something isn't right.
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alvargHD 58X Jubilee has quite a bit different bass than HD 660 S so HD 58X Jubilee could be better for some.
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Tup3xQuite a bit different bass?
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Tracks Used: Daft Punk-Motherboard 070 Shake-Glitter Kamasi Washington-Fists of Fury Sabaton-The Last Stand (Due to recommendations in comments) Gorillaz-Lake Zurich
“How would you compare 58X and 4XX for a desktop setup/use-case?” Using Dragonfly Red, USB to USB-C on a MacBook Pro with iTunes -Right off the bat, both sets are brighter unlike on my iPhone. I find the iPhone more enjoyable to listen to -58X sounds more full, most likely due to heavier bass -4XX is has a more spacious sound -Here it gets weird. 4XX is 30ohms vs 58X 150ohms; 4XX I can max out in volume, but on the 58X, 80% is loud. **If I had to choose which cans to go with, it would easily be the 58X over the HE4XX; especially if bass is important.
@samelight100 “hey with the Dragonfly Black, any hissing with low imp IEMs? i hearded ppl said it will hiss, how bad is it?” Using Dragonfly Red, USB to USB-C on a MacBook Pro with iTunes, using Shure SE535 -There is a hiss using DFB v1.5 if volume is all the way up playing no music. **I think this is a non-issue. You won’t be putting the volume all the way up, since its extremely dangerous, and it hurts my ear if high. Volume I have set to 40%-50% and it’s loud. -Using DFR, there is no hiss at volume high while not playing music.
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Megazineis that a se535 u used with ?
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samelight100Yes, I edited.
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Megazinethx for the info.
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Megazinethe 4xx is planar which naturally takes more power to drive than dynamic, ohms is not enough to determine how much power a headphone will need as their are plenty of akg headphones with only 62 ohms but will sound thin and tinny if you don't power them well. another example is the fostex t50rp mk3 which is only 50 ohms but planar and probably the hardest headphone to drive.
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alvargno hes talking about the loudness, this got nothing to do with planar or dynamic. in fact it doesn't even matter with the impedance, its the "sensitivity/Sound pressure level ", 4xx got 93db and 58x got 104db and t50rp mk3 got 92.
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MlcousiYes, I intentionally replied to myself. I wanted double the response lol. I was still explaining to you what I had said last. You definitely lost me when you singled me out. I had to go back and make sure I wasn't high or something writing crap I never even agreed with. All good though.. mistakes were made, we're both alive. P.S. for the record.. I agree with you, don't know why ppl keep complaining.
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samelight100In layman terms, you're correct. Impedance as well as voltage and power swings will also contribute to "loudness" due to music being dynamic in nature and going up/down in db depending on the piece you're listening to. The HD650 and 800 are notorious for this hence why they're so "amp picky" as they have a healthy voltage requirement to account for these swings in dynamics (especially as volume increases).
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alvargI'm curious how the bass in 660S compares to the 58X. I feel thats what's slightly lacking in the 6XX for my personal taste. I just won't be spending $500 for the 660S when only a few Benjamins more can get me the HD-800.
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MegazineWell, it is natural that 4XX will be harder to drive than 58X. Measurements have shown that 4XX is 88.3 dB/mW @ 49 ohms. 58X is 104 dB/V or 96 dB/mW @ 150 ohms. At the same output power, 58X will push out about 8 dB more than 4XX, which is about double the volume (10 dB). People generalize about planars, but it is no longer absolute. Hifiman HE400S (planar) sits at 96 dB/mW and Oppo PM-2s sit at 102 dB/mW which is way more sensitive than any of the Senheiser 600 series.
Also, thanks for the reply. But, DFR cannot be called a desktop amp. It has a max output of 2 Vrms. I wouldn't call anything below 5Vrms as desktop amp. The reason I was asking for desktop amp is that at least 5Vrms is needed to make up for the difference in efficiencies and to let you compare two headphones properly.
But, the use case with a portable/USB powered DAC/Amp is a valid scenario and from your opinion, it seems 58X are much better suited for that.
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VBarThere are 3 versions. 1.0, 1.2 and 1.5
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VBarWhat's interesting are their voltage and current requirements:
HE4XX - 35 Ohm @ 93 dB SPL/mW require much more power and current
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HD 58X - 150 ohm @ 104 dB SPL/V - Requires more voltage
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I'm willing to bet most folks who are truly trying to power the HE4XX don't know the amount of current their amp is supplying to their cans. Let alone voltage. 4 Vrms is kinda high depending on the amp and most budget amps aren't meeting that nor the higher current demand. The 6XX is almost at 7 Vrms with a relatively low power requirement but something like the HD800 is almost 8 Vrms and requires less power and current than the HD650.
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VBarI am replying to myself as I am not replying to any specific comment. The idea that 'voltage is not equal to power' is a general misunderstanding. Voltage is directly proportional to power. Other than the general law (Ohm's Law) that if the impedance is lower, more power is utilized at the same voltage (hence the idea/myth that lower the impedance, the more current is required than voltage), two other factors weigh in greatly here.
1. A lot of dynamic headphones have highly varying impedance values where even if they are rated at 300 ohms, at lower frequencies, it will reach near 600 ohms. This means that at voltage levels where the higher frequencies reach listening levels, the lower frequencies are still at lower levels, leading to the sound being perceived as lean (unsatisfactory lows) or harsh (too much highs wrt. other frequencies). So, when you calculate if an amp has enough juice to drive your headphones at the required level, you should also take those impedance peaks into consideration. Planars are generally immune to this as the impedance are fixed.
2. Human hearing is most sensitive at about 1kHz and at higher frequencies above this, the hearing is much more sensitive than at lower frequencies below this. So people used to more bass feel that the sound is lean at normal listening levels with neutral headphones and tend to bump up the volume. I haven't phrased this well enough, but I hope you get the idea.
So, in general, due to certain reasons, people feel that the power is low even though the volume is adequate. These are the only reasons I can attribute to the myth of 'volume is not the same as power'.
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dwane5Still, only v1.5 is actually called Dragonfly 'Black'. The previous models were only called 'Dragonfly'
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VBarGotcha, I misunderstood you. I thought you wanted me to try the gear mentioned on a desktop/laptop: I have no arsenal ready for that scenario. I bought the DFR for mobile phone use, and I’m very pleased with results. Wish I could help. My only other option for tests is my Prioneer Elite receiver.
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jaydunndidditThings become even more strange when you plug in the measurements of 4XX from innerfidelity.
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Because of the lower measured sensitivity (88.25 db/mW) and higher measured impedance (49 ohms), it is harder to drive in every sense than even HD650s.
Edit: Still an O2 should be able to push it to 115 dB. Good for a 7 year old budget design.
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MegazineNo worries. I use an SMSL IDEA for mobile use. I was going for DFR, but changed my mind after some reviews of the SMSL one. But power draw is much higher than DFR and it drains my mobile faster.
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VBarDamn, ~1.5W and ~9V is one hell of a swing. I've never considered going balanced with my 4XX but I'd be curious as to the amount of control and dynamics they would see from the added power. I honestly knew they were somewhat power hungry on much more dynamic music but not by that much.
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VBar1 is the other way around, the reason why higher freq is more efficient then lower freq is becoz of the "skin effect", the higher freq current flow through only the outer layer of a conductor, so u will end up with a lower resistance rated then what the manufacturer stated, lets say 300 ohms down to 150, depends on what freq it is. this is also why if ur headphone lack of treble u can change ur cable to silver to improve it. btw does the SMSL IDEA hiss with sensitive IEMs?
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samelight100I use an IEM with 108 dB/mW @ 50 ohms and I haven't experienced any hissing. The same IEM generates notable hiss when used with my laptop, so IDEA has a good black backdrop.
About the impedance curve, I was talking about the driver itself, not the cable. Manufacturers tend to use the lowest impedance for their specifications.
Now, not for you but for those who don't know about this aspect of headphone behavior the following link might help. It is the measurements of HD650 from InnerFidelity. https://www.innerfidelity.com/images/SennheiserHD650.pdf
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jaydunndidditWell, most of the time we wouldn't need 120 dB. 115 dB is more than enough and it needs only 0.5 W for that. But, that takes most of the portables out of the equation. Still, we can be satisfied with 110 dB, which opens up a bunch of portables. Then again, these are open-backs. The average listening volumes are going to be a bit higher than closed-back ones. So, in turn, transient peaks are also going to be higher. 110 dB may barely be enough with high dynamic range music.
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VBarim thinking of buyin a IDEA or dragon black, now they ar about the same prices, IDEA seems like more powerful but lower quality... which one u reckon i should get?
and for the impedance, im talking about the driver too, u got most of the resistance from the wires of the coil, i don't think manufacturers adv with the lowest impedance for their specifications, coz the numbers could go very very low on this.
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samelight100IDEA has got better noise characteristics than DFB from the opinions I read before buying IDEA. The general opinion was that DFB has got audible hiss with sensitive IEMs. DFR doesn't seem to have that issue and also has higher output voltage. DFR also seems to be using Sabre's built in digital volume control (I might be wrong in this). But, price is double.
About the Impedance, here I am not talking about pure resistance, but 'Impedance' values which makes an impact when you use an alternating signal (such as audio signal or sine waves). The connecting cable's contribution to impedance is negligibly small. If you are looking just at resistance, yes, the numbers could go very very low. I made the comment that manufacturers use the lowest impedance value after looking at some of the headphone measurements available at InnerFidelity. I haven't looked at all manufacturers, only the ones that I am interested in. Mostly Sennheisers and Beyers.
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samelight100Another reason for getting IDEA was that it came with all the cable I would need. I don't use iPhones, so I am not affected by the lack of iPhone connectivity. Keep that in mind if you are planning on getting this.
PS: You don't get anything with Dragonfly. So...
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jaydunndidditJust had a chance to listen to the aeon flow open today, gotta say pretty blown away, in my opinion it bests the hd650 in almost all categories and i purchased it immediately. if you haven't heard it, its very similar in low mids but slightly different roll off to the upper mids has a rounder more solid bass vs the slightly woolly bass of the hd650, but its not necessarily louder or too impactful, which is good because i felt the hd650 had the right amount of bass just lacked control this fixes that.
It has a slight spike in the treble around 10khz but music never becomes fatiguing or painful and i think it also fixes any veil that the roll off in mids might cause. vocals are a little further back but overall i didn't find this a problem due to the clearer sound and much better imaging of the Aeons this was using them without any of the included filters. people with better amps may still favor the hd650 due to its seemly limitless scaling, but I'd rather not sink $2000 into an amp to get the best out of the hd650.
obviously nothing is perfect and there are things that hd650 do "better" (better being subjective). for starters the 650 soundstage is a little wider which doesn't really matter much to me as i never cared for overly wide sound stages anyway, they just push things to far away and make me want to increase the volume, the hd650 mids are more neutral which some might like better, but because of the veil the hd650 has a slightly fuzzy sound to it in my opinion, while the aeons could be called zingy in the treble, some may find the hd650 smoother, but overall i found them pretty equal it really depends on the song. while the hd650s do have a slight veil, I'd say the Aeons just have a slight softness to the upper mids they don't sound veiled at all to me.
The Aeons have a very lush character but more energy than hd650s which make them more fun to listen to without being fatiguing at all, but one plus side is they don't directly replace the hd650 in all categories as they are still one of best headphones for a laid back relaxed sound. only real negative i can really give the aeons is the pads do seal around your ears, but its not noticeable to me or not like the LCD2 classics were.
if you get a chance do check them out, if you've already heard them please post your opinions on them. I still want to try the he edition x and he-1000. but until i can try them without dropping the money first i wont buy them i've made to many blind purchases with disappointing results these are pretty much end game for me.
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alvargAeon Flow compared to the Elex?
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Megazine“I'm curious how the bass in 660S compares to the 58X. I feel thats what's slightly lacking in the 6XX for my personal taste. I just won't be spending $500 for the 660S when only a few Benjamins more can get me the HD-800.“
While I love my HD 800, and the large driver has surprisingly visceral impact because you can feel it moving the hairs on the outside of your ear (which is cool), it is lighter in bass quantity than the HD 650 and HD 660 S. I have a preproduction HD 58X, sadly haven’t heard the subbass tuned HD 58X Jubilee, but the HD 660 S almost perfectly straddles the middle ground between the HD 650 and HD 800. Again, I love my HD 800, it has higher fidelity and feels more like a live performance, I use it all the time, but for your tastes I imagine you’d prefer the HD 660 S. Graphs seem to show the HD 58X has even less sub bass roll off than the HD 660 S, but most music (even power metal) doesn’t reach that low – I’ve even seen dubstep that has its drops based more on midbass and mids rather than the unusual sub bass range.
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alvargI liked the Edition X and HE-1000 more than the Aeon Open, the Bass is more visceral because if their strong but super controlled impact, but obviously the Aeon is way less expensive. It also follows that the Aeon is more expensive than the HD 650 or HD 6XX, a more fair comparison would be the HD 660 S and the Aeon, where they hold their ground each other but offer the different plus and minuses of Dybamic vs Planar.
They compare fair, not an obvious winner between the two IMO, but for practical reasons I’d pick the Aeon Closed over the Aeon open, simply because they’re one of the best closed headphones at that price. And if you have the Closed Aeon, then the HD 660 S by contrast is a better companion for the sake of variety...
By the way, I think the easiest way people end up listening to HD 650 on super amps (that cost lots of $$$$) is that they have a collection of headphones, and they buy an amp that brings out the best of all of them. You could say I got my Sennheiser HDV 820 for my HD 800, but of course my HD 650 has never sounded better than when on the same amp. Doesn’t hurt that I can have several headphones plugged into the HDV at once, making them all sound great and making for easy compare and contrast (and sharing, which happens when I have a buddy over for games and movies without disturbing my wife working from home). That said, some people really just find a headphone that is dialed in to just the tuning they want, and then try to make it the best they can by buying better gear around it.
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alvargHonestly, I wasn't a fan. It was too lean and bordered on bright for me. It didn't sound bad by any means but I found it to be a boring listen. I tend to gravitate towards headphones that have weight and meat to their sound due to the genres I listen to more often: blues, jazz, soul, funk, RnB, etc. While it had great imaging, soundstage, and treble, it didn't "wow" me like other sets I've listened to. I have the same issue with the HD 800. For all of it's great qualities, it's just somewhat boring time listen to. I've fallen out of love with analytical headphones and really crave anything musical and engaging.
It's weird. As technically advanced as some of these headphones are, it's hard to find a good set that does justice to the vocals of Etta James, Nina Simone, Jill Scott, Dinah Washington, etc. Or, theyiss out in the attack of a blues guitarist putting his soul into the strings (Keb Mo playing on the steel guitar is a great example).
While I enjoyed the looks and comfort of the Aeon, it was just boring to me. But, I feel the same way about the Andromeda too. I was pretty let down by it considering how hyped it is. I've been borrowing the Vega from a friend and it is arguably on of the best IEMs I've ever heard. It's truly unique, musical, and engaging while having great bass texture and resolution. When you compare the Andro to the Vega, I was able.to see how bright and shimmery it was but also how lean it sounded. The soundstage was great but for me, that's not the prime characteristic I look for in a headphone anymore.
I got to briefly sample the Campfire Cascade and that was more up my alley. The unit was already burned-in and was fun yet resolving. For a closed back can it's soundstage was larger than one would expect. Guess it goes to show how different all of our ears and tastes are.
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jaydunndidditInteresting hard to believe you found them bright when to me they are darker than hd650s but with a little more sparkle, you say lean yet itsounds like it has more low mids than the hd650 to me
I thinking either the amp pairing was bad or the ear pads didnt seal properly, did you try with the filters as well
Funny how hearing works you found these bright and the elex really good yet i found the elex bright and these very good
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rastusWell i found them more musical, have better imaging as i found the elex to have very weird imaging, sound stage is narrower but still coherent, more lush sounding while the elex to me was more analytical,
basically a hd650 but with slight less upper mids, a bit more lower treble and a rounder cleaner bass but not overpowering, elex had to much 6khz for me which made some metal recordings to bright
Again im very sensitive to upper mids the presence range between 3k and 7k so because these sound more relaxed in those areas its more pleasent.
But again you could try them and get a different opinion just as jaydun did.
Read tylls review his and mine are pretty much the same except he says they are rougher or grainer than hd650 which i disagree on plus they are on his wall of fame
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EvshrugEdition x is 500 more and he 1000 is like 3500 where i live while the aeon is only 1000, ill have to hear them but I also like value for money.
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EvshrugDo you have the 660S? How do you compare them to the 58X or 650? i don’t really come across 660S owners.
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Megazine660s are overhyped and have to agree with that tyll from innerfidelity, these are not worth $500. $300 is the most I would pay and think they should not be worth any higher and even even $300 is asking a lot.
Now I have not done any side by side comparisons yet, but for $150 the 58x are really good just like 6xx for $200.
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Z0d1AcInteresting. Note taking.
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MegazineI got to go with a small group on a tour of Sennheiser‘s headquarters back in October, saw lots of cool stuff but then they let us hang out in a really well-equipped listening room inbetween interviews. Sennheiser wanted to ask community members what they wanted in personal audio, which made the trip even more interesting.
Anyway, I had a few days to listen to the HD 660 S and a couple other headphones, including a pristine old Orpheus and the new Orpheus. Astonishing experiences, definitely the best headphones I’d heard, but I also gave a fair bit of time to headphones I could actually afford, like the HD 660 S. Among that lineup, the HD 660 S took a dabble of the immediacy, agility, and sparkling treble of the HD 800 S, while also having a bit more lower mids and midbass like the HD 650. I think it addressed almost all the wishlist for improvements to the HD 650 that I’ve heard people say, and it was cool to see that Sennheiser developed that even though the HD 650 was selling fine, and even though they must have been pushing boundaries of closed headphone design with the HD 820 at the same time. It was a really fun headphone. I got to hear it again at CanJam NYC.
Fortunately, I got to hear it before reading Tyll’s review, because I had to scratch my head a bit when reading that one. I like Tyll, wish to shake his hand and thank him someday, but his last reviews seemed too tizzy sensitive. Really, listening back to back with the HD 650, HD 800 S, and then HD 660 S, it really feels like it lands smack dab in the middle.
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Yo do you have a pic of your setup, just off of this pic it looks awesome!
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alvargRight so review redacted, must of had heading fatgue after the hd800s i tried before aeons but yeah re listened to them and yeah not as smooth or clean as i originally thought, still sounded okay but a bit v shaped it turns out
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EvshrugDid you find the hd660s less smooth in highs or shouty compared to the hd650
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I have the Edition X's, I have two main setup's at my computer desk, my Edition is mated with a Halide HD Dac and Graham Slee Novo, the 650's are mated with my Theta Cobalt 307 Dac and Darkvoice. I enjoy both setup's immensely.
The Edition X's are worth a listen and could be considered as a step up from the 650's, but the 650's on a proper tube amp is seductive and equally enjoyable! I love what the Edition X's can do and they do it extremely well but the 650's on tubes has me switching between the two headphones quite a bit.
I will add, I've got a few amp's (SS & Tube), and nothing I have can push the 650's better than the Darkvoice. The Edition X's sounds brilliant out of the Graham Slee and doesn't sound under powered at all. I was lucky to get the Edition X on a very good deal, if the Edition X's sound anything like the He1k then color me impressed and then there is the Susvara....holy cow!
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Vollycan you describe the sound differences between them, my only real issue with the hd650 isn't bass quantity or detail, its mostly imaging and a slight veil making complex passages hard to distinguish, that and the bass can on some tracks bleed into the mids clouding it. I was thinking hd660s as the 58x sounds pretty much the same as the hd650 with more bass, which overall doesn't help much as i actually wanted less mid bass and a tighter sub-bass while the hd58x does have tighter sub-bass it also has more of it and more midbass which then clouds the mids more then hd650 does, and although it does have the less veil than the hd650 but it adds a slight hiss to the treble that i dont enjoy.
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alvargThe Edition X's are definitely a clearer window to the music on most tracks I listen to and when i really want to 'hear' a song, I just want to switch over to Edition X's for that little opium-type rush. The bass on the Edition hits cleaner and clearer than the 650's, still neutral though and doesn't over do it like say, a Fidelio X2.
I call it a 'bloom' rather than a 'veil' sound that most people hear on the 650's. I find on the Darkvoice the bloom is less but perhaps this is what gives the 650's it's 'euphoric' nature with tubes imho.
I will tell you, I personally feel the mid section on both are excellent, but sometimes I'm just in love with the 650's mid's as they definitely stand out more than the Edition X's, that's not to say the Edition X's mids are bad, far from it but not as high-lighted as the Senn's. The Edition X's treble is just effortless though, you get such sweet and sparkling high's but stay comfortable and never harsh like the 650's, I swear Hifiman tuned these headphones like they were on tubes! I was listening to some 'Drumstep' music today and I was going back and forth with the two headphone's, 650's done well but Edition just has the 'little' bit more control and so it should, it cost more than the 650's!
I personally love these two setup's, the 650's and Edition X are splendid headphones. I could rock out to both quite easily, which I do alot. (LOL)
In short, the Edition X's sound clearer, image better and has a similar sound stage to the 650's but taller and a tad more deeper. If you can get a chance to demo one or even try the new Ananda, which I believe is a new edition related the Edition X/V2 line, you won't regret it!
P.s 650's on a Darkvoice though....just sex! :D
Hope this helps!
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Evshrugheyyy I was wondering when you were gonna weigh in your thoughts on these. Too bad you have the older version.. Will you be getting your hands on these latest versions since they revised them somewhat? I personally really like these. The only thing that stands out for me that can be a negative is that they are not as open sounding as my 650's. They are very much worth the price though
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Vollyit doesn't really because you are saying you love both the hd650 and the Hex but which do you love more, which would be better for metal for example?
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alvargIt’s hard for me to comment on whether something is shouty, because very often “shouty” means different things to different people. Some people use it when they feel the vocals are louder than all the backing instruments, or if the mids seem strained, or something else which I don’t understand why they used “shouty” to describe it. I actually prefer a little mids emphasis, because vocals and most instruments play in this range, and sometimes vocals blend too much into the other music that I can’t make out what they say. That said, the HD 6- - series has some of the best mids in the business, and the HD 660 S is no exception.
What is new is the crispness of the treble, and faster recovery (less bloom). Some bloom is desirable for a macro sense of one note flowing into the next, and I’ve read others say it helps create a more inky black background free of noise, but the HD 660 S sounds like a nice blend of the HD 650 and higher fidelity. Some may say the Pace, Rythmn, and Timing is better on the HD 660 S (even though the music plays back at the exact same speed/rate as the HD 650), and I think this decreased bloom is what creates that perception. I didn’t find the HD 660 S fatiguing on it’s own at all, though it does less to color or smooth the sound (especially of unpleasant high compression songs).
@KioshiI’m sorry, I thought I already replied to your flattering comment – I must’ve forgotten to hit submit! Urgh! Well, I definitely want to thank you for saying you would be interested in my opinion, maybe one day I will be able to compare them side by side... Since people won’t be able to get the prototype though, it would be more helpful for me to focus on comparing and contrasting to the HD 650. Have I made the youth comparison before? The prototype HD 58X Jubilee was like a young performer, capable and eager to immediately impress with it’s best qualities. Mids and treble had more energy than the bass, but it still had a fairly balanced presentation compared to several V-shaped headphones I can think of. Meanwhile, the HD 650 was more like a mature musician... maybe it had already found and embraced it’s style instead of being a chameleon, but it’s somewhat sultry sound can really draw in the listener deep into the music and hold their interest there, like some kind of siren song. I do like both, more than I thought I would. Straight out of my iPad, I prefer playing PUBG Mobile with the HD 58X Jubilee. The soundstage is a bit bigger and imaging a bit crisper, it does a great job with PUBG’s built in virtual surround and saves a bit of battery.
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Evshrugso you'd say the 660s is less forgiving of poor quality material than the hd650, which would make sense if the hd660s is more revealing, i find that the hd650 has perfect highs, but the low mids and bass could be better, like less low mids and a tighter more defined bass, but every headphone i try that fixes the low mid and bass issue, fucks up the highs and makes them to bright, or peaky, or sibilant, im wondering if im going to experience this with the hd660s.
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alvargHey, I just did a bit of reading and realized that the Aeon Flow Closed does not have the same signature as the open. I previously had the closed when they first came out and found them quite lean. From what I gather, the AFO is warmer and not totally neutral which right up my alley so I'll have to sample them at some point myself. Odd as I figured they would both essentially sound the same as just one is open vs. closed.
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alvargSounds like you tried a bunch of v-shaped headphones. So often, when designing a headphone with relatively “more” bass (at least relative to the mids), the treble is raised as well, or else the headphone would seem dark and truely veiled.
The HD 660 S is not deeply V-shaped... more gentle, like a U-shape close to the Harmon target curve. I could describe the HD 650 this way too... though the HD 650 is old enough that one could ask if the headphone or the Harmon Target came first ;)
If you just want more bass, try playing with an EQ. DSPs and EQ technology is way better than it used to be. If you want tighter bass... the HD 660 S has less bloom, as I mentioned before. That tighter control is widespread through the HD 660 S’ frequencies, and the graphs show that it doesn’t have steep, high amplitude treble peaks. The more tinnitus a person has, the more sensitive their ears will be to pain from treble... we’ll all have some hearing loss eventually, but at 30 and 31 years old I wasn’t feeling fatigued from listening to the HD 660 S. Sure, 128 kbps MP3’s and Sirius Radio still sound shallow and a bit grating, but the HD 660 S still wasn’t an analytical headphone that shoves any flaw in my face or leaves me bored from dullness. I was actually really happy with the HD 660 S, but remember that’s just one man’s opinion.
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jaydunndidditlike i said, i redacted my review because upon second listen i found the treble wasn't as smooth and bass felt a bit bloated, but i was using my phone as the playback device.
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VollyThank you for your contribution. Although I'm not interested in the Edition X, it was a pleasure reading your descriptions.
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alvargAh, must have missed that in this super long thread. Man, you are not having much luck with finding the right headphone it seems, ha ha.
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jaydunndiddithd650s are a hard can to surpass and i may never find a can i like more than them, even some of the top of the line headphones wouldn't necessarily be a good idea as metal isn't always well recorded so they'll just make bad recordings noticeable, so i just ordered the hifiman sundara, (did lots of reading many are saying its better than hd650/660s and i am curious because when i had the he-4xx it had some qualities i really liked, like the tight well textured bass, much better textured than hd650, i just found that the highs had a hiss to them probably due to the 8khz spike which wasn't as noticeable in metal recordings but was very noticeable in brighter music that and overall the resolution just wasn't on par with the hd650.
now the sundara according to graphs is about as bright as the hd600 which i don't mind as even i find the hd650 a little dark at times, often find myself turning the hd650 up to try and get more clarity brightness, to which i receive more bass and warmth. apparently these need a lot of burn though. i will let you know how i go, I still recommend trying the aeon flow opens though.
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alvargOh man, the 'metal' genre is a tough cookie with headphones (imho). I love me some metal, my usual go-to albums/bands would be something like, Metallica, Tool, Audioslave or even some Black Sabbath. A few others like Faith No More or Rage Against the Machine.
Hard for me to decide which of these headphones are better because sometimes a track that sounds fine on the 650's might sound terrible on the HEX's. It really comes down to how the song/album is recorded and produced, some albums are horribly put together or perhaps more suited to say, speakers!
Both headphones have the mid-range chops to reproduce a well recorded metal album. The 650's will gloss over the details just a tad, where the power of Planar HEX will break down the song and reanimate it to almost a 1:1 likeness, worts and all!
I know, I know....this ain't helping ya! :D Good luck!
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alvargHave you tried EQing the 4XX's? And how long have you listened to Sundara's? I'm also interested in them, but QC issue that many others seem to have worries me.
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alvargI'll def be adding the AFO to my "must hear" list. I guess I am the odd duck as I just do not like the HD650 for my genre choices. Listening to the blues from the likes of Son House, Lead Belly, Lightnin' Hopkins, John Lee Hooker, Elmore James, Memphis Minnie, Sister Rosetta Tharpe, etc. The 6XX does not do these great musicians any justice. They simply lack the dynamic range, speed, and transient response for the blues IMO. Something is always off whether it be vocals or guitar playing. The Elex really gives great feedback to what's going on with the strings when playing blues licks and understands how to convey that right amount of grain in voices. The blues isn't really smooth and the 650 just skirts WAY too many details for my tastes.
I'm not very knowledgeable with metal but hope you find something that perfectly captures your tunes.
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ChiropractorI get them tomorrow, im not worried about qc really, worse case scenario i send them back for a replacement, eq ruins a headphones imaging and soundstage imo so its not really a fix, based off charts the sundara should be a bit darker but better extended on both ends.
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jaydunndidditI agree hd650s are a bit overrated at least on my cheaper amps they are, i dont want to spend $1000s to get the best out of them, always felt the treble was a bit too subdued, but their sound is safe it doesnt offend or hurt, but doesn't excite either. Metal needs some excitment.
Despite disliking eqing headphones i actually boosted 4-9khz of my 650s by 5db and reduced 2khz by 3db and 250hz by 1.5db, to quite pleasing results. But its obvious these drivers dont handle the upper midrange that well hence why sennheiser probably subdued it a bit. I did this to simulate the sundara's frequency response, but ive probably increased their upper mids beyond the sundara. I cant disable the eq now without it they sound dull as shit.
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DendenUmmm no. Good lord, I was just stating an opinion, not trying to force anyone to like anything. I don't see how you come up with that? Time has proven me correct anyways, in that these headphones perform about as well as HD 598's, 599's, and do not come close to the performance of the 660's which they were so often being speculated as to resemble the sound of early on. So no big deal, enjoy your 58x.... I'll enjoy my WAY better K712 Pro's. Have a good one.
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YaBoyRob“Time has proven me correct”
keep telling yourself that special snowflake. Makes you feel good right?
“I'll enjoy my WAY better K712 Pro's.” That’s your opinion and that’s cool! Now don’t shove it on our throat.
PS: K712 Pro sucks. So happy I sold them! 😝
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DendenOMG, am I the one who bought them (got mine used from Head-Fi)?!!?! That would scream irony!! Awesome. Not shoving anything down your throat. Enjoy your next gen HD 598's though, errr I mean 58x, my bad....
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jaydunndidditJust got my sundara, and yeah wow, this is what i was hoping for with the elex, and this is with zero burn in, which i believe will smooth them even more. pairing with CTH is great too.
edit, also the sound is very realistic, it doesn't sound overly warm like the hd650 not does it sound extremely close like the hd600/650 does.
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alvargKudos. From what I've read the Sundara is neutral but leans to the brighter side of things. Do you think that still holds true? I've yet to sample them for myself.
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jaydunndidditwell it can be but i think its more accurate to the recording, so if the recording is bright, it will probably be a little bright, but i think it handles bright tracks quite well, doesn't become fatiguing, now some would compare it to the he4xx, and yes its similar to the he4xx (surprise same company), but the 4xx is more v shaped with a stronger but more one note bass and a fair amount more treble to the point where it can be sibilant and piercing depending on track, this with very minimal burn in doesn't get like that at all, oh and i felt 4xx treble was both compressed, tinny and splashy.
one other thing ill add, with h650 everything has the same soundstage, aka close, and basically the same imaging, while these seems to have a wider or narrow soundstage based on song and placement of instruments is really unique.
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YaBoyRob“OMG, am I the one who bought them (got mine used from Head-Fi)?!!?! ”
Ahh a Headfi-er. That explains it. 😝 And yes you are the only one in the whole world who bought them. You are a special snowflake after all.
”Enjoy your next gen...”
Different strokes for different folks dude. And yes I enjoy them as much as my HD800. So uhh is it safe to agree that we all have OUR own subjective bias to things? You don’t own the 58X right? So what are you doing here? Trying to “enlighten” us by shoving your subjective views to us? LOL!
This is a subjective hobby and we all have our OWN preferences. That is my entire point.
I love your last sentence btw. ”Your headphones sucks! Mine is better!” LOL. Grow up. 😂
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YaBoyRobdude u know how to google ? just google the history prices SR's was $80 at the time hd58x on sale! u can also try amazon uk ! https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Sennheiser+HD+598+SR thats $120 usd. btw u don't even join this drop why u here anyway ?
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YaBoyRobyou guys should take this childish fight else where exchange your numbers or whatever we don't care
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alvargDid you get them from amazon?
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On a positive note, the 58X are quite pleasing to my ears.. With the darkvoice the sound stage is nice and open, perfect amount of bass for me.. Listen to rock/metal and a lots of vinyl..
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I actually ended up buying a pair today (I got an amazing deal at a store) I need to listen to them a little more, but so far, I love how these sound!
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ChiropractorWhat laptop stand is that and where can I get it?
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DendenSearch "Pyle Portable Adjustable Laptop Stand" on Amazon
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Tried listening to Sabaton with these headphones?
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alvarg" the 58x sounds pretty much the same as the hd650 with more bass " DUDE CAN I GET SOME OF THAT CRACK ROCK YOU'RE SMOKING???? ThatHAD to be a major typo....that's what I'm chalking it up to at least..
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Dendenyou're preaching to the choir dude!!!!
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YaBoyRobYou're obviously an idiot and a troll. You haven't even listened to these headphones and yet you're going to dismiss what he said despite him owning both and many others. The rest of us reasonable adults agree. The 58X sounds more like the 6XX with tweaks. That's pretty much an established fact at this point.
Your tireless ignorance and petulance is getting pretty old at this point.
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YaBoyRobDude, u do know we can click on ur profile and check whether made the purchase or not right ?
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samelight100He can tell how the headphones sound just by looking at them.
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YaBoyRobTo my ear HD 598 is clearly inferior than HD 58X Jubilee. I don't rate my K712 Pro's very high either and not really understand why some like it. I made a huge mistake in buying them.
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VollyHave you tried listening to Sabaton with the headphones?
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Very cool enjoy!
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AveryCI really want to know where my Order is, the Tracking information for my package hasn't been updated since Jan 28 both on the FeDex Website and the USPS website, it still says that USPS is waiting on the package and it was supposed to arrive already.
I already called FeDex and USPS and they tell me that everything is fine and it should have arrived, but the package isn't showing up as lost or anything, yet it never arrived.
This is my first Drop and I'm having reservations about buying again, I have not gotten any support from any of the Massdrop staff, its been weeks since it "Shipped" on Jan 22 and I get that Smart Post is slow but it was supposed to arrive already, this is just silly MD.
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agentlovacI would contact them here. https://helpdesk.massdrop.com/hc/en-us It definitely should have arrived already.
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samelight100Dude I have so many different type of headphones, as you can see by this included picture. They range from $37 all the way to $1800. I did not even show my iem's, and "vintage" stuff, and only a few of the headphones I use the most. Each of those shown serve their purpose. So what do my purchases have to do with anything?
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I don't have to buy them to know and understand what they sound like, as I've read many reviews now. MOST confirm they are glorified HD 598's, NOT re-badged 660's and MANY people thought they would be with the initial announcement! Not saying all of YOU guys thought you were getting that, but a LOT of people did. I own 3 pair of Sennheiser, including the HD 598's, which I have always liked. I also have 650's, and 420's (which I got for my 15th birthday in 1983). I just so happen to like the K712's more than the 650's, which is why they are always close. I'm not trying to argue about that, or convince anyone of anything. If we all had the same hearing, life would be boring.
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I just don't understand the hostility and hateful comments aimed at me, for NO reason. I never ONCE said a bad ord to anyone about anything....just an opinion. Take care, and enjoy those Jubilees!!!
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YaBoyRobIts not exactly a completely different sound
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YaBoyRobYou need to chill
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YaBoyRobwhere is the hd58x ? wow really ?! u still don't know u ar in hd58x's chat room, and u ar comparing whatever u got there with the HD58X which u don't even have ?! whats in ur mind dude! we all saying if u don't have the hd58x then don't fk talking like u own one, now u upload those photos to prove what ? u don't have one like we all said ?
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YaBoyRobYou're so pathetic.
The issue is you're posting an opinion to something you DO NOT OWN OR HEAR! It's like me saying the K712 Pro is the worst headphones I bought without actually trying them. Oh wait, I actually did at one point in my life and they sucked! At least my opinion is VALID!
" I don't have to buy them to know and understand what they sound like, as I've read many reviews now "
You're basing your OPINION on SUBJECTIVE reviews. And you also dismiss others who say it's very close to HD650. Nice cherry picking buddy! Pathetic.
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YaBoyRobWe're not interested in your headphone inventory. If you don't have a HD 58XJ or have listened to it, please do not make any comments or write comparisons about it. Some may get wrong idea about the headphones. You may as well go to K712 forum and praise about it all you want.
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jaydunndidditso updated review of the sundara's i found overall build quality (material etc) to be a little poor for the price and mids sound a bit withdrawn to me around the 1-3khz mark which seem really typical of hifiman and planar headphones in general and not my cup of tea, makes vocals either boxy or thin depending on track, that and slightly pulled back compared to the rest of the music, long story short the sundaras aren't as musically inviting to me as the hd650.
and well because i need help i went and bought the audio quest nighthawk carbon (semi open) headphones which is the updated version of their non carbon headphones, will post results when i hear them.
side note, Although i have yet to find my ideal sounding headphones, all this testing and returning/comparing of headphones is quite exciting.
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DendenI can’t believe YaBoyRob is 50 lol. Nothing wrong with being 50, but seeing his comments throughout the 58x chat, I’d assumed he was a silly young kid. Arguing over headphones, posting pics of his collection when no one asked, repeatedly giving his opinion on headphones that he doesn’t even own. 50 is the new 20?
Jul 15, 2018
agentlovac
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BassmanEDIT: So Fedex called me saying that the Package left by Freight, even though the Delivery date was set for the 14th before they told me this and since it never arrived I assumed it was lost, they told me it could take up to a month for it to arrive so the delivery date was wrong, I'm relieved now that my package wasn't lost, but they gave no further delivery dates so now its just going to be a waiting game.
EDIT 2: The package arrived today Jul 17, apparently what they told me was a mistake and they didn't know where the package was, I'll be posting my thoughts later, massdrop also responded and offered their apologies and a refund or replacement service which was super nice, Thank you MD and I think I can now recommend you guys to friends and fam.
I already did Twice 2 days ago and haven't heard from them since.
This is getting really frustrating, between FeDex not knowing where my package is and asking me what's in my package over the phone for some reason, they told me I have to wait 2 days to even get a response on where my package is, with no estimated delivery time, on top the normal Delay for production this shit happened and I'm worried my package may have been "lost".
Now Massdrop not responding to my messages at all, I think i'm not going to be doing business with Massdrop from now on if I don't get a response, I hope nobody else has had their order lost cause this shit sucks.
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Jul 15, 2018
jaydunndiddit
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alvargOh I bet, ha. I have the Nightowls and they are one of my favorite pairs. A bit of warning, they do require some break-in. They mention 150 hrs required in the manual. I've actually been thinking of picking up the Nightowl myself since they're on sale right now and a steal at this price. Too bad about the Sundara. I've been hesitant for other HiFiMans myself for those very reasons. For me and planars, from what I read Audeze seem to have a sound signature I would enjoy but their QC and driver matching issues leave me a bit apprehensive.
Jul 15, 2018
alvarg
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jaydunndiddit" I've actually been thinking of picking up the Nightowl myself "
I'm assuming you meant nighthawks by that, and yeah im interested the build quality looks really impressive, and yeah they were on sale for me, where as normally they'd be like $1000 where i live, i got them for $700 and yeah looking on inner-fidelity they have sub-bass for days, better than audeze lcd2.
and about the audeze im not sure which pair you were referring too but i tried the lcd2-classics and overall found the sound to have great extension but it was still flat like most planars but the overall sound was cold with a slightly recessed treble and a spike at 6k giving vocals some (sometimes to much) crispness, guitars sounded pretty empty and lifeless on them.
overall the sound quality and resolution was great but i had comfort issues due to the oversized ear cups, that and the pads make a noticeable seal around your ears to the point where my ears would pop causing me hearing issues and i would even hear this like crinkling tin sound every time i put them on or took them off.
overall if it wasn't for the comfort/sealing issue i probably would of kept them.
Jul 15, 2018
jaydunndiddit
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alvargHa, yup, meant Nighthawk Carbons. The original Nighthawks are still somewhat pricey for whatever reason. Also, I'm not sure where you're located but here in the US on Amazon, you can get the Nighthawk/owl for $400. That's an absolute steal. I believe eBay has equally good deals, some just a bit lower than that for a new pair.
And yeah, people keep telling me to try the LCD2/C LCDX as it fits my preferred taste pretty well. I haven't had a lot of ear time with Audeze so that's one manufacturer I'd like to hear more of their lineup.
Jul 15, 2018
alvarg
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jaydunndidditI'm in Australia, and yeah $400 usd works out to about $550 aud so if you include shipping and mark up for Australian retailers it works out to be able $520 usd so i believe i still got a pretty good deal in comparison to what you can get them for.
Jul 15, 2018
Denden
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Aja12I was surprised too. LOL.
I probably would have my hearing checked if I were 50. Our hearing deteriorate as we age and that's a fact. No point owning all that gear if your hearing sucks.
Jul 15, 2018
alvarg
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Chiropractoryeah i ended up sending mine back, the build didn't feel quality for the price, i had some driver matching issues and due to a missing midrange between 1-3khz guitars and vocals took a backseat which I'm never for, ended up going with Audio Quest Nighthawk Carbons, excited to hear them.
Jul 15, 2018
MusicLover
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alvargTake your time and give them a long burn in time. Both Nighthawks are amazing. The Nightowls also sound very good too.
Jul 15, 2018
alvarg
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MusicLoverYeah i prefer a dark sound signature anyway, its normally painful spikes or really weird dips in midrange. that normally kill my enjoyment of a headphone.
Jul 15, 2018
alvarg
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MusicLoverAlso what changes did you notice from burn in. I know its vastly different for different headphones with some having little to no change in sound and some having dramatic change
Jul 15, 2018
Chiropractor
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Jul 16, 2018
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alvargI think you'll also really enjoy the Aeon Flow open's. I was testing the 660's, Aeon flow opens, and sundaras at a headphone shop. 660's sounded too narrow and dry for my taste even more than 600's. I absolutely loved the Aeon flow opens with warm, and luxurious sound but they were out of my budget. Sundara sounded great with overall improvements from 4XX's.
Jul 16, 2018
MusicLover
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alvargWhile I’m not very good at writing reviews I know what I like. They open up so much after burn in. If you listen to them out of the box you might be disappointed. i give all mine a full week of constant burn in and while you can’t always tell a big difference with the Nighthawks & Nightowls it’s absolutely amazing. FYI. I listen to mostly Jazz and Blues so to me they are perfect. I also own all three. Both open versions of the Nighthawks and the closed back Carbon Nightowls
Jul 16, 2018
alvarg
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MusicLoverinteresting, what would you say their sound signature is, veiled like hd650, dark like lcd2s, bright like beyerdynamics?
I listen to many genre's so I'm hoping for an all-rounder that has a dark smooth signature, people have varying opinions on what frequency response is best for what genre, often recommending a v shaped headphone for metal which i think is strange as for me metal needs a really good midrange.
Jul 16, 2018
MusicLover
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alvargDark and Smooth is a good description. They really don’t need a lot of power to drive either. Nothing like Beyerdynamic T1.2 ( I love them with Lafigaro and Darkvoice Amps) but those are 600 ohm Cans and need a lot of power. I can’t advise on Metal. I do love the Audeze LcdX and Lcdxc and they are both easy to drive. I have the Lcd2c also but have yet to hear the Fazor Lcd2.
Jul 16, 2018
alvarg
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Chiropractori didn't actually like the aeons, they sounded kind of bloated in the bass and vocals were pushed back and thin, in fairness i wasn't using an amp but yeah i was wondering why, then i looked at inner fidelity's graph,
https://www.innerfidelity.com/images/MrSpeakersAeonFlowOpenonenotchwhitefilter.pdf
midbass hump then a long dip to 6khz which is at -15db, then a large spike at 9-10khz which is louder than all frequencies above 1khz, giving these headphones a rather dark character and not a warm character at all really.
because to me Warm = slightly boosted low mids and slightly recessed upper mids Dark = slightly boosted mid bass to low mids and a stronger recess to the upper mids
where the nighthawk https://www.innerfidelity.com/images/AudioQuestNightHawk2015.pdf looks pretty similar it has much better extension, a seemingly more gradual dip to 6khz and not as sharp a peak at 8-10khz, top that off with seemly perfect 30hz square wave and less than 1% distortion from 20hz to 6khz. it appears to be better build headphone.
on a side note. idk what it is but for me planar magnetic headphones always seem disconnected from the music every planar i've tried thus far has a sonic weirdness to it that doesn't translate into graphs or waves its must have something to do with the way planars do soundstage and imaging it just sounds off.
Jul 16, 2018
alvarg
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MusicLoverOoo what is it like compared to the LCD2C, darker/brighter, etc?
Jul 16, 2018
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alvargDarker but a completely different animal. The Nighthawks are also one of the most comfortable Headphones I’ve ever worn. What do you think of the Lcd2 Newest Fazor Version. I’m thinking about purchasing a pair.
Jul 16, 2018
alvarg
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MusicLovercompletely different animal how? what do you perceive as darker less upper mids or less treble and yeah i've never heard fazor lcd2, because the lcd2 classic didn't impress me much, to much planar weirdness, idk i've always found dynamic headphones to be musical.
Jul 16, 2018
MusicLover
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alvargJust search online for reviews. I’m only saying what I like. I only comment on Headphones I own as I know they have had a good burn in. If I kept them after burn in its because they worked for me. Amps also will influence your choice. I’m sorry I’m not able to be of more help
Jul 16, 2018
alvarg
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MusicLoverhaha okay, i've already bought them so I'll find out soon enough how they sound.
Jul 16, 2018
VBar
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agentlovacDHL routed mine through europe and it took 10 days to reach my country. Now, our "efficient" customs clearance office has put it on hold with "unspecified" reason for the last 5 days. I have had my shipments held for upto a month with "unspecified" reason. I assume it is just lack of efficiency (not enough staff to handle high volumes). Could also be other reasons, though I don't wish to discuss that here.
Jul 16, 2018
agentlovac
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VBarEDIT: So Fedex called me saying that the Package left by Freight, even though the Delivery date was set for the 14th before they told me this and since it never arrived I assumed it was lost, they told me it could take up to a month for it to arrive so the delivery date was wrong, I'm relieved now that my package wasn't lost, but they gave no further delivery dates so now its just going to be a waiting game.
EDIT 2: The package arrived today Jul 17, apparently what they told me was a mistake and they didn't know where the package was, I'll be posting my thoughts later, massdrop also responded and offered their apologies and a refund or replacement service which was super nice, Thank you MD and I think I can now recommend you guys to friends and fam.
I don't have to pay for customs or have to do anything as I get my packages through USPS after Fedex Smartpost delievers it to USPS and then to my Address.
However they have lost my packages before so its not a stretch to assume that the package has been "misplaced" since when I called Fedex they didn't know where my package was and they told me they would investigate and tell me in around 2 days which is weird enough.
Then they start asking me what's in the package which I have never been asked before, so this has been a very strange experience for me at least.
Jul 16, 2018
alvarg
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Jul 27, 2018
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jaydunndidditguess what, I've bought another pair of headphones, Muahaha the madness continues in this hunt for end game, up on the chopping block next is the Stax SRS 3100 system bring on the electrostatics, you are probably thinking i have unlimited funds by now considering how many headphones i go through, but no i just buy from stores with a good return policy. now people say they are bright, which i don't really mind, i know earlier i said i like a dark sound, but really what i should of said is i like a neutral tone that isn't sibilant, but seeing how almost all "neutral" headphones have sibilance issues i tend to go for warmer/darker tone to combat it.
audio quest nighthawk have a unique sound that takes a while to get used to but surprisingly it has a nasty spike around 5k that makes vocals quite sibilant on certain tracks.
Jul 27, 2018
austriandude
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alvarg.. never heard any spike on the nighthawks.
Jul 28, 2018
Evshrug
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austriandudeThe nighthawks have very prevalent spikes and valleys in frequency response measurements, to the point where it was likely intentional. They are of a very specific flavor, which of course the door is wide open for people to enjoy it, but it is far from transparent or natural. Again, it’s not bad or wrong to enjoy it, I didn’t find my short demos with it to be fatiguing or distressing, but it is a colored headphone.
Jul 28, 2018
alvarg
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austriandudewell according to this, https://diyaudioheaven.wordpress.com/headphones/measurements/audio-quest/,
there is a 5k and 8k spike which i agree with as i also hear, usually with vocals, the S sounds and T sounds are quite sharp and painful at times.
Jul 28, 2018
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alvarg
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Jul 29, 2018
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dwane5i don't think they sound any better than HD650 to be honest. maybe better imaging
Jul 29, 2018
dwane5
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Jul 30, 2018
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YaBoyRobNo one agrees with you concerning the 58x being a glorified 598. Whatever that means. 58x is in the 600 series and not the 500 series.
Jul 30, 2018
austriandude
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alvarg.. they sound clear better in all aspects than my old hd650
Jul 30, 2018
HIFI778
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Jul 31, 2018
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Aja12Did you had to pay duty taxes when arrived? I am purchasing one also here in Australia... How long did it take?
Jul 31, 2018
HIFI778
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Tup3xIt all depends from your amp. I have an audiotecnica AT-SA55G that can give 35W to the headphone output and has treble and bass adjustable. Between my HD6XX and AKG712 I prefere a tonn more the AKG with that old syle Monster AMP.
Jul 31, 2018
HIFI778
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YaBoyRobThe AKG 712 are atm my best sound headphone I have and I have 6 including the HD6XX, Audiotecnica AD1000X, Sony MDR Z7 and others. I have listened for 3 hours back and forth these AKG 712 and Sennheiser HD800S with several hi-end amps in a shop in Japan (Akiabara) and I was shocked how these 2 sounded similar with an edge for the AKG 712. These AKG punch well over their price tag. Cannot say the same thing for other AKG line up. Now waiting for the HD58X to compared all of them...
Jul 31, 2018
Aja12
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HIFI778No, but with the GST changes that started 01/07, you may get hit. I don’t think Massdrop is collecting GST at checkout (which they should be now), so if that get picked up by customs you might be getting a phone call or email from the shipping provider wanted to collect GST.
Shipping was slow, about 3 weeks to Brisbane. When the package arrives in Australia, it’s handed over to Aus Post. DHL Global are slow, but I get why Massdrop uses that service given the very reasonable $15 shipping.
Jul 31, 2018
HIFI778
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Aug 1, 2018
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Aja12Thanks. I hope not as I fund a pair of used HD660s for roughly this price plus GST... I wonder how these two headphones are different from each other....
Aug 1, 2018
alvarg
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austriandudeI find them sharp and shouty, losing the soft nature of the hd650s for very minimal gain
Aug 8, 2018
Kioshi
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EvshrugAhh ok cool. Ty for the reply.. I definitely did not see this sooner lol. I bought the 58x's myself and I love them. To me they are similar to the 650 but with more bass. Much like most ppls comparison I see. They are not as wide as the 650's but I still enjoy them. I'm happy with the purchase. Now I am gonna figure out if I should buy the HE4xx's and what new Amp/Dac I should buy. I'm trying to figure out if I should try out tubes or just an end all like an NFB.11 or something and be done with it, for a while. Any and all suggestions are welcomed.
Aug 8, 2018
Evshrug
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KioshiCavalli Liquid Platinum
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Mohannad13
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alvargSo overall you prefer the 6xx over the 58x ???
Aug 8, 2018
alvarg
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Mohannad13Yes 6xx is a better headphone
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Nyrmetros
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alvargHave you tried listening to the headphones with Sabaton?
Aug 9, 2018
austriandude
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alvargSharp and shouty? Check your chain, there is some serious disturbance.
Aug 9, 2018
austriandude
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alvarg... for you, OK!
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alvarg
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NyrmetrosI dont have hd58x anymore
Aug 9, 2018
alvarg
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austriandudeYep... it can't be the headphones surely not.
Aug 9, 2018
alvarg
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austriandudei use the term sharp and shouty loosely, mainly i just dont feel the sound good enough to justify the almost double in price over the hd650, and even more so when you can get the hd6xx for 200, they aren't terrible just not great value.
Aug 9, 2018
Mohannad13
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austriandudeI do not agree with you the 650 has smooother sound and more pleasant experience
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austriandude
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Aug 11, 2018
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Mohannad13I sold the 650 at the end. Even with a very good tube amp (Earmax SE) I found the 650 so boring that I stopped listening via headphones for several months. Tastes are different, so there is no truth valid for all.
Aug 11, 2018
YaBoyRob
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DendenOh but I DO own them....well just bought them to see what all the hub bub is, so we shall see....I'll sell them if I do not enjoy them. I've heard they're more akin to the 700's or 660's. never saw them compared to the 650's.... Maybe I'll give them away to a fan boy if I don't like them.....any takers?!?!
Aug 11, 2018
YaBoyRob
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HIFI778Same with me bro. I can't get over how good of a value the K712's are. I also have ordered these to see what they are about, and so the haters here will stop saying don't comment on something you don't own. Well guess what? BOOoOoooooommm!!! I own them now, so stfu! You know who you are!
I don't see where all the K712 hate comes from. There are MANY videos comparing them to HD 800's and how close they really are is amazing. The only other AKG's (that I have heard) that came close are the Q701 (Quincy Jones), being that they had way better bass than the regular 701, almost as good as the 712, but not quite. Even the 812's which are $1200 are not as good as the 712's, to my hearing.
Aug 11, 2018
Denden
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YaBoyRobThis hobby is entirely subjective you old fool. Just because we like it doesn’t mean you will too! LOL. I thought you said you don’t need to buy it? Did you really buy it to prove how sucky it was? Guess what, subjective hobby.
Old fools can’t get over it. LOL.
You already formed your opinion weeks before buying it so, not surprised if you will hate it. And that’s cool because I don’t really care. 😂
Aug 12, 2018
Denden
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YaBoyRob“ I don't see where all the K712 hate comes from.”
You really don’t get it. Just because you liked it does not mean that everyone will like it too.
Aug 12, 2018
YaBoyRob
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DendenNo, I bought them because I can.....plus like I said I can always donate them to someone.
Aug 12, 2018
Denden
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YaBoyRobLike I said, you already formed an opinion weeks ago so 🤷‍♂️
Aug 12, 2018
YaBoyRob
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Aug 13, 2018
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DendenI am actually going to give them a very good and non biased listen and opinion. If I think they are amazing, I will say so, with no apprehension.
Aug 13, 2018
HIFI778
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YaBoyRobI should receive them in few days. Landed here in Australia the 10th August... now track not following them any longer. I use my 6XX for movies mostly and the AKG712 for all my music listening but these needs a very powerful amp to sound the best. I have an audiotecnica AT-SA55G which gives 30+ watts to the headphone output. The violins with the K712 is like playing inside my room.... so wonderfully rendered that gives me tears compared to all else.... I am very curious about the 58X and if similar to the HD660s I think I am going to be very pleased with them. :-)
Aug 13, 2018
Kioshi
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EvshrugI will look at that. I'm having the hardest time deciding on the way to go. I keep getting recommended the NFB-11.28
Aug 15, 2018
Evshrug
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KioshiYou don’t HAVE to go for the Liquid Platinum, it’s just that one of my friends who writes headphone reviews has it, and he was the one who got me to try/get the original Cavalli Liquid Carbon, which has treated me VERY well. When Cavalli quit the business and got back to the business of retirement (which is essentially where he was before his designs and builds got VERY popular a few years ago), he worked out a deal with Massdrop and Monoprice to sell his designs. The Platinum is kind of like a successor to the discontinued Liquid Crimson design... where he was going for a warmth with bite, aged whisky type of sound.
I know it’s kind of a left-field suggestion now, since there are Cavalli designs on Massdrop (with off the shelf wall-warts instead of the better purpose-designed power supplies, but they had to cut costs somewhere to bring the price to Massdrop levels), but all the Cavalli designs are special, high performers, and a bit more unique than the average suggestions made for Schiits and giggles. It would be a great sounding investment with your HD 58X Jubilee, able to change the tuning by tube rolling so you don’t get bored, while also being great for your next headphone and potentially being endgame for less than flagship prices. I would still be using my Liquid Carbon now, if the opportunity to borrow the HDV 820 long term hadn’t fallen into my lap and turned out to be even better than expected (but normally a magnitude higher of a price).
I’ve never owned an Audio-GD product, but like you I’ve read the heaps of praise for their products for the price. The NFB-11.28 is often recommended, and a more recent design, the R2R11, is owned by two of my friends and they won’t shut up about it 😄. https://www.head-fi.org/threads/audio-gd-nfb-11-28-vs-r2r-11.858093/
Aug 15, 2018
Kioshi
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EvshrugOh wow OK. Good gosh you made my decision so much harder lol.. I checked out the link and there is some good info there. I Will think hard on it,and get one of the 2 you suggested. Either the Liquid Carbon Dac/Amp or The NFB-11/or R2R. 1st things first, I have find a way to get all my Amps and headphones I am done with sold.
Aug 15, 2018
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KioshiI just got the Audio-gd R-28 and it has really really good synergy with the 58X! It sounds so smooth and organic, with snappy transients.
Aug 15, 2018
Kioshi
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Viper2005that is some high end goodness right there huh
Aug 17, 2018
Mohannad13
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Is it sounds as smooth as the 650 or it is more into clarity than the smoothness
Aug 18, 2018
Mohannad13
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HIFI778I will be waiting for your feedback
Aug 18, 2018
Mohannad13
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jaydunndidditHow do you get these numbers ???
Aug 18, 2018
Mohannad13
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MegazineSo if i have the 4xx i had to get te 6xx instead of 58x ? And does the 58x got the same smooth sound as the 6xx ?
Aug 18, 2018
HIFI778
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Mohannad13I find the 58X very similar sounding as the 6XX just more efficient with 150ohms impedence instead 300 ohms of the 6XX. So it can be driven very well from a decent amped mobilephone like the LG V10, V20, V30. With more efficiency can be listened at higher volume by most amp compared to 6XX so it may sound woth more bass and better highs. If you adjust the two volumes at same level it will be pretty hard to discern big differences.... The 6XX may be a better option for a tube amp but the 58X is the all rounder imo even for portable devices.
Aug 18, 2018
Kioshi
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Mohannad13Hey Mo, I agree with HIFI778, although I don't own the 6xx, I own the 650's and the 58x. I am very happy with both.. I may intend on grabbing the HE4XX sooner or later just to give Planars a try but not in the near future. I am working on upgrading my Amp 1st.
Aug 19, 2018
YaBoyRob
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dwane5You mean, YOU don't agree. You don't speak for everyone else, so.....
Aug 20, 2018
YaBoyRob
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HIFI778So did you like them??? I got mine, and since I already have the LCD's, 6XX, and the K712 (which are still my main), I donated them to a friend just getting into the hobby. The 58X were not bad by any means, I did a review and gave my .02, but they would have just gathered dust here. I figured they should be used. Pretty good deal at the price too.
Aug 20, 2018
bsastor
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YaBoyRobHey guys, do you mind stopping with the arguments please? I keep getting these popup notifications that's getting quite annoying tbh. To each his/her own ears. You agree to disagree. Alright. Stop it.
Aug 20, 2018
HIFI778
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YaBoyRobYeah love the 58X and became my main especially on portable devices. My 6XX is collecting dust atm. Just I get more volume out of the 58X which results also in more prominent bass and highs. I will keep the 6XX as I am looking for a tube amp and will use it with that. Leaning towards a Woo or a cheaper Darkvoice with custom tubes.
Aug 20, 2018
YaBoyRob
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bsastorThat is pretty funny...really. DISABLE THE NOTIFICATIONS!!!!!! DUH!
Aug 20, 2018
YaBoyRob
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HIFI778They are amazing with the darkvoice, but I somehow use my vali2 more....maybe it's more convenient. IMO, the 58x was not easily driven with my phone, still needed something else to go with. Not as bad as the 6XX or the K712 though. Those absolutely need amping.
Aug 20, 2018
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bsastorNot number 000002 for me :-( I was so darn sure before arriving!!!! So disappointed as I already had my glass display set up... ;-)
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YaBoyRobK712 are fantastic. I enjoy them more than my 58X and probably more than my 6XX too.
K712 are very comfortable and I like that it's less 'in your face' sound signature.
Aug 20, 2018
YaBoyRob
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WiHHi_Z3_PuXThank you, you are absolutely correct. They are my main headphone, and a steal for under $400. I use them more than my LCD's which cost $1800!!!! You are one of the few, like me, who gave this headphone a try , and are reaping the benefits. They HAVE to be amped, but, they are amazing! Still love my 6XX though, 58X were not terrible, but my friend needed a decent pair as he is just getting into the hobby. I hope they sound good with the darkvoice, as he is ordering one.
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HIFI778Crack + Speedball or Darkvoice (similar designs) are the ticket if you want something specifically for the 6XX. They're not good for most lower impedance headphones, but high impedance dynamics work great.
EDIT: I've spent a lot of time with the Crack + Speedball combo recently and I think it can benefit some of the fostex cans (TH-X00 Ebony is what I'm using) as well as the HD58X. There is a detectable loosening of the lower bass on some tracks (esp those with many bass sounds overlapped), but the sound is fast and the driver feels very much under control. These effects give me the perception that detail retrieval is stronger, parts of background noise are more defined, harmonics are clear, etc. More time to spend and comparisons to make, but it seems like this design is more than a one trick pony.
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YaBoyRobI think you gave your friend a very nice gift! AKG also makes great headphones, and the K712 and HD 650 compliment each other pretty well because of the contrast between them.
My higher end headphone journey went Audio Technica AD 700 (sold), AKG Q701 (sold), K712 (sold), K612 (had all three AKGs briefly), HD 700 (sold), many many headphone auditions and a couple review demos, Oppo PM3 (sold), HD 800, and lately I’ve been gathering more of a collection instead of selling headphones and keeping a look out for the one headphone to rule them all. One thing that all the above headphones have in common: they’re all amazing performers for gaming and binaural sound.
I still have my AKG K612, and I’ve lost track of how many years I’ve had it now (I had the other two AKGs for three years each, with some overlap to where I had all three at one point). In fact, I just used it this morning to play PUBG Mobile, because it was handy and I wanted to try it out with Dekoni Fenestrated Pads (adds a little more sparkle and less absorption of sound overall). The AKG excels in having a large soundstage, good extension at both ends of the frequency response curve, and a light, airy presentation overall.
The Sennheiser HD 650 is warmer and meatier to the AKG’s airiness, not as expansive of a soundstage but still nuanced and layered. Wine vs Whiskey, both very good but with different strengths. I prefer the HD 650’s mids, and overall like them better for music and movies. The AKGs still are no slouch for gaming, buuuuut... the HD 800 is a much smoother, more “expertly aged” whiskey, with the same strengths but Moreso and more refined. I could see someone’s budget liking the K712 more, but the HD 800 is on another level. Another fly in the K712 ointment: the PC37X also is great for gaming, perhaps better because of the cartioid mic, easier to drive and thus more versatile, perhaps the soundstage isn’t as wide but the trade-offs are more than acceptable for the lower price. All of the Sennheiser’s are also more comfortable for me: the oval earcups don’t show up in my peripheral vision (the HD 800 does a tiny bit) and don’t get as tangled in my sideburns, while the headbands don’t create sore hotspots on my beginning-to-bald head. The leather and pleather suspension straps of the AKGs self-adjust to the shape of your head, but they do create a hotspot right at the peak where most of the (light) weight rests, so I bought a baby seatbelt cover which softens the feel and distributes the weight a bit.
I still keep the AKGs because I’m attached to them, and I like to go back to them and remember, but they hardly get any head-time between the PC37X and the HD 800. They’re great for emphasizing soundstage. Meanwhile, the HD 650 are IMO a natural transition for people used to the warmth of speakers.
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Evshrug "keeping a look out for the one headphone to rule them all "
I thought I would have that in the LCD XC's, and yes, they are on another level. They just kill me with the weight, and after an hour or so, I can't take them anymore. I use my K712 more.
Maybe I will trade them for either a cpl nice pair of headphones, or maybe someone would trade the HD800. I don't think they cost as much as the LCD's, iirc. Or maybe someone wants to trade a nice DAC or AMP for them.
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YaBoyRobYa, lighter headphones really make a difference for me, the AKGs and Sennheiser’s have me spoiled. As large as the HD 820 is (I don’t have this... yet), it is only 360g. Audeze makes a fine headphone, but compare the weight of the XC vs the HD 820.
What’s the open equivalent of the XC in Audeze’s lineup?
Aug 21, 2018
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KioshiDo you prefer the 650 over the 58x ?
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Mohannad13Hey, Mo. No I like them both equally and I am happy I have them both. I usually game with my headphones and that is something I have not tried yet but I am sure the 58X will sound great with that tiny bit of extra base to put some emphasis on explosions in games and stuff. I think you should get them, You will not be disappointed. Are you looking for these or is it a battle between these and another headphone? I forget which ones you have.
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EvshrugLCD X, iirc
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WillHi Will and thanks for the reply. I need to ask a question before I purchase a DarkVoice... I will need to know the max power required by this amplifier to work as I will need to use it in two different countries that have 110V and 220V so I will need to plan on a step-down transformer. I did some research in internet but could not find the answer. Do you know or anyone knows? Is it a good idea to use a good brand transformer or will affect the sound of the Dark Voice? Thank you!
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Mohannad13These two headphones are very similar in sound except for the impedance. My LG V20 with the HD58X sounds amazing but with the 6XX not loud enough and so lacking in details, highs and bass. With my powerful Home Audiotecnica AMP that can output 30+ Watts on the headphone Jack both headphones sounds really good but definitely the 6XX needs more juice and need to turn the volume dial up to sound the same as the 58X which makes me think if you are not interested or planning in getting a Tube Amp go for the 58X not question. You can use it with all your gear, portable devices, powerful Amps and saving also money because cheaper. If you don't need it for portable device but only for a good home AMP then go for the 6XX as in the future may be useful also for a Tube Amp purchase. I bought both and have to say with the good AMP I find difficult to discern differences if I spend time setting both headphones at same volume but I use the 58X with my LG V20 phone so it is useful to me. Bare in mind it is an open back headphone and sound leaks big time. Yesterday I was in a shopping centre and listening at light volume and an other customer told me that the music was very loud... so probably for this better invest in a good closed headphone.
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HIFI778I don't know much about balancing power requirements between different countries. In all the discussions I've seen about utilizing step up/down transformers, the participants say it matters a lot.
I don't know about brand, but it seems like there's a big difference between the best and the worst, for audio applications anyway. This makes sense to me because low end transformers are going to be designed so they're just good enough to make it work, not to deliver clean power.
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WillI have all my Gear mostly from Japan and made in Japan and I use it in Australia. All have step down transformers and they sound as clean as when I was listening in Japan. I bought good quality Transformers but not that expensive and they were easily fund in Ebay. Not noise coming using speakers or Headphones with all my 4 different Japanese Amps but they are all Solid State Amps. I hope this DarkVoice will do the same... I am just worried that the tubes may just be more sensitive and produce noise
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KioshiActually I have m50 and 4xx I have tried 650 in japan but i did not tried the 58x. Between all the headphones I have tried 650 sounds the best for me and i was going to buy it but the 58x show up then i have got confused between buying 650or 58x
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Mohannad13Well to be honest, I do not think you will go wrong with the 58x's then. To be honest the price is just right and the sound is great. BUT they do have a bit more bass and if that is something you absolutely do not like then go for the 650's or 6xx. Otherwise the 58X is a great choice. Just a side note though, the bass is not that heavy or present that it sounds muddy or can sound muddy so don't worry about that. Its just a slight bass increase in comparison, which I personally enjoy. I guess something else to mention is that its like all the other guys say here, and they are a bit more experienced than I am. They say if you ever prefer on using a Tube Amplifier you should go with 650/6XX. But if you plan on using a regular Amp than the 58X will suite you just fine.
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KioshiDo you know what makes me love the 650 more than any other headphone in the shop (it was about more than 100) ? It is the smoothness of the sound in the 650 which I didnot find in any other headphone even in the hd 600 . So if the 58x has the same sound smoothness like the 650 with a little more bass so i will get the 58x if the 650 is a little smoother so i am going to get the 6xx what do you think ?
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Mohannad13The 650 is more wide and open I think. I feel like that's the best way I can describe them.. the 58x has that same feeling but not AS wide as the 650. Wait a bit and see if Evshrug replies too. He has great experience and can explain it best. But if you cannot wait than I say go for it and get the 58x's
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KioshiThanks for your distribution But if you try them both with one of frank sinatra songs . Which one do you feel smoother ?
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Mohannad13Sorry discribtion not distribution
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bsastorYou'll have better luck uninventing the Internet.
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KioshiOh, just saw you referenced/flattered me! You’re too kind :)
@Mohannad13 , it kind of depends on what you mean by smoothness. If brittle and easy to distort were the opposite of smoothness, then *for me* I found something like the DT 880 to be smooth. Smooth, however the treble was very loud once I got the midrange volume where I liked it, so after about 30 minutes of listening my ears were ringing and felt sore. If you mean that smooth is also comfortable to listen for a long time, I find that the HD 650 is very clean and great to listen to if you have hours and hours of audio in mind when driven by a good amp, and when plugged into a setup that can be edgy, underamped noticeable distortion, or low res, I find the HD 650 smooths out those edges and still has a very musical presentation. Plugging my HD 650 into my iPad Pro‘s headphone jack isn’t exactly the last word in a high-end experience, but it’s still pleasant. However, when underamped it can seem like the driver is “slower” to recover and the sound seems slightly constricted (to say it sounds muffled like a sheet of wool is between the sound and your ears is an exaggeration, but it does sound less dynamic and “transparent” to a live experience).
The HD 58X Jubilee sounds more dynamic than the HD 6XX/650 on a wider range of systems, and also has a little bit more “eagerness” in the treble and sub-bass extension. I haven’t heard the production version yet with the extra sub-bass extension, but from impressions and graphs it is easy to surmise that it is a modest increase but a fair bit of fun... you could say the bass is also more “eager.”
Overall, the HD 58X Jubilee is still much more closely related to the HD 650 family than going so far as to have a noticeable volume difference between mids and treble like some V-Shaped or treble-head/Bass-Head targeted headphones. I’ve said before, the HD 58X Jubilee is like a younger sister who is friendly and personable, while the HD 650 is the older sibling who is more modest and yet enchanting, but you can definitely tell they are related. I’m glad to be “friends” with both!
As far as Frank Sinatra goes... my first job 15 years ago, I was a dishwasher at an upscale italian restaurant, and one of my coworkers would play one CD of Frank over and over, all shift long, every day, and it drove me crazy. I tried to tune it out, but with nothing else to entertain me I couldn’t help but notice how short many of his songs were, sometimes turning to scat when it would seem he ran out of lyrics, and as happens when you listen to any one artist for too long I started to feel like all the songs were in the same style. So, for me, the best sounding headphone is whichever one isn’t playing Sinatra ^__^'` But with that bias said, the HD 6XX would soften the impact of brass horns and poor recordings better than the HD 58X Jubilee.
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hyperlinkedDoes that mean frying all the servers in the world so the internet is no more....?
Aug 30, 2018
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EvshrugThanks for the amazing explanation I am going to get the 6xx but i do not have any dac or amp so what would you recomand for using the 6xx over 115 dB ??? As cheap as I can
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Mohannad13What do you play music or other media out from now? As I said, I am happy enough playing my HD 650 straight out of my iPad. For the next step up, Sennheiser has/had a bundle package with an Apogee Groove, which is a USB powered DAC/amp combo, small but a little bit bigger than a Dragonfly Red by Audioquest, and that would work well with laptops and game consoles. I was also having a good time playing Destiny last night with my HD 650 connected to a Creative Labs BlasterX G5, so for gamers it could be an easy recommendation to look into their brand new BlasterX G6 ( @DigitalRonyn can tell you more about that). I’m also experiencing really catchy synergy with the FiiO X7 music player right now, the DAC/Amp equivalent of that is the FiiO Q5, which is cool because FiiO makes modular amp upgrades for that and yet it’s still portable.
You could also put all your budget for now just into the headphone and a good amp, and get a really nice DAC once you can afford something from iFi or Chord. I’d say any DAC less than $200 is going to be really hard to hear it being better than a premium smartphone, like a Schiit Magni & Modi will only sound a bit better than plugging straight into the iPad, for example. So, I could suggest just putting your budget towards a nice Amp for now, and you can always get a nice DAC later that doesn’t sound like plastic.
A Magni by itself can drive the HD 650 pretty well, though you might want to research which of the three generations sound the best with the HD 650.
An even better sounding, and easily portable option would be the Cavalli Liquid Spark ($99, launches this October). I own and LOVE my Cavalli Liquid Carbon, and I heard the Spark prototype several times at different CanJam events before Cavalli sold the design to Monoprice, and that is going to be one heck of a deal, even ignoring the benefit that the amp is pocket sized. The Spark has really low distortion, some exotic-level design like zero feedback in the gain stage and blah blah blah, but what it means is Cavalli makes stuff that is somehow both clean and precise while also rich and robust.
THX’s new AAA amp designs (some sold here, some other places, worth checking out THX’s website to find out options within your budget) are very very linear, honest, micro-detail revealing amps at surprisingly good prices, like they beat the Objective 2 amp at its own game. There are a LOT of THX AAA configurations, so while the $350 option sold here on Massdrop is worth saving up for, I’m sure their lower priced options would have some of the magic.
You May notice I haven’t recommended a single tube amp yet. I’ve heard some awesome ones, in fact my first desktop amp was a hand-made one for $200 off of Head-Fi, but I mostly use “tube-like” Solid State amplifiers now. Tube amps don’t necessarily sound “thick” or endowed with rich mids, because so much of the sound is changed depending on which tube you use, from which manufacturer and what year. Experimenting can be great, and the tubes burn out slower than you might think (I have hundreds of hours on a Russian “Vokshod” tube that I settled on as being super nice), but they’re still a bit of a hassle. You have to turn them on and wait for the static to clear and the sound to open up as the tube warms up, and you have to keep the tubes shielded from interference from a phone, WiFi router, computer, even vibrations from the garage door or whatever. They also have a higher chance of needing service from Something going bad, compared to a solid state amp. I’ve read of people being really happy with their tube amps from Garage1217, Bottlehead, Woo audio, and Glenn, but I just decided I personally didn’t feel like using tubes anymore after getting a Solid State amp I just really liked.
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EvshrugThanks a lot bro actually I am going to get the schiit magni 3 with my ALC 1220 mobo as a dac You find the magni 3 just suitable for 6xx and 4xx and not an overkill ??
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Mohannad13I haven’t actually heard the Magni 3, but I have been underwhelmed by the Magni 1, Vali, Modi, Bifrost, and various other Schiit gear either in my home, friends homes, or audio meets. They’re fine, but they don’t live up to the hype when compared to alternatives that sound above average. The Magni 3 is an entry-level amp, I’d actually call it underkill, but you should still get a decent performance out of it. I’m sure Schiit themselves would recommend a Jotunheim or even a Valhalla 2 for the HD 6XX.
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EvshrugWoooW So the magni 3 will be bearly enough to power the 6xx and 4xx . As my researchs said there is no amp more powerful than the magni 3 within this price range so that is why i am going to get the magni3
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Mohannad13The Magni 3 has plenty of power, power quantity isn’t in question, it’s the quality of the amp that sets it as an entry-level amplifier. Before, you had asked which headphone was smoother, well the Magni and Magni 2 weren’t very smooth sounding amps and had a somewhat tinny sound to them. Again, Schiit amps sound fine, but they don’t get my most enthusiastic recommendation for what you asked for.
HD 58X jubilee + Cavalli Spark or Massdrop Liquid Carbon >> HD 6XX + Schiit Magni.
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EvshrugThanks a lot bro appreciate your help You tell me just what i wana hear you are the best
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KioshiI have just received my 4xx it is good but not as the 650 i prefer the 650 all the way down
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HIFI778Hm well, the darkvoice is going to have noticeably more noise on the circuit than your other amplifiers (based on what you said about quiet solid state amplifiers, what are they out of curiosity?), so don't let that throw you off.
Sounds like you've got all the right elements for success, and the remaining unknowns have to be revealed through trial and error.
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EvshrugHi bro do you got the 6xx ? Can you please measure the total weight iof the. Headphone and the cable and the package exactly??? I will be very thankful for you
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HIFI778Hi bro do you have the 6xx ? Can you please measure the total weight of the Headphone and the cable and the package exactly??? I will be very thankful for you
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Mohannad13I will when back home but my weight scale is not very precise.. I will be back in 1 hour roughly.
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Mohannad13I have an HD 650, with the heavier and bulkier display case, so I won’t be the best help weighing the whole package.
@HIFI778 if your transformers are quality enough, the main concern will be the microphonics of the tubes and their sensitivity to EMI from cellphones and routers. I tried a Amperex “Bugle Boy” that was so microphonic that there was a ringing sound that never fully went away, but I have four good Vokshod “Rocket” SSR tubes that have incredible sound, extremely fine grain, and essentially no microphonics issues. You can also put faraday cages around your tubes if they seem to pick up EMI, or something like the quartz vials used to isolate tubes in the Sennheiser HE-1.
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Mohannad13Hi mate. I have tried as I have two scales at home but both not fit for this measure. When I am going towards the post office if I remember I will bring the package with me and make them measure correctly.
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EvshrugThanks a lot bro
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HIFI778I will be very thankful for you . I will be waiting for you 😍
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EvshrugGood choice with your tubes, those Voskhod tubes are a bargain at the moment and rivals some of the best Siemens, Amperex etc. They render soundstage very well, there is a nice air to them and are well extended. The only issue is the slight smearing in the midrange that you can hear with a good DAC. The '75 ones are the best, the ones after '78 are probably not worth getting.
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Mohannad13Hi, I just went to the post office and the total weight including everything like Box, Headphone, cable and metal adapter is 1.405 kg. Hope it helps.
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JackulaWas it Siemens that had the famous CCa tubes, with a factory in Europe? And yes, I think my Vokshods were in that date range, it’s been awhile since I listened to them though.
Edit: @HIFI778 and @Jackula (like Dracula, but more Jack?), I tried giving you both thumbs up, but it was giving you negative rep instead! Sorry about that.
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HIFI778That will helps me a lot thanks bro
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OuateThePhoqueSalut @OuateThePhoque ! Dis-moi, tu dois être le seul français a s'être manifesté ici, tu en as eu pour combien au final ? Je suppose que la douane va me rouler dessus haha Merci à toi :) !
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Madmax78Salut @Madmax78 ! (ça fait bizarre d'appeler quelqu'un Mad Max, tiens...) Alors je ne me souviens plus très précisément, mais il me semble que je n'avais rien payé en droit de douane. Transport compris, j'ai dû en avoir pour moins de 150 euros. Paraît que le père noël n'existe pas, mais depuis j'ai des doutes... Sinon, pour redire ce que tu as sans doute déjà lu 50 000 fois, c'est un super casque, proche du hd 650 mais avec des médiums un chouilla plus clairs, et peut-être une tendance un peu trop généreuse dans les graves et le bas médium (ce qui est rectifiable avec un mod à la portée d'un enfant de 4 ans). Après, il faut aimer la signature de la série hd 600 : c'est doux, bien timbré, pas fatiguant et avec une scène sonore très intimiste.
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OuateThePhoquePas de soucis haha Effectivement, je vais finir par y croire aussi si ça arrive haha Je suis pas audiophile du tout, j'utilise que des écouteurs pour le moment, et j'ai vraiment envie d'avoir quelque chose de plus confortable vu que je bosse a la maison. Je pense que ça va être un bon achat, je voulais pas mettre plus de 200 pour l'ensemble, j'ai trouvé un E10K d'occase pour 30 euros, ce sera suffisant dans un premier temps je pense !
Mais merci pour la réponse ! (J'ai pas vraiment eu l'occasion de tester toute la série des 600, j'ai essayé le 660S, j'ai beaucoup aimé, mais un peu hors budget haha)
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Madmax78Eh bien si tu as aimé le 660s, ça tombe bien ! Les deux casques ont quasiment le même driver, et en modant le 58x tu peux en faire une copie quasi conforme du 660s - description du mod dans ce .pdf : http://www.mediafire.com/file/8dr7hp34vq11aag/HD58X+evaluation.pdf Je n'ai jamais eu l'occasion d'écouter un E10K, mais d'après les caractéristiques affichées ça devrait bien le faire. Bonne idée de commencer avec un combo ampli - dac ! Fiio est une bonne marque (j'ai eu le x5iii, et le x7 représente à l'heure actuelle ma principale source, tant en écoute casque qu'en sortie chaîne hifi). 30e, c'est à mon avis une très bonne occaz. Pour ma part, je te conseillerais de commencer comme ça, d'écouter ta musique avec ce dispositif, et éventuellement au bout de quelques semaines d'essayer d'autres choses (notamment, d'essayer de coupler ton casque à d'autres amplis), mais attention : quand on commence à rentrer dans ce genre de mécanique, on finit par claquer un pognon monumental... Ou alors, de t'en tenir au matos que tu as, et d'éviter le craquage de PEL.
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OuateThePhoqueSuper le doc ! C'est intéressant cette histoire de "mod", je pensais que c'était plus lié au software qu'au coté hardware, mais c'est surprenant ce que ça peut changer pour un simple morceau de mousse. J'avais lu quelques trucs au niveau des "Equalizer/EQ" je pensais que ça allait être ça, mais visiblement, on peut aller plus loin dans les modifications ! J'essayerais de tester avec/sans si jamais le drop reviens un jour haha
Oui, d'après ce que j'ai lu, ça semble être suffisant pour "alimenter" le casque correctement. J'ai pas de carte son approprié, donc ce sera toujours mieux d'avoir le E10K. Je pense pas trop me tromper pour 30 euros.
Par contre, j'ai une table de mixage, la XENYX QX1002USB, tu penses que je peux en faire quelque chose ? Au cas où haha
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Madmax78Ah ouais, le drop est inactif, j'avais pas vu. Bon, vu que le casque s'est bien vendu et qu'il a eu des recensions dithyrambiques, je serais surpris qu'il ne revienne pas - surtout que plus de 4000 personnes l'ont déjà redemandé. Pour ce qui est du modage, ça produit des effets que l'égalisation ne peut pas produire, en absorbant certaines ondes. Le feutre absorbe le grave, et pour l'aigu tu peux utiliser... du pq. ça fait super classe sur un casque à 500 balles. Et l'inconvénient de l'égalisation, c'est que certains casques la supportent mal, et produisent rapidement de la distorsion. Au cas où, le HE-4xx est actif : un peu plus cher, pas aussi durable que les Sennheiser, mais très bon. Après, ça peut valoir le coups d'attendre un peu le 58x. En tables de mixage, j'y connais vraiment rien, par contre... Il faut surtout regarder les caractéristiques de la sortie casque. Le E10K sera à mon avis plus indiqué, parce qu'équipé d'un dac et beaucoup plus petit et maniable.
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OuateThePhoqueÇa marche haha ! Je vais attendre le retour du 58X, je suis pas à 1 mois près, puis j'aime beaucoup le sorte "velour" du casque, bien plus agréable que le cuir je trouve. Il va revenir assez rapidement je pense, 4000 demandes, c'est beaucoup comparé aux autres produits sur le site. On croise les doigts !
Merci en tout cas des conseils et du document !
Oct 1, 2018
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Madmax78Ben voilà : il suffisait d'en parler pour que ça arrive. En tous cas, bienvenue dans le monde des casqueux !
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MegazineNo 58x is more forward accross everything. Less laid back. Modded, it's more neutral and accurate, unmodded it's a but grainy and less accurate.
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Megazine4xx although lower ohm than the 58x has less sensitive drivers, so they are still power hungry and maybe underpowered with the portable set up. For the 6xx, they sound so sweet with OTL tube amps like the darkvoice. It’s what they’re known for. I have the darkvoice (full tube) and a little dot 1+ (hybrid tube) and the 6xx definitely sounds nicer on the darkvoice. I think it’s about impedance matching. And if you like the bass on the 58x you might be interested in the Monoprice m1060. It’s on sale for $200 for cyber week, usually $300. It’s got that clean planar magnetic bass. It has more sub bass than the 4xx and a different sound signature too. I think it has a more bright treble, but the bass does hit harder, soundstage is a little less wide. I’m still breaking mine in though.
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zep483Anyone else feel like this is one of the longest threads on Massdrop? I’m usually checking this site on my phone, and every time someone makes a response to Avery, we just have to scroll and scroll and scroll... Thumb exercise! 🤣 Its ok though, cool to see how people keep talking about a product.
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EvshrugYup, just noticed that with your comment.
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Nov 15, 2019
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AveryCI have read that the foam used on on the back of the headphones was/is used to prevent sand/dust getting inside the voice coil and not for the purpose of adjusting the sound/frequency response. could someone please confirm one way or the other.
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Picodumbmaybe that's its intended purpose but the sound is affected by it. maybe not the fr, but other characteristics for sure... fr isn't the only thing to concern yourself with.
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zep483No argument about your comments. I just want to know the facts (not speculation) about the purpose of adding the foam on the back side of the headphones.
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PicodumbUnderstood... I respect that, but at the same time I'm not sure anyone can give you the exact purpose aside from the design team... anything else would be speculative. Not sure anyone from the design team is floating around in these comments... but maybe so?
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zep483Thanks for the response. I had originally read the comment on head-fi but I think it was someone just speculating, no link or quote was provided.
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Picodumb@Picodumb It’s a good question to ask. The MOST empirical fact I can tell you, immediately, is that my bass-light pre-production HD 58X Jubilee also has foam behind the driver. It is smaller in the pre-production model, BUT it is the same size as the driver and placed right behind it. Therefore, something else was changed to retune the production version. I also own an HD 660 S, which does not have the foam behind the driver, and it also has a bit better bass extension than my preproduction HD 58X. And then, @Picodumb and @zep483 , I’m not on the design team myself, so I can’t respond from that perspective, but I’ve had a few conversations directly with Axel Grell and Ronja Harste about the HD 58X Jubilee development and release. Almost 3 years ago, Axel was grooming Ronja to be a top-notch Headphone designer (they were both part of the A-Team, aka Audiophile instead of the more general Consumer department, though collaborations and sharing of knowledge does happen), and the HD 58X was her first project. Axel and Ronja worked closely together (literally, I think their desks were right next to eachother the two times I got to visit KG). Axel became a consultant for Sennheiser and other companies in January this year, while Ronja’s role has taken on more significance. Also, I don’t know what is with audio engineers... they have all been extremely nice people, in my experience! I don’t know all the design details (how could I? The process took over a year of tweaking, retuning, and experimenting), but I asked about the foam backing on the HD 58X Jubilee, specifically. Ronja told me it’s mostly acoustically transparent, and that it was mostly used for aesthetics and improved durability in drop tests. And so, I have been trying to share that insider knowledge here. Feel free to experiment though, sometimes small changes can make all the difference.
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PicodumbI followed the hifi heaven adjustments for my pair and was very happy with the results. (Removed the foam, placed felt over the back of the driver). I also like the dekoni sheepskin pads for the 58x as well as another adjustment.
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EvshrugThanks for your insight! Yeah the change there isn't huge but I would never go back to putting them in again now... It was worth it to me to make the changes. I actually like them more than my 660s with these alterations...
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zep483Hmm I actually like looking through the HD 660S grill and seeing the mesh and driver inside, and I don’t want to risk chipping the paint 😅, but I wonder if you would enjoy similar mods to your HD 660S? One of the cool things about the HD 6--family (including the HD 580 and HD 58X) is that they’ve been popular and well-known for decades, and there is a large brain-trust online of info for repairing and modding around this style of enclosure.
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EvshrugThanks for that. This is exactly the sought of answer I was hoping to get. Knowing that the preproduction model also had foam is very informative and would indicate the drivers themselves were adjusted to get the extended bass response. I will have fun trying out various modifications knowing that removing the foam is unlikely to revert the headphones back to preproduction specs.
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PicodumbNo problem!
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zep483I will try out a range of ideas. Mine are about to be delivered any day now. I am going to design and build an amp specifically for these headphones, I am going to have a lot of fun with these.
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