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inventbot
63
Apr 30, 2018
I joined the drop, but am curious as to why the Para Military 2 that is currently offered on MD is a lot more expensive ($165) than this knife? I've been carrying a Delica for years as my EDC but don't know much about knives and the various materials used.
Brewhaus
114
May 5, 2018
inventbotThe PM2 is an all around better knife than a delica or endura. Better scales (G10 vs FRN), more unique locking mechanism (compression vs backlock), beefier knife. Base models for delica are around $75 compared to $136 for PM2. Both are great knives but most knife knuts would pick a PM2 over an endura or delica. I'm also assuming the PM2 you are referring to has S110V which is also a fantastic steel, however not as rare as SG2.
inventbot
63
May 5, 2018
BrewhausThank you Bewhaus. That was a helpful summary. The PM2 definitely looks appealing, but the drop has ended, and after looking up a bit on California carry laws, I think I should stick with EDC blades under 3", just to avoid local town or county limits (e.g. Sacramento county limits them to 3"). For this reason I may sell the Endura some day. I wish I hadn't missed the Super Gold Delica drop since I would like to hand the knives down to my sons when they are older, and 2.5" appears to be the limit for carrying on campuses. Hopefully the Delica drop will open up again. I'm not sure how blade length is determined by the "authorities". The Delica drop lists it at 2.9" but if I measure my Delica, the cutting edge is right around 2.5". Maybe I should consider the Spyderco "Urban Leaf" instead . . . .
Xymnslot
380
May 23, 2018
inventbotI love the Delica 4 for EDC. The blade shape is great, and it meets almost any state specific carry laws which is big for someone who road-trips to Cali a lot.
The SG2 Delica drop is open again...
Omniseed
1972
May 26, 2018
inventbotThe PM2 also has some additional manufacturing niceties, for instance the steel liners/frame of the knife are nested into the G10 handle scales. The FRN knives are nested too, but the material takes less work. It's just a 'nicer' knife, though the Endura and Delica are both fantastic knives in their own right. And there's a n exclusive CruWear PM2 at knife center now, it's got smooth black scales instead of the normal textured light gray scales of the regular sprint run in CruWear.
Gunnersmate2
1646
Sep 23, 2018
inventbotFYI, blade length for a folding knife is determined by measuring from the tip of the blade to the center of the fulcrum or pivot pin, screw or bolt. All of this is determined by officers discretion, so there will be variations in officers interpretation
Gunnersmate2I always head it was from tip to handle. I could’ve heard wrong, or it could be defined differently in different states/cities, but measuring from the pivot makes sense for the sake of consistency because some handles may end at an angle, so you get different lengths whether you measure from tip to the end of the handle nearest the cutting edge, center, or back of the blade. That said, measuring to the pivot seems less than “fair,“ as there usually is a significant amount of steel “buried” in the handle leading up to the pivot, and some weird designs have the pivot point quite deep into the handle. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Omniseed
1972
Sep 25, 2018
Gunnersmate2that sounds like a discretionary thing, I think overall blade length is supposed to be measured from tip to the end of the handle.
Wouldn't be very sensible to measure the blade tang that's entirely enclosed by the handle, but I can see a department deciding to measure in that way in order to have greater individual discretion over what a member of the public can legally carry.
Gunnersmate2
1646
Sep 25, 2018
OmniseedThis is for the city and county for where I live. I do believe this is a regional, county , and or city thing. I know I've seen knife manufacturers measure the cutting edge, tip to handle and tip to pivot, so? I think the best thing to do if your restricted for what ever reason is to contact your local police and or sheriff's department and then the manufacturer to be safe.
Omniseed
1972
Sep 25, 2018
Gunnersmate2U.S. laws surrounding knives are an absolute mess, with patchwork regulations established on a whim and enforced with discretion.
But there's definitely a right way to measure a folding knife blade, even if a given department doesn't use it
https://www.akti.org/resources/akti-protocol-for-measuring-knife-blade-length/
Gunnersmate2Omniseed’s link brings up a good question: if blade length is defined by the position of a fulcrum or pivot, then what about fixed blades? Or a butter knife you brought in your lunch box, those will have a long blade area but not be particularly “Dangerous” fighting knives.
A skeleton knife seems particularly hard to define:
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I don’t envy anybody who is supposed to enforce these rules, but I guess it’s too vague to leave it up to an officer to say “that’s a utility/fighting knife.”
Gunnersmate2
1646
Sep 25, 2018
EvshrugI was referring to folding knives and in Jackson county, Oregon blade length for folding knives is determined by measuring from the tip of the blade to the fulcrum point. It may be different in your area but that's how it is here
Kavik
5531
Sep 27, 2018
Gunnersmate2I agree with the info on that AKTI link. I'd have to check to say for sure if that's how they do it here, but that most closely follows the "spirit of the law" in my mind, since the only purpose of limiting blade length is in regards to how deep it would penetrate if used to stab someone... It only makes sense to stop at the forward most part of the handle (or in the case of the skeletonized knife, at the finger guard. Basically wherever something would stop further penetration)
Of course, it's not like my 2 cents count for anything lol they'll interpret it however they want if they're looking to get you anyway
ponagathos
512
Nov 16, 2018
inventbotThese kind of laws just seem completely arbitrary and stupid. PA recently decided that batons are too dangerous for their citizens. I can have a crazy huge sword shipped to my house but not a stick!