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ideus
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May 18, 2017
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Only 6.3% of buyers get a base set and the international kit, meaning that demand from European country Languages users are under ten percent. Interesting.
Vigrith
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May 18, 2017
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ideusStill higher than I expected, it hasn't been over like 3% when all's said and done in a very long time. Plus here some of the potential international buyers might be opting for Cyrillic + icon mods (as I am, though I use US-ANSI either way) instead, I'd imagine those numbers to be fairly negligible, though, so the stats should be quite accurate regardless.
ideus
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May 18, 2017
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pomkOf course it is. But you should agree that it is more sort of a Novelty set. Unless you are actually someone writing in Cyrillic. It is likely that at least some of the order of that kit are for people who write in other Languages instead, but like the unique aesthetic of a keyboard with Cyrillic legends.
My point here relates with an individual asking why there was no sets for specific European languages instead of a large common international set, as we know that is because there is no enough demand for Language specific sets, as the data warrant. For this particular issue the Cyrillic kit does not count, as it is not a Latin base European character set.
My point here relates with an individual asking why there was no sets for specific European languages instead of a large common international set, as we know that is because there is no enough demand for Language specific sets, as the data warrant. For this particular issue the Cyrillic kit does not count, as it is not a Latin base European character set.
pomk
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May 18, 2017
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ideusYes, I agree that combining the international layouts makes sense, at least until we reach over 200 sets sold after which it might be useful to check if the demographic could be easily split.
About 5% is pretty common for MD keysets, the dev/tty set reached about 10% in the end. I would not expect any more than that.
I'm patiently waiting for SWE/FI layout to be the next fad in cyrillics place, so I can get my sets cheap ;)
I'm patiently waiting for SWE/FI layout to be the next fad in cyrillics place, so I can get my sets cheap ;)
Vigrith
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May 18, 2017
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MansenHardly. As @pomk mentioned, the amount you pay for actual import fees (if at all) is pretty much irrelevant - you pay VAT no matter what which is the hard hitter, shipping is actually cheaper through MD than it would be for you to individually get them from Germany for the better part unless you live there.
The way you worded basically implies you have to be made of money to buy anything from anywhere whilst living in the EU which is obviously not a thing. You pay VAT for (mostly) good reason, just gotta deal with it.
PS: actually, if you really think about it, buying stuff inside the EU (if MD were to have an EU warehouse, for example) will mean you pay VAT invariably whilst buying outside can some times mean you don't - be it because your customs lets some things slide, someone makes a mistake, some businesses help customers out by under-declaring parcels, omitting shipping costs... In Portugal our staff is overworked and underpaid, it's happened on several occasions that I've not had to pay VAT on MD parcels marked over $100 in value each.
The way you worded basically implies you have to be made of money to buy anything from anywhere whilst living in the EU which is obviously not a thing. You pay VAT for (mostly) good reason, just gotta deal with it.
PS: actually, if you really think about it, buying stuff inside the EU (if MD were to have an EU warehouse, for example) will mean you pay VAT invariably whilst buying outside can some times mean you don't - be it because your customs lets some things slide, someone makes a mistake, some businesses help customers out by under-declaring parcels, omitting shipping costs... In Portugal our staff is overworked and underpaid, it's happened on several occasions that I've not had to pay VAT on MD parcels marked over $100 in value each.
pomk
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May 18, 2017
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VAT has not been collected on these before the import VAT on ETA re-entry. You never pay VAT twice. The cost of the bulk shipment to USA is negligible when divided by all customers. There are to my understanding no import fees for massdrop to pay.
Gimli123262
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May 18, 2017
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ideusI'm from Europe, but I don't want to spend $60 on a set to only use a few keys. I can fill a whole board with base, and don't need to use the correct legends.
b9nign
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May 18, 2017
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ideusSame problem as always. $204 ($260 or so with import taxes) just for base set and a handful of extra keys to cover my language. Not even any fancy novelties. I'm a Gagarin fanboy but once again I'm noping out of a pretty keyset. But my Varmilo keycaps are nice too and less than a third of the price so I get over it. 😭
ideus
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May 20, 2017
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ChildRight. I switched to ANSI early in my quest for a good mechanical keyboard, it was the best move I can do, then. Non English options were very limited and even then GMK was not an option for custom sets due to a very high MoQ. We are leaving in very interesting times nowadays.
ideus
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May 21, 2017
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iSaffNo issues whatsoever, non-English characters are easily accessible using the alternate graphics layer, at least for French and Spanish that is very easy; however, I do not know how difficult could be for other Language sets like Portuguese, German or Italian. You should give a try, the ANSI main characters set has a very clean distribution of legends and makes getting custom sets a breeze.
Vigrith
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May 21, 2017
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ideusFor Portuguese the only thing you miss by using an ANSI-US layout board with PT-PT on Windows OS are the < > signs, nothing else. Can easily work around that with programmable keyboards and/or the RAMA M10 or similar macro pads. My wife is Finnish and she has used ANSI for years now too with no issues.
Makes everyone's life so much easier.
Makes everyone's life so much easier.
ideus
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May 21, 2017
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T0mb3ryIt means that most of us, that use a Latin character based character set, can peacefully live with a single keyboard Layout. For me the best of everything comes in the form of a modern interpretation of the US ANSI XT Layout but now with an ISO Enter.
ojrask
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May 21, 2017
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iSaffI've been using my new ANSI keyboard for a few months now. ISO Nordic is the layout I switched from. Will be forced to us ISO US on the old boards when I get new caps but rather have that than the now-awkward ISO Nordic layout.
All in all it was quite easy though it was hell for a few days until your muscle memory began to rebuild itself. :)
Currently the only ANSI vs. ISO issues appear when I switch programming languages. PHP and JavaScript work with ANSI muscle memory, but CSS/Sass and HTML work with ISO muscle memory for some reason when I type. Need to write more CSS and HTML with ANSI it seems.
EDIT: To access ÖÄÅ I use OS language quick switchers. LGui+Space on Ubuntu and Shift+Alt on Windows. The switch is instant on Ubuntu and there is a few millisecond delay on Windows, which makes it a bit like a keyboard Fn layer to change languages.
All in all it was quite easy though it was hell for a few days until your muscle memory began to rebuild itself. :)
Currently the only ANSI vs. ISO issues appear when I switch programming languages. PHP and JavaScript work with ANSI muscle memory, but CSS/Sass and HTML work with ISO muscle memory for some reason when I type. Need to write more CSS and HTML with ANSI it seems.
EDIT: To access ÖÄÅ I use OS language quick switchers. LGui+Space on Ubuntu and Shift+Alt on Windows. The switch is instant on Ubuntu and there is a few millisecond delay on Windows, which makes it a bit like a keyboard Fn layer to change languages.
T0mb3ry
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T0mb3ry
May 21, 2017
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ideusSmart use of multiply icon. Well hope Yuri changes it for you since afaik you are big fan of icon modifiers :)
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