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dekonnection
3
Jul 8, 2017
Unsurprisingly, the overpriced shitty Dox/Ortho set hasn't reached MOQ yet ...
Qwertyasdf
6
Jul 8, 2017
dekonnectionthe list hasn't been updated in two days l
sevenseacat
1938
Jul 8, 2017
dekonnectionand there's still 15 days left to go...
dekonnection
3
Jul 8, 2017
QwertyasdfYeah, but correctly priced and splitted between Ergodox and Ortho, it would have been really successful, now it only brings frustration to ortho users.
dekonnection
3
Jul 8, 2017
dekonnectionThink about that : I wanted this set, and I was even ready to pay more to have keys for my ortholinear boards ; now I'm still thinking about buying it or not at all.
No way I'm paying 200$ to cover a <50-keys keyboard.
sevenseacat
1938
Jul 8, 2017
dekonnectionis there any overlap between the dox/ortho sets? If not, there might be a good second-hand market for them, as long as enough people buy them for them to get made.
dekonnection
3
Jul 8, 2017
sevenseacatI think Ergodox users need almost all the keys, I don't think there would be much of a second-hand market for the 1u caps only.
Just compare with the SA Carbon drop : I paid only 36$ more to cover my Planck with only the keys I needed. With SA Godspeed, it was even less : 21$
jrjr2
763
Jul 8, 2017
dekonnectionUhm that comparison doesnt make sense since SA sets are usually splits up for every set (alphas, modifiers, etc) and of course its going to be cheaper to get a specific layout.
dekonnectionThe kit is pricey but I strongly disagree with you. It is the first time that an Ergodox/Planck kit with legends that covers multiple layouts has ever been done in GMK profile, which requires new molds. And the comparisons you are making are more than unfair. SP has a MOQ of 25 units, which allows designers to do more kits.
Since GMK has a 100 MOQ, that requires us to bundle stuff in bigger kits and discard doing separate Ergodox and Planck/Preonic kits. This also comes with some perks, just check the $10 price drop when reaching 150 units on this kit. Or the almost $20 price drop for the novelties when reaching 1000 units...
By the way, 85 orders in 4 days for GMK is huge. To put that in perspective it took a successful set as Yuri about 8 days to reach that same number, with a total of 124 kits sold.
climbalima
269
Jul 8, 2017
dekonnectionWhat does correctly priced mean to you? This seems like pretty standard price for a gmk nonstandard pack. It is also the first ergoplanck kit with legends. Dont get a planck if you want cheap keycap options.
Orac
202
Jul 8, 2017
dekonnectionNote the current total purchased, it's now 1557. We can estimate the current kit sales from the snapshots of sales we had before:
Base kit is likely ~1000 now. Ergodox kit is likely ~95.
Two weeks still to run and nobody mentioned the Asia proxy, which will add a big boost on the final day. The kit will tip for sure and may yet reach the first price break.
jrjr2
763
Jul 8, 2017
OracDo you know how much asia usually accounts for in terms on numbers? 20% increase? more/less?
Orac
202
Jul 8, 2017
jrjr2I don't think as much as 20%, a lot less.
You could read back through the Yuri discussion and you might find precise numbers, and there are some graphics like the one in this post by @everyman : https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-t0mb3ry-gmk-yuri-custom-keycap-set/talk/1702392
Someone mentioned that Taobao stock was showing 76/100 base kits sold at the approximate time of the graphic, so maybe very roughly 10% would be a sane estimate to use, but allow a big margin or error on that.
dekonnection
3
Jul 8, 2017
ZambumonI understand your arguments and I won't say you're wrong, because you're not from an accounting point of view.
The fact that with every GMK set, you are forced to buy a billion keys you won't ever use, is not a reason to be happy that it is again the case with that drop.
With every GMK drop, we can read "Great value ! The base kit features a full set and every key you'd ever need for any standard keyboard !" Yeah, that's another way to say that you're buying a bunch of useless stuff that will stay in a drawer forever. And that you're fucked if you don't have a standard keyboard, since alphas won't ever be sold separately.
If you only need alphas in it, this is getting ridiculous.
I'm happy for you that this set is successful, it's really gorgeous and I was waiting for it to drop to buy it. I'm not angry, just really disappointed, I won't be able to get this set although I'm still a huge fan of it, just because of that shitty grouping/pricing policy.
(maybe it's GMK's fault, not yours, but that still does not make it right)
climbalima
269
Jul 8, 2017
dekonnectiongmk needs larger kits for them to be affordable. Look at the gmk retro that failed a few months ago.
OracThe base kit surpassed the 1000MOQ on Thursday night.
jrjr2
763
Jul 8, 2017
ZambumonDo you know if there will be further discounts (1500? 2000?) or if not discounts, maybe keys added assuming certain MOQ.
joelfong
25
Jul 8, 2017
ZambumonI think one big question is why essential Planck/Preonic caps (1u Enter for example) were only bundled with Ergodox rather than added to the Base/Spacebar Kit, and why there were no cheaper alternatives (like 1u Blanks or 1u Novelties).
The Base Kit technically already covers the Planck layout fine with a few mismatched legends. And the Spacebar Kit has a 2u spacebar. All we really need is a just few more caps to make it pretty. I don't see why Planck/Preonic users have to buy an entire Ergo/Planck Kit just to use a few 1u caps when these options *could* have been bundled with Base/Novelties/Spacebar.
I also think comparing the current 85 Ergo/Planck orders in 4 days to Yuri isn't fair because of the mass appeal Nautilus' colorway seems to have. Every kit is doing really well. You can't just say Ergo/Planck is doing well and assume it's just because of the legends. Saying that the 250 drop price is similar to past GMK Ergo/Planck kits is also misleading because those past kits do provide a lot more keycaps and are inherently more versatile.
I can understand you wanting to push for a kit with legends, and I think it's great that future GMK sets would be able to make use of these new moulds, but I personally think there could have been a better approach for spreading out cost rather than forcing it all on a single kit. It might not be your intention, but it really feels like Planck/Preonic users are being singled out here.
Vigrith
4081
Jul 9, 2017
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