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peterzhangrn
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Mar 10, 2017
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DO NOT BUY 18000 vph. Read the fine print. Also the 59 Jewels thing is completely bull: 1. Jewels are used to reduce wear and tear at articulation point, and is only needed there (23 or 21 is pretty standard) 2. These jewels are completely artificial which cost $50 in total
Mar 10, 2017
Farrago
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Mar 10, 2017
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peterzhangrnwhats wrong with the 18000? poor accuracy?
Mar 10, 2017
dholik8503
Mar 10, 2017
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peterzhangrnMassdrop Administrator--would you please bring peterzhangrn's concerns to the attention of Maurice Lacroix staff? I am sure they could enlighten us about the design of the movement. A brief net search about "low beat" versus "high beat" movements yields an interesting discussion---I am not qualified to pass judgement.
Mar 10, 2017
iKnowThings
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Mar 10, 2017
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peterzhangrnWow that level of ignorance is just beyond me.. 18,000 vph doesn't make a bad watch, a lot of companies are using it (including high end manufacturers like Lange) simply to respect the tradition, and provide a bit more power hours to the power reserve. Second thing, no-one ever said anything about the jewels making the watch better or being genuine. This is info provided by pretty much every watchmaker.
Mar 10, 2017
hyperchord24
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Mar 10, 2017
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My vintage Rolex has this beat rate. Want a sweeping second hand? Get a Bulova or a GS Spring drive.
Mar 10, 2017
peterzhangrn
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Mar 10, 2017
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FarragoHello Farrago: There are three conventional beats per hour measurement, and 18000 is the lowest. And generally, the lower the vph the higher the chance for the watch to be not accurate (comparatively speaking against other mechanical watches). Meanwhile, almost all high-end watches would feature a high vph. In the end of the day, the economic reason for buying mechanical watch is none-existent if you compare it to quartz, but if I were you, as a customer, I don't want to be swindled. And the fact that this particular watch features slow vph but instead decided to advertise for non-functional part (how many gems' it's got) lead me to believe that I am being swindled.
Mar 10, 2017
peterzhangrn
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Mar 10, 2017
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iKnowThingsEverything else being equal, would you want a watch with a higher vph or lower one?
Mar 10, 2017
SkipPe
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Mar 10, 2017
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peterzhangrnAre you familiar with the complexity of retrograde complications? My Seiko is 23 jewels. It is time only. Yes, there are 7 jewel old pocket watches, and there are 51 jewel chronographs.
More importantly, there is nothing inherently better about a high-beat movement. Zenith's El Primero is high beat, as are many Grand Seikos, but that means nothing. There is no inherent advantage or disadvantage to this metric.
Most of all, all watch jewels are artificial rubies. Similarly all sapphire crystals are artificial. They are all lab-made, whether it is a Rolex or a Seiko.
There are books about this subject, forums as well.
Mar 10, 2017
peterzhangrn
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Mar 10, 2017
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SkipPeQuoting from wikipedia: VPH describes the number of times that a vibrating timekeeping component completes a vibration cycle in 1 hour. More vibrations per hour yields higher timekeeping resolution, and usually indicates a higher precision mechanical movement
Mar 10, 2017
WillVautrain
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Mar 10, 2017
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peterzhangrnThis is not a very informed opinion. I've owned low beat watches that were incredibly accurate, and high beat watches that were not so accurate. Low beat watches tend to have a better power reserve, high beat watches tend to need service more frequently, in my experience. I've owned about 50 mechanical watches in 18 years of collecting.
Maurice Lacroix makes this movement in-house. They're not adding extra jewels to up the jewel count, such tomfoolery is the domain of Chinese brands and old low-grade watches. Retrograde displays, moon phase and power reserve complications up the jewel count out of necessity. 17-25 jewels is normal for three-hand, time-only movements.
All modern movement jewels are made of lab-grown rubies, whether they're in a $150 Seiko 5, or a $1,500,000 Richard Mille. They probably cost about 15 cents each to make. That fact is irrelevant.
Mar 10, 2017
morechitlins
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Mar 11, 2017
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peterzhangrnWow, thoroughly shut down. Pays to research a bit before saying anything.
Mar 11, 2017
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