Montblanc Timewalker Automatic Watch Discussions | Drop

Sep 15, 2018

This is a sheep amongst wolves. 21 jewel movement, wr 30m . Times can make a better watch. $1500 for this junk? Come on! Really?

Sep 15, 2018

Sep 15, 2018

anthonyosborn70Timex sorry spell check!

Sep 15, 2018

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Clerkpalmer

Sep 15, 2018

anthonyosborn70Can you elaborate? I'm new to the watch game. I'm considering moving some money around to buy this. Is the quality of the movement not commensurate with the price?

Sep 15, 2018

Tragique

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Sep 15, 2018

ClerkpalmerHe is complaining about the lack of water resistanc. If you like it, just don’t get it wet (other than rain).

Sep 15, 2018

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amjo70

Sep 15, 2018

ClerkpalmerIt is actually a 25 jewel movement not advertised 21.( 25 better) the water resistance is quite poor at 30 m. Nice watch but durability is bound to be poor due to the lack of water resistance(WR). Think of WR as a toughness scale. 30m not to tough. 3000m bulletproof. I personally would not buy a watch with less than 100m WR. THATS JUST ME.

Sep 15, 2018

YankeeRider

Sep 15, 2018

amjo70WR is in no way a measure of toughness. First, this is a dress piece. I may have issue with the size of this watch as a dress piece, but 30m is more then adequate for that role. Second, toughness Is measured by a wide variety of tests including shock resistance, magnetic resistance, and WR. the shock and magnetic resistance on a non shielded watch are determined by the movement, so most basic divers will have the same as this watch in that respect. Watches are tools, and not every tool in the chest needs to be a hammer.

Sep 15, 2018

Clerkpalmer

Sep 16, 2018

Yep. Love it. Want it.... for 1000.

Sep 16, 2018

Sep 16, 2018

YankeeRiderYes. And yes. But simplified toughness (many different ways to describe and measure.) if you dropped a 300 m WR watch and a 30 m WR watch from the same height and onto the same surface you would be safer with the 300m example. But I know where you are coming from.

These are not both hammers. Lol

Sep 16, 2018

Sep 18, 2018

ClerkpalmerSo when looking at watches 5 main factors define the price: The movement, the case material, dial, the fit/finish/polishing, and the brand/exclusivity.
This movement can be found in $600 Swatch group watches, Swatch makes the ETA movements. When compared to a $600 (street price not MSRP) Hamilton Intramatic this watch doesn't excel in any of the above factors in a way to warrant this price difference.

Sep 18, 2018

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Clerkpalmer

Sep 18, 2018

KethInteresting for sure. I feel like this is still a bit overpriced. At least compared to what 1500 will get me in the wus forums. Not apples to apples but I think its relevant.

Sep 18, 2018

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Sep 18, 2018

ClerkpalmerYou're absolutely correct, this watch is over priced for what you can get from other grey market retailers (no factory warranty).

Sep 18, 2018

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Sep 19, 2018

amjo70You say 3000m is bulletproof.
pray, tell me, what would you rate one of those oil-filled divers?
”nuclear bomb resistant?” ;)

Sep 19, 2018

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Sep 25, 2018

SirHelixHaha. Maybe.

Sep 25, 2018

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amjo70

Sep 26, 2018

SirHelixclose

Sep 26, 2018

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Sep 27, 2018

ClerkpalmerHey man with that much you could get all Seiko’s “Legendary SARBs” haha (035, 03, 017, maybe even the old 065)
Edit: and I’m talking about new lol

Sep 27, 2018

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Sep 27, 2018

SirHelixI mean, I have a new in box SARY089, #149/1000 and even it's going for $800 or less at this point.

Sep 27, 2018

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Sep 28, 2018

KethHow much did it cost you in the first place...?

Sep 28, 2018

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Sep 28, 2018

SirHelixIt was on $408 shipped from Japan. Really a shame that 38mm watches are just too small for my wrist. Would have preferred the SPB075J1, but just not in my price range.

Sep 28, 2018

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Sep 28, 2018

Kethwow

Sep 28, 2018

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Sep 28, 2018

Keth38 is awesome for me. That’s too bad It doesn’t work for you. Some awesome Seikos in that size range.

Sep 28, 2018

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Sep 29, 2018

SirHelixYeah, 40mm without the crown is as small as I enjoy. I have a 45mm Alpina, and a 46mm Oris Aquis small seconds...the Aquis wears big.

Sep 29, 2018

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Sep 29, 2018

KethI just saw in some post on your profile that you’ve got an 8 inch wrist. Now that makes a lot of sense.
...have you ever tried on one of Invicta’s 50mm++ dive watches [abominations]? You seem like their target market. ;)

Sep 29, 2018

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Sep 29, 2018

SirHelixNo, no..The Aquis is already a bit larger than I'd like. My current grail is a new in box Black Bay Bronze...but I can't justify the cost.

Sep 29, 2018

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Sep 29, 2018

KethI can say those bronze black bays do look very nice.

Sep 29, 2018

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Sep 29, 2018

SirHelixIf I could sell my Alpina and Oris for $800 or more each, and that Seiko for $800, I might take the plunge. The Alpina is no longer available, and the Aquis is always in demand...but they're bigger than what most people want.
https://www.jomashop.com/media/catalog/product/a/l/alpina-racing-level-5-automatic-black-dial-black-leather-mens-watch-al535ab5ar26.jpg
https://www.oris.ch/data/21381_01%20743%207673%204159-07%204%2026%2034eb_horizontale.png

Sep 29, 2018

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Sep 30, 2018

KethAre you familiar with Reddit's r/Watchexchange forum? You might try your luck there. I know they really like Seikos over there.

Sep 30, 2018

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Aleskb

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Dec 1, 2018

amjo70On a 3 hander, 25 jewels is no better than 21. In terms of parts exposed to friction, 21 largely covers all that's needed and 4 additional are more decorative than functional.

Dec 1, 2018

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Aleskb

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Dec 1, 2018

anthonyosborn70This and that have nothing to do with it. WR and toughness are totally different things. Drop your Invicta and an Oris diver 65 from the same height in example, and nothing says the Invicta will resist the drop better, despite the Oris being 10 ATM only. Same if you test a 20 ATM Damasko and any 100 ATM rated watch in stainless steel, chances are the Damasko will better resist the drop. WR is only about gaskets and screw-down crowns to make it resistent to leaks. Watch makers don't put thick WR gaskets in dress watches as they need to keep the case slim. And the absence of screw down is to make it more practical on a watch that's not designed to go in the swimming pool. So WR makes a watch tougher only in the sense it will sustain more humidity and water. The rest of toughness comes from overall engineering.

Dec 1, 2018

Slprwrx13

Dec 4, 2018

SirHelixI've got a SARB065. I'd hardly call it legendary. More like, pedestrian...

Dec 4, 2018

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Dec 4, 2018

Slprwrx13Hmm maybe Cocktail Time isnt as cool anymore. I remember it was really something a few years ago.

Dec 4, 2018

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Slprwrx13

Dec 4, 2018

SirHelixI like my cocktail and I still think it’s cool. But the movement, which is supposed to be superior to what they put in the Presage, is garbage. Way over rated.

Dec 4, 2018