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techwiz
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Oct 2, 2016
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You guys all need to stop thinking PSUs are made of tissue paper and paper clips. I volunteer at a place that refurbishes old "retired" OEM PCs to give to the less fortunate. Let me tell you, PSUs are usually the last thing to go on OEM systems. I'm talking hundreds of old Dell towers with Core 2 Duos or Pentium 4's running on their original PSUs from early 2000. 16 years later, still kicking. Whatever PSU MSI puts in these systems will be fine and if you need to replace it for whatever reason, I bet you can pull it out and find that it's just some regular ass SFF PSU or something you can pick up from Newegg or eBay. I find it funny that no one ever complains about the power bricks on laptops not being powerful enough but heaven forbid their desktop has a perfectly sized PSU for the job.
Oct 2, 2016
Romulux
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Oct 3, 2016
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techwiz"Whatever PSU MSI puts in" means nothing to me in terms of how reliable the PSU is. There's no info about this PSU so I would never trust it in a $1400 gaming rig, especially when the build is already very suspect.
Let's keep the discussion to this PC. This is not a typical setup. This is not a normal desktop computer. This thing has a PSU in a weird separate enclosure, and looks to have a very small fan coming out the back as exhaust. Just look at it, I don't know why you'd think you can order a replacement from newegg, considering almost every decent PSU made nowadays has some big fuckoff fan to keep it cool. PSU failure is often caused by overheating due to poor circulation and dust buildup. With a tiny fan like that I don't trust it at all, and the fact that people are defending this because it's MSI when it only has a 1 year warranty is just going to get people suckered.
You trust MSI so much that you will look at this and say nope, everything looks fine? Wow, that's brand loyalty I guess.. But the fact is this build looks to be very poorly conceptualized as an "art piece" and it's being sold as such.
If anyone does decide to buy this after reading my posts on the topic, best of luck to you, and I hope MSI does you right. Just be aware that to me and the rest of the PC building world that knows what's up, it looks like trash and you're putting off the vibe that you have more money than sense.
Oct 3, 2016
techwiz
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Oct 3, 2016
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RomuluxAlright.
"especially when the build is already very suspect." What's suspect about it?
"Let's keep the discussion to this PC. This is not a typical setup. This is not a normal desktop computer." Yes it is. What's special about this build in particular? Looks like a standard ATX mobo with a standard desktop 1070 with an SFF PSU.
"This thing has a PSU in a weird separate enclosure, and looks to have a very small fan coming out the back as exhaust...considering almost every decent PSU made nowadays has some big fuckoff fan to keep it cool" Multi-socket Xeon servers are cooled by little 45mm fans, size does not matter. Also lots of desktop cases have had basements for PSUs for quite some time now. Not new tech.
"MSI when it only has a 1 year warranty is just going to get people suckered." Literally every product ever. Welcome to capitalism.
"You trust MSI so much that you will look at this and say nope, everything looks fine? Wow, that's brand loyalty I guess.. But the fact is this build looks to be very poorly conceptualized as an "art piece" and it's being sold as such." I don't like this PC nor am I a massive fan of MSI since they stiffed me a $30 rebate on a $600 card not even a year ago. Objectively tho, these specs look fine.
"me and the rest of the PC building world that knows what's up, it looks like trash and you're putting off the vibe that you have more money than sense." I'm a system builder, I've been one for many years, I've designed and built many computers for several of my friends. Not a single "fact" has been stated about this build and it's PSU. None. Not one. You're full of it when you say "the rest of the PC building world" because you're just absolutely and completely wrong about that. MSI has been building systems for years and I don't see people on the internet crying bloody murder about MSI products catching fire or dying unexpectedly. With how sue happy Americans are, I can guarantee you that MSI is going to be doing their best to cover their own asses.
The amount of FUD that has been going around just shows the sheer ignorance of you folks who got sucked in by the marketing nonsense of groups trying to push 1000W+ PSU that no one ever needs. Linus from LinusTechTips did a video where they put 7 (that's right, seven) AMD R9 Nano's in a single machine with a Xeon and total it went and pulled between 1300 and 1600W (

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Finally, if you're worried about this PSU being some proprietary crap, go home, you're drunk. No one makes a custom PSU for a desktop. There are tons of SFF and TXF form factor PSUs that look just like this one. Why spend tons of money on RnD to make a custom PSU when you can build a case that has a slot big enough for a standardized (albeit smaller standard) PSU? You'd be out of your mind.
Now get off my lawn, you crazy kids.
Oct 3, 2016
HowAmI
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Nov 23, 2016
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techwizInWin makes a custom PSU for their custom case...
Nov 23, 2016
techwiz
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Nov 24, 2016
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HowAmIIf you're referring to their ITX shoebox cases, then yea that would have to be some kind of custom solution because the case is the size of a PSU. The alternative would be external power like a laptop. This machine however, plenty big enough for a proper standard PSU.
Nov 24, 2016
HowAmI
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Nov 24, 2016
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techwizWhat shoebox? I'm talking about the custom D-Frame 2 case.
Nov 24, 2016
techwiz
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Nov 24, 2016
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HowAmIOh wow I'd not seen that case before, that's pretty wicked. Also, doesn't InWin make regular ATX PSUs? I've never bought one so I can't speak to their quality but I suppose making a custom PSU would be no thing for a company that makes PSUs. It's like saying Corsair makes custom RAM. MSI on the other hand, doesn't make PSUs.
Nov 24, 2016
HowAmI
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Nov 24, 2016
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techwizI think InWin does make regular ATX PSUs from the reviews I have seen on JonnyGuru they're not bad.
Nov 24, 2016
NeoDeath
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Nov 25, 2016
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RomuluxIt's water cooled the reason it says provided is because they already told you what it was with the base desktop.
Nov 25, 2016
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