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MSI GeForce GTX 980Ti Gaming 6G Golden Edition

techwiz

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Apr 17, 2016

I like all the comments talking about how this drop is pointless/stupid/whatever because some new GPU is coming out around the corner. You know... like is always the case, all the time in the tech industry. Also the blind hope that Pascal or w.e AMD is producing is going to somehow double performance overnight like magic... because that's how technology works now, I guess. Incredible amounts of sarcasm aside, the new GPUs are not going to be cheaper than this card is now, they've never been cheap at launch and you'll probably be waiting a couple months to potentially save about $50 on this card... or you could play a game for the next couple months while the next GPUs come out. Not to mention this card would probably have gone down $50 in 6 months anyway.

j4yl1u

Apr 17, 2016

techwizThis card is going to go down $200+ on eBay from people dumping it to upgrade in 2 months. There's a difference between waiting 8 months vs waiting 2 months. That aside, looks like Newegg is already doing the dumping; because they know nobody would want this card when you can pay $400 or less for the lower tier Pascal and still get better performance than this card.

techwiz

235

Apr 17, 2016

j4yl1uThat's literally never happened in the history of GPUs. Who in in their right mind would sell a 980 ti they bought at the launch price of $650 less than a year ago for $400 or less to buy a probably $600+ Pascal GPU? Low end Pascal equaling literally the highest end GPU nVidia has produced thus far? What are you smoking, man. Pascal is not some kind of magic witchcraft nonsense that will double performance overnight. At best I expect maybe 30-40% increase. And that's being ultra generous. The low end Pascal will probably be on par with the 970 or 970ti, not the 980ti. nVidia has never cannibalized their own sales like that. The highest price drop I'd expect is maybe $100 within 6 months of Pascal being available... I doubt there will be much more.

jay.liu

Apr 18, 2016

techwizSorry to rain on your parade but this has happened multiple times already. When Maxwell came out people were selling 770 as low as 150. 780 dropped down to 300s. GTX 970 also matched 780 in performance at only $329.99 launch. Jen Hsun Hwang has touted Pascal GPUs performance to be 10 times Maxwell per watt. I don't know what kind of pot you're smoking but you're the ignorant one here. If you want 9&0 Ti. This badly I will be happy to sell you my lightning edition for 200 off at pascal launch. That one is superior to this golden whatever version for the record.

techwiz

235

Apr 18, 2016

jay.liuThe 770 IS a Maxwell part... I assume you mean 2nd gen Maxwell? In which case I'd like to point out that the 780 was out for a year and a half before the 980 was released and the 980's performance numbers are not amazing compared to the 780. Also prices never drop by more than $100 until about a year after the next die launch. The 780 ti brought a $100 or so drop to the 770 before the 900 series released. So a used card that retails for $300 or so, pretty typical for it to go for $200 used. This card however retails for about $650, say it drops to $550 with Pascal, it's not going to go for $200 used after only like 9 months, especially not before Pascal is out and available. I would suspect most sensible folks will be holding on to their 980/980ti's instead of upgrading to Pascal and I doubt they will be trying to sell them at $400, probably closer to $500.

techwiz

235

Apr 18, 2016

jay.liuAlso I'd like to point out that 10x performance per watt could also mean same exact performance at 1/10 power draw. FYI.

j4yl1u

Apr 18, 2016

techwizMan I'm speechless. 770 PN starts with GK. Care to take a guess what K stands for? Kepler. I don't know about sensible, but 980 Ti is insufficient for VR/QHD+ at max settings. Pascal is the logical step for anyone that want real performance. Not even gonna argue with you about price. You'll see how cheap 980 Ti get on eBay in 2 months yourself.

techwiz

235

Apr 18, 2016

j4yl1uYou're right, I confused it with the 750 which was maxwell. However that also means that pascal only needs to have 10x performance per watt to a 750 for nVidia's claim to hold true... Shouldn't be too hard since the 980 is already twice as fast as the 750 and like 5x on compute.

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Yakov

1420

Apr 18, 2016

jay.liuAs a person who was flipping 700 series cards, they were never that low at launch of the 900 series.

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HerbalVerbal

Apr 18, 2016

techwizDude this drop is for idiots... JayLiu is correct
Please don't be stubborn.. when you are wrong, you are wrong.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-GeForce-GTX-980TI-GAMING-6G-GOLDEN-EDITION-/301762065847?hash=item46426bb5b7:g:Hf0AAOSwT5tWGRO0
There cheaper than this drop already, also check out Newegg.....

Sux2bu

Apr 18, 2016

j4yl1uA lot of misleading information about Pascal and gaming being thrown around. https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/462486-nvidia-pascal-mythbusting/

techwiz

235

Apr 18, 2016

Sux2buOh thank goodness, someone actually took the time to read nVidia's statement. Y'all gonna flip a 980Ti for $400 and then shit yourselves when pascal is barely an improvement over it. But hey, all aboard the hype train, woo woo.

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elle_c

Apr 18, 2016

HerbalVerbalsome of us do not live in the states. thus this is cheaper

erase

244

Apr 18, 2016

techwizDepends on what you are trying to do with said card.In certain situations, it is a very big improvement actually.

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techwiz

235

Apr 18, 2016

eraseIf you're doing compute sure, but wouldn't you have a Titan, Quadro or some other workstation card instead of a 980Ti? I will say, if that info posted by Sux2bu is spot on and the FP32/64 numbers are representative of the number of CUDA cores, that's a massive upgrade in compute performance. Pascal is looking pretty interesting for compute applications, not much explicitly interesting for gaming tho.

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Sux2bu

Apr 18, 2016

techwizI'm sure at some point there will be versions for gamers, how much of an improvement or when is purely speculation at this point . However they're not going to throw their other cards in the bargain bin as some have suggested. I'm sure there's going to be some gamers that will grab the first Pascals as they come out because of all the hype, and bragging rights, not because it's the right choice but because it's a 'PASCAL, FTW'. lol

erase

244

Apr 18, 2016

techwizIf you are using gpu render engines a couple 980ti reference cards will give you much more bang for your buck than a Titan currently.Vram is extremely important when working with large scenes in Octane so that is a big upgrade. The total CUDA cores of 4-8 pascal cards stacked will also be a big difference in comparison to maxwell. I do however agree with your comment about gaming.

j4yl1u

Apr 19, 2016

YakovYou missed out on some good deals then. :P

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Yakov

1420

Apr 19, 2016

j4yl1uLowest I got was 200 each for a pair. Most were still 245+

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PaulMD

Apr 20, 2016

Sux2buIf there were a performance niche for the 980 Ti in the early Pascal generation then NVIDIA wouldn't be ramping down 980 Ti production. They may in fact have outright discontinued production entirely - production is WAY down and retailers are clearing out their gear.

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PaulMD

Apr 20, 2016

techwizIt depends what you need. Quadro cards buy you the ISV-certified drivers for CAD/CAM/etc, and ECC memory. If you don't need those then the corresponding consumer GPU is just fine at a much lower price. Maxwell does not have any native FP64 compute capability so regardless of whether you get a Quadro or a Titan, if you want FP64 then you want one of the cards from the Kepler generation.
The Titan X fits a very narrow niche in the compute market - Maxwell, non-ECC memory, but gobs of it. It's pretty much perfect for machine learning stuff, which doesn't need FP64. But Pascal adds FP16 compute, which allows higher performance for those tasks.

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BluRaymasterrace

Apr 20, 2016

Yakovin USD?

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H290

Apr 20, 2016

PaulMDNo if they can make a comparable card on the new board then continuing to make the older board (even if it is still relevant in performance) is financially unsound.

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PaulMD

Apr 22, 2016

H290There is no such thing as "relevant in performance", only relevant in performance *at a particular price*. People still run Radeon 7970s from way back in 2012 - they don't pay the original $550 street price for them anymore, but it's still a relevant card at a ~$150 price point. AMD actually kept producing it up until 2015, as the R9 280X.
Similarly, NVIDIA rebranded the GTX 680 as the GTX 770, and there's a bunch of GTX 400 and 600 series cards at the bottom end of the 700 series lineup too. Or in other words, NVIDIA kept making circa-2011 Fermi cards and circa-2012 Kepler cards well into 2015.
Developing an architecture and making the lithographic masks for each chip is by far the most expensive part of chip production. The first hamburger costs tens of billions of dollars, and after that they are $0.99 apiece, so to speak. Or in actual terms - probably less than $100 to build a 980 Ti, with probably several hundred dollars of research and development costs. It makes sense to ride that investment *for as long as it makes sense in the market*. If NVIDIA is discontinuing the 980 Ti, then it means they've got a more appealing combination of price-to-performance coming down the pipe and they don't think they can sell 980 Tis after it comes out. Particularly if it's lower-power as well.

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