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May 19, 2017

Not the best price for these specs, I'd strongly recommend just building your own. Example of a build with double the memory, a better GPU, stronger PSU, and an unlocked CPU for less money: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cwpmpb Also, the description says it has a PCI-E x16 SSD, the specs do not list that.

saturnotaku

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May 19, 2017

SkitTheCritYou neglected to include an operating system in your build.
And for some of us, the days of putting together our own PCs are long past.

SkitTheCrit

May 19, 2017

saturnotakuI purposefully did not include an operating system, if you did include Win 10 home, which you can often get for about $80, it would only be a little more while still being a lot more capable.

taro.dollars

May 19, 2017

SkitTheCritYou're neglecting to consider that not everyone has the ability or interest in building their own system right? Also, while Massdrop fucked up their specs on the SSD, you failed to include one at all, despite the fact that many people consider them to be essential for a build nowadays, even a budget one. Also, this system is intended for LAN parties and gaming, and Ryzen is worse than Intel in that aspect, regardless of its multi core performance. In addition, the stock Ryzen cooler is inferior to MSI's, and you failed to include an operating system. You're build is inferior for this use case, you don't know what you're talking about, and it's more expensive than you made it out to be.

SkitTheCrit

May 19, 2017

taro.dollarshttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/DVVGYr OK then, here is a build with a i5-7500 instead of a 7400, Cryrig M9i cooler, 240GB SSD, more powerful 550w PSU that allows for future upgrades, faster RAM, and Windows included for about $5 more. And I know not everyone has the interest in building their own system, but if you are willing to learn, I thought I would just say its the better option.

itsmep0rk

May 19, 2017

SkitTheCritAMD in the same sentence as Better? Sorry I would take this system over the one you put together all day long. And I wouldn't have to put it together BONUS.

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SkitTheCrit

May 19, 2017

itsmep0rkDo you not like AMD? I can understand not wanting to put together your own system, some people do not want to, but what's wrong with AMD? The new Ryzen processors are very capable, and they can overclock, something that the i5 in this system can't do.

SgtPepper

May 19, 2017

SkitTheCritI think you are either being trolled or these poor souls are too far gone. Thank you for the build links.

SkitTheCrit

May 19, 2017

SgtPepperIt's OK, some people just don't want to build their own system and I can understand that. And some people also just prefer Intel over AMD, which I can understand as well. And you're welcome!

taro.dollars

May 19, 2017

SkitTheCritThanks for the second build mate, looks good.

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taro.dollars

May 19, 2017

itsmep0rkQuit being an Intel Fanboy. AMD is superior now in price to performance and Multicore, the only problem with OP's argument was that AMD isn't as good for games.

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itsmep0rk

May 19, 2017

SkitTheCritI used to love AMD.. till their processors fell off the face of the earth. :) Ryzen has serious problems still. Now ATI (now AMD) I have never liked since way back in the day. They drivers were always an issue. (and still seem to be). I won't buy anything but Nvidia. Yes, more expensive, But, you get what you pay for. (IMO) I'll keep my eye on the Ryzen processors and see how they develop. I really hope they compete. It will force Intel to price their processors more competitively. As far as overclocking goes. I used to be all about it, I really don't see the need anymore. I play at well above 60fps on max settings (granted i'm not on a 4k system). I would be more worried about a capable PCIe NVMe SSD and Memory than I would overclocking the CPU/GPU.

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itsmep0rk

May 19, 2017

taro.dollarsNvidia FanBoi admittedly.. Intel... no.. need to be.. i7 is a far superior CPU to anything AMD has released. The Ryzen processors are not there yet. (really don't think they will ever be tbh). But its good for the end user, it will drive competition and reduce prices. And I believe this thread was about GAMES? amiright?
Please provide me links to server hardware that is using anything other than Xeon processors and the benchmarks to put Ryzen CPU's ahead? good luck.. they dont exist.

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taro.dollars

May 19, 2017

itsmep0rkThe benchmarks exist, check literally any Ryzen review. On any non-gaming bench, Ryzen was competitive with Intel, even with all of Ryzens ram dependence and compatibility issues. And that is without Ryzen Threadripper, which hasn't even been released yet. And of course there's no AMD servers, AMD doesnt have any server chips out yet. So congrats, Intel won against a non existent competitor. But you're right about nvidia, all current AMD cards are inferior performance wise.

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itsmep0rk

May 19, 2017

taro.dollarsso out of 3 recently written articles I see a lot of numbers on paper, but not one actual benchmark. So what you're saying is, they look good on paper. (which I admit they do). They are not proven in the industry. Where as the Xeon/i7/i5 processors are rock solid and proven. Like I said before, I hope AMD makes a comeback. We could all take advantage of the price wars. Congrats? You said they were better. Against what? desktop and laptops used for browsing the web and running office? And from everything I've read they are not superior gaming processors. Which is really what this thread was related to. I had many a AMD machine back in the day. I believe was around the same time Intel had the MMX based pentium chips. The Celeron/PIII was about the time Intel walked away and never looked back. When more data hits the field and AMD resolves some of the glitches they are having, I will jump on the Ryzen wagon. Right now I'll sit with Intel.

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itsmep0rk

May 19, 2017

taro.dollarsand then there is this. https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/5/19/15666284/amd-radeon-vega-frontier-edition-gpu-availability
holycrap.. This could be great for both the GPU and CPU market :)

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Cynteara

May 20, 2017

itsmep0rkIm sorry but you are wrong about the drivers being bad. Historically they were, but not anymore. AMD constantly improve their cards through software improvements. You can look at the r9 390, which at release was competing in price and performance to a 970. Now, it competes in performance to a 980.
More recently, the RX480 card was just behind the 1060, and lower priced. Now the RX480 beats out the 1060 by a good 10% in most scenarios.

As far as no need for overclocking, it was never a need. It's about getting free performance gains on a chip, a luxury that the Ryzen chips have, and the non-K intel chips (like the one in this system) don't.

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Stepbystep

549

May 20, 2017

SkitTheCritSmall note, the days of using OEM Windows for home builds are over. If/when Microsoft pulls its tricks after activation, you'll end up spending a lot more to get it running than if you'd just spent a few bucks more up front for the retail version. OS is where it gets hard to build for the same cost as a pre-built these days but at least you can put together what you want. I don't think this MSI is a bad deal, not what I'd want for myself but at least the mobo & chipset are capable for awhile and it supports Optane. Better than the majority of what's spec'd on the cheaper pre-builts I see out there lately and I don't think I've seen any rigs that pair the i5 7400 with anything but a cheap 110 board. This at least has a bit of power to run a halfway decent card like the 1050ti and the whole rig is pretty capable. Not a fan of proprietary boards and power supplies, though.

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saturnotaku

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May 22, 2017

StepbystepThe PSU is really what's preventing me from picking this up because it really limits your upgrade possibilities. Even a GTX 1070 would be pushing it to a place where I wouldn't be comfortable stressing the machine long-term. Maybe a mid-range NVIDIA Volta GPU will bring down power consumption to where it wouldn't be an issue, but that's not a gamble I'd be willing to take right now.

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Stepbystep

549

May 22, 2017

saturnotakuI think it's probably sufficient to run that system maxed out and at high graphics settings with no harm. It'd be nice to see pics or have details on the mobo and the case cooling/fans, but I'd assume they're using full or partial modern capacitors on the board and most hardware is more efficient than it used to be (and let's just assume the psu here isn't junk quality despite the bronze rating). The 1050 Ti is a pretty capable card for most people and there's still some headroom in this unit to upgrade a little or accessorize. Onboard 4Gb of DDR5 takes a good load off of the rest of the system. I've been using that card myself for a few weeks now on a Dell refurb project (with only 240w!!! also, screw Dell...) and it's really impressive how little power it draws...I don't ask a whole lot from it but I've yet to see it draw the full 75w. I think this system could safely bump up to the 1070 if it'll fit in the case and you aren't looking for ultra settings or multi-tasking while playing. If that's an honest Mini ITX psu and not proprietary then you could upgrade it relatively cheaply...I think those go up to about 400w. Maybe throw a cheap stick of 4 or 8 gb ram if you game with other stuff running or do some light video editing/batch photo processing. If you have an OS/drive that you can just move onto a new system without having to buy a new copy, you could definitely put something better together for the same-ish cost but overall this really isn't bad and is capable enough for what the majority of people want with a little room for upgrades and such.

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