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I'm looking for IEMs to produce music. So I need some IEMs that sound mostly neutral / analytical (with a little amount of "fun"). Normally I love the signature of my AKG 240MKII, but they are so big, it's hard to always take them with me, and I'm looking for an IE alternative to them. Do you think the Nuforce fullfill this request? If not, do you know any other recommendations?
I seen the report at innerfidelit, 499, really? Why for, brand appeal. the expensive armatures dont mean anything to me, what does is the end result., According to the generally well trusted innerfidelity, and others, these earphones have basically no response above around 1500hz., There is no trebbel. Yes the bass is amazing, but it's missing 9/10ths the audio spectrum..,
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Caiz
I think the measurements have something strange as frequency response wouldn't even stop to a wall like this. Also, IEMs generally always have some roll off on higher frequencies as our ear canals will emphasize higher frequencies.
Jyri
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lol, thats a matter for EQ, what our ear will do i suggest, since everyone's hearing is different, why tune a headphone for one persons ear? We have eq' for that and the people who make music account for that, since all sound coming into the ear canal would be treated the same, right? Doesn't matter iem or headphone.. it's all bouncing around the canal. but that, -20 decibels above 3000hz is really like absent sound above 3000hz. which is huge, like i says, you can try this in an audio player, and there is ALOT of material around 3000hz+. im sure this is a non intentional effect of the limited design and not some ideal figure.. Even with your headphones, or iem's play a song, then -20db your eq, and you tell me the difference isnt something giant. an elephant in the room. Not only that, but i think it inversely so, that people changing their instruments for "human hearing" are just making a misleading excuse. and that's whats actual instruments are for in my opinion, and is accommodated for by the artists and producers.,. now, if you mean to say that because the iem is in the canal, there is a difference in frequency response, we'll, that might be another subject, but such an argument hasn't been broached here yet.., at least not proper. Here's an example, from the massdrop EDC3 page, where rolloffs are not so aggressively early, or aggressive so i see a minux 5, not a minus 20 (in the logarithmic scale mind you) measure of db, and is more server outside that logarithmic representation., now i don't mean to be rude, but i suppose that the massdrop figures provided here are probably a bit "rosey".. and not "raw",. just my understanding, i'd say for something rolling off so hard, i don't see the appeal there., i think the low frequency is probably very nice.,
Just bought these to replace the EDC3 after the left side dropped from the connector and can't find it. Hope these impress me.
A late comment... like a few other folks, when I received these and tried them out, I wasn't impressed... they sounded kind of incoherent, with a really forward high end. Then I noted someone having the same impression, which they recanted with different tips on the IEMs.
I added SpinFit twin blades to mine, and I have seen the light! Great sounding IEMs!
These are on Amazon for $199. Where the heck are they getting the $499 from?
JWolters
They were selling for $499 when they first came out.
Can anyone comment how these compare to HEM6 and EDC3?
dgt5
They are much better than EDC3s, which I like.
they are similar re comfort (both good), but the sound quality of the primo8s is clear and more engaging. In my view
dgt5
I found edc3 To be superior by far. See my edc3 review.
Any advice on how to burn in ? e.g. High volume ? 100 hours ? classical music ?
Hey guys. Quick question. I’m not too knowledgeable on how headphone specs are measured, so I don’t really know how to compare different products. That being said, I see that these IEMs are $500 and are being sold for $140. Is there a reason for this? Are they actually $500 headphones? How might one tell? Thanks in advance!
ameyer75
Well the truth is these were probably never really worth $500, but they do get close. They are sold at ost markets at far lower prices, massdrop has a specifically great deal. They are a great pair of in-ears at this price, highly recommended.
can this be powered by a samsung S8 to reach high volumes of sound? I have a shiit fulla but im planning to use this for portability and hence why i would be using it with my samsung s8. Also this would be my first IEMs. Would this be recommended for hip hop ,rock,edm music?
Azeendeen
Absolutely!
Forgive my ignorance but can these be driven ok with just an iPhone? Was debating between this and EDC3. These seem like a nice step up from the EDCs but should I stick with something lower impedance? The T2s are tempting but not wild about the looks. Just getting into sound equipment and looking for my first pair of IEMs. Want something for traveling that I can enjoy without amp. I prefer neutral sound.
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dgt5
Since you say you're new to the audio world, I'll just say that when you are looking at audio equipment (especially on an audiophile site like this) you will see a lot of discussions about amps, and will be tempted to think that you need one. I'll give you a couple of quick general guidelines to help you get started.
1. There aren't very many IEMs that truly need an amp. There are a (very) few that may benefit but for the most part you don't have to worry about it with IEMs. 2. I'm going to oversimplify to make it easy (the fine points can get really confusing, and despite the arguments you'll see, there is a lot of gray area). Here are the two main measurements you need to look at to tell whether you need an amp: impedance, which you correctly identified, and sensitivity - how loud they get with a given amount of power. Anything roughly 50 ohms and below could be considered low impedance, i.e., it's easy to power the drivers. Anything above, say, 106 dB sensitivity could be considered high sensitivity, i.e., they get loud easily. With 38 Ohm impedance and 118dB sensitivity, these are very easy to drive on pretty much any phone or other audio device, and don't need an amp to enjoy.
Again, there are a lot of details to get lost in as you dive deeper, but just wanted to give you a starting point to help understand what the heck people are talking about.
GunsOfBrixton
Thank you. Very helpful info.
Are these basically the HEM8 before the EM 8 existed?
WILLxLOVE
These were out before the HEM series. The Primo8 uses a different crossover technology and is tuned differently. They're brighter and more resolving than the warm and slightly dark HEM8. It'll all boil down to preference.
jaydunndiddit
Yep. As always Jay done did it bringing the knowledge. What’s funny, is on Amazon this company is marketing the HEM8 as the “newer model available“ for The Primo
primo8 or ue900s ???
e1winru
UE900s is more neutral and resolving with accurate staging. I demoed a primo8 and while the highs were very sweet and lush the staging was a little funny to my ears - almost as if out of phase or something. Might be a faulty demo set but I didn't dare take the risk after.
Does anyone know how these compare to for example nuforce edc's?
Goppsster
I purchased the EDC 3 and the new force HEM8. I thought the EDC 4was unimaginative, however critical but overall unimpressive entirely. I much prefer the V-shaped med to low bass bump sound of the HEM8. This looks like a cheaper pair of those, but I’ll need someone else to weigh in.
Is it possible to get a bluetooth cable for these earphones?
OMan
Sony mucm2bt1 or earstudio es100. These are the pricier but better quality ones, there is a Mee version (only aptx) on massdrop at the moment.
As an owner of these from a different source, if the Comply tips provided don't fit you, get some from Comply themselves. The sound signature of these is sooooooo much better with them.
First impression was underwhelming. I was hoping for an aha effect with 4BAs per side. Lacks bass. Yes seal is important and improves bass response but still. Clarity is nice. I still need to compare them to other iem though.
Regarding built quality I am suspicious about coating improvements. Since after one week of use one side showed already chipping as shown in photo although they always have been kept in provided pouch.
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Can any one compare this with logitech ue900
Sabarna
UE900S is more neutral and extended for bass, Primo8 has sweeter lusher highs but slightly less accurate staging when i demoed both.
So I'm looking to get these for on the go listening, I already have the 7xx for my computer set up, real question is how much portable amp am i gonna need if I wanna keep these dudes portable? Will underneath my comment talked about these not sounding good with improper amplification but I don't want these for my desktop lol, so I was wondering if it is worth it to get these and a portable amp or splurge on a great portable amp for the 7xx I already have if I want a good on the go listening set up
JakeDaBeast
In my experience they don’t need a ton of power, but they do need an amp with low output impedance. Around 1000 hz and up the impedance drops to around 7 ohms, which is pretty challenging for a lot of amps. I use Mine with a Fiio Q5 which has a very low output impedance and sounds great.
I thought these earphones were pretty mediocre when I got them. Sounded muddy and artificial on my iphone and both my portable amps.
The surprise came when I plugged them into my stationary amp (Schiit Magni 3). The sound quite dramatically improved to not just good, but fantastic. Absolutely fantastic. All the clarity, shimmer, and richness that was missing before suddenly was there.
My best guess: Because these headphones are really low impedance starting around 1kHz (7ohms maybe?), they really benefit from a low output resistance amplifier. Whatever the reason, they’re my favorite earphones now and I’m looking for a new portable ampdac
Will_F
What portable amps were you using with it?
bluewrecK
Fiio Q1 Mark II (Output impedance = 1.2 ohms at 32ohms loaded) and a Teac HA P50 (Output impedance unknown)
How can i return them if theres sth wrong? By mail or shop
NhaChou
Email Massdrop support
Can you fit shure tips on these?
The tips that came with my Primo 8’s don’t seal to my liking and the Comply’s seem to muddy the Sound signature.
i have been looking at the following ear tips and wanted to get some recommendations from the communit. It has come down to these 2:
VICTOR JVC EP-FX9M-B Spiral Dot Earpiece (Size M / 6 pcs) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JSLXNOC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_mPj3Ab35SGGBY
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SpinFit CP100-M – Patented Silicone Eartips for Replacement (2 Pairs, Medium size) (3.8 mm Nozzle Dia.) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B793SLU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_OSj3Ab61ZN46S
I would appreciate any any input you might have. Thank you!
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Alright, but I really like them with the JVC Spiral Dots. You have to do some improvising with the original silicons to get them to fit right. But once they are on. MAGIC!
hotjuicysteak
I may have try spiral dots now. I did get spinfits + a 2.5mm balanced cable for my sabaj da3.. holy crap the sound is so amazing.
No more muddy sound and eqing!
Does anyone have these and the EDC3’s? Not sure if these are worth getting in addition to them or if finding something higher up the food chain is better.
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If you want to do good classical music I would say get the isine. The openness of their sound really brings to life strings and brass
salander1800
I’m assuming no in ear will ever do that as well as open style like the isine
Are these pair of IEMs better than HEM6 and HEM8?
Odrazilef
nope, i prefer hem6 over anything.
Odrazilef
I would like a direct comparison with the HEM8 as well. I purchased the EDC three as well as the HEM8, and… The only way I know how to say it is the EDC threes are trash. The HEM8 actually sounded like I had decent speakers in my ears. But again all this shit is subjective and everyone needs to keep that in mind before they start shouting their opinions as fact, luckily this community is awesome about that shit. But if you were to ask me personally the HEM8s and that bass Is awesome. I’m curious given the Primos original price point if they are just the precursor to the HEM8s considering they both have four balanced armatures and are made by the same company. Or it’s tunes totally different.
I have Primo8's from a previous drop. Will offer them for $110 plus shipping CONUS (all accessories but without original packaging USPS Priority small flat rate box $7.20, in original package medium flat rate box $13.65). Like new condition. Less than 20 hours use. Great IEM's, but I have too many and these are not getting used. Reply with e-mail.
zombywoof
I'm really interested! My email is darobber@gmail.com
zombywoof
Is that availl able.my gmail is souravkoley88@gmail.com
hey guys - this looks like a good deal.
I have the Pinnacle P1 or Px (which is Massdrop's version of the P1). They're sort of my benchmark given they're widely known and consistently have great reviews and even the ones that do not rate them highly struggle to provide any negative input on them.
So - this is within the P1's pricepoint while the technical comparison (& to a lesser extent the original RRP) implies this would certainly be better than the P1.
Keen to know from anyone who owns both that can confirm this. Thanks!
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Yes. The Promo8's are really nice IEM's. I would like to sell them, however, as I am not using them. I have too many in my collection. The Pinnacle P1 are highly rated but the sound signature, or tuning, was not for me. I think I prefer the more even presentation of the Priom8. So. one being better than the other is highly subjective. Didn't want you to walk away thinking my comments about the Massdrop P1 were negative.
zombywoof
Are you still trying to sell your primo 8’s?
I just received mine and after a couple of minutes of listening to them on a Fiio X3 a noticeable distortion appeared in the right earphone. It is most noticeable on voice recordings like podcasts and youtube videos. I am afraid they are defective and am thinking to return/replace them. They sound great it seems but the distortion won't let me judge them accordingly. Maybe letting them burn-in overnight might solve it but I doubt.
Hawke
Hmm that's probably not a good sign! My original pair of my Primo 8 had a bad right IEM as well! It seemed to me like it was a blown low frequency BA Driver, and was only noticeable on my recordings with a deep and low bass to them!
That said, Nuforce has been GREAT to deal with, and they will most definitely fix your issues QUICKLY and probably send you another pair of them!
So if I were you, I'd either send Massdrop an email for their customer service, or send a direct email to Jyri, who runs Nuforce to my knowledge! Jyri has been a pleasure to deal with, and has gotten my problems fixed very quickly FWIW 😉
Here's Jyri's email if you need to reach out to him personally. But I would send Massdrop AND Jyri an email and see what they both have to say!
jyri.jokirinta@optoma.com
how are these compared to the kz zs6?
tritoch
so much fucking better, like by a lot
Just received mine.
- The nozzles turned out to be maybe even 1mm larger than Westone and Shure nozzles, which is too bad. - They sound muddier than the Westone 4R using the included Comply tips. - They sound and seal better with tri-flange tips, but they don't ship with them. - The microphone is positioned poorly, it falls somewhere in the middle of my belly. It should really be positioned where it is with iPhone headphone cables, on the right headphone's cable. - EQ adding another 20db to the 10khz-20khz range significantly reduces the muddiness of the sound. This is consistent with their frequency response (https://www.innerfidelity.com/images/NuForcePrimo8.pdf) and compared to the Westone 4R (https://www.innerfidelity.com/images/Westone4R.pdf). With respect to my personal preferences, my hearing is pretty consistently good and I'm a classically trained musician. - You get less telephoning with braided cables than the one it ships with.
With EQ, they sound as good as the 4-armature Westones. That's a big achievement! I got my W4 used for $180 in 2013, so this is a pretty great deal in that respect.
To put something more concrete to a description of the detail: - EQ greatly improves the rendering of noisey/glitchy music and church & chamber reverb. It's super clear. - For noisey artists like Sleigh Bells, Anamanaguchi and Marnie Stern, all the harmonic interference and heterodyne comes in great. - Contraltos and mezzo-sopranos don't sound as good as they do on the Westones. This would be the vast majority of the female voices in Indie music I listen to. It's just a little clipped and muddy. - Baritones in the contemporary music sound a little muddy too. - High voices come through less muddily generally. - EQ improves the quality of voices overall.
This is consistent with the Westone 4, but exceeds the $100 Shure E3C lineage of IEMs.
The detachable cable will be handy and I'm glad this uses the contemporary MCMX standard.
The copy on Amazon indicates these are Knowles drivers (i.e. use the Knowles patents). I wonder who manufactures these.
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doctorpangloss
20 dB sounds like a HUGE boost in the last octave. But my Primo8's sure lack treble sparkle and extension compare dto UE900 or even the nice& affordable NuForce Massdrop EDC. That's why my initial impression ws a huge disappointment. But first impressione sometimes are - I hope some burn-in helps.
hiilari
I’m pretty confident about the lack of treble, both based on the real measurements and listening. Maybe it’s improved on better amplified sources. I listen on the iPhone X’s lightning adapted connection with Spotify extreme codec.
Regarding comparisons to other headphones I’m most familiar with the Westone 4 and it’s a little less flat sounding. It also costs a lot more. A $30 pair of Sony amplified headphones sound better than both. It’s not a really fair comparison, if you want to use over ear headphones they will almost all sound better than the Primo8 or indeed any IEM.
Can i listen this iems with balanced 2.5mm by onkyo dp-x1a?
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Its good iems to onkyo dp-x1a for this money or may be looks to another way?
e1win
I am biased so better that I don't comment.