Onkyo TX-NR646 Receiver Discussions | Drop

Mar 13, 2016

This drop should be for the international voltage version - 120/240VAC Many of us in 220/240VAC countries would like to participate

Mar 13, 2016

Mar 14, 2016

YachadMWell they're based in the US so most of their products are for local consumers.

Mar 14, 2016

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Mar 14, 2016

vongThat's a cop-out.
Onkyo-Pioneer (now combined) is based in Japan, manufactured in Malaysia, and they always offer a minimum of 3 (and sometimes 4) variations on all their models: 1. 100VAC for Domestic Japan 2. 110-120VAC for North America 3. 230/240 for Eu/Aus 4. 110/240 for worldwide
Always have, and still do.
So with Massdrop's buying power and the global economy, it's no big deal to source a couple of hundred 110/240VAC models from outside the US.
Can do. Just DO it.

Mar 14, 2016

Mar 14, 2016

YachadMIt depends on where they're getting the products. Could be straight from the manufacturer or a local supplier.
Massdrop doesn't have that much power, if they did then you'll be seeing more drops and better prices. You make it sound easy to source all different kinds of products and variants. Massdrop are the middle men, they're not retailers.

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Mar 14, 2016

vongAnd a retailer isn't a middle-man?

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Mar 14, 2016

YachadMI wouldn't say they are since they're getting products directly from the manufacturer at an already dicounted price.

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Mar 14, 2016

vongWell, looks like I went to a different business school than you did, and one of our business schools told us lies about the relationship between a middleman and a retailer, both of whom buy from the manufacturer at a discounted price.

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Mar 14, 2016

YachadMThis is all I know: Manufacturer > Supplier > Retailer A retailer must have stock imo, Massdrop orders the exact amount needed and they don't fully handle warranties like regular retailers do.
Anywho goodluck with getting them to do international models and shipping. Might not be even be that great of a deal once shipping is factored.

Mar 14, 2016

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Mar 14, 2016

vongAsk Crutchfield which "supplier" they buy from? Ask BestBuy which "supplier" they buy from? Ask Walmart which "supplier" they buy from?
They'll look at you cross-eyed, and ask you what do mean by a "supplier". They'll answer - we buy from the manufacturer.
Is Crutchfield a retailer? Is BestBuy a retailer? Is Walmart a retailer? Is a retailer not a buy-sell enterprise, located between the manufacturer (or the manufacturer's agent) and the end-consumer?
Well, then, Is not MassDrop a "retailer"?
I don't know about you, but when was the last the last time you walked into a WalMart with your defective LG TV, and got to talk to the in-store technician, who told you "I'll start on your TV this afternoon, and you can pick it up tomorrow"?
Yeah, I thought so.
Retailers do NOT handle warranties AT ALL. All service is forwarded to the manufacturer's authorized service centers, which are completely unrelated to the retailer. And Massdrop works EXACTLY the same way.
So, any way we look at it, it appears that Massdrop IS a retailer, who buys sometimes directly from the manufacturer, and sometimes from the manufacturer's agent.
Massdrop's retailing model is slightly different (and smarter) - Massdrop doesn't hold stock, or maintain a brick storefront (neither do many webstores). Does that make Massdrop (or those webstores) any less of a retailer, than a "regular" retailer? I don't think so. In my eyes, it makes them more than a "regular" retailer - smarter, more flexible, and much more able to respond to customers' concerns.
OK, that's it - this horse has been whipped from every which way.
Go Massdrop.

Mar 14, 2016

Mar 14, 2016

YachadMNo need to get aggro mate, geez.
Look man if I got a faulty product you know what I do? I go back to the place I got it from with the reciept, they check it out and if they deem it faulty then I either get a new one or get a refund. If I buy something online and it's faulty then I contact the seller/retailer, send it back, they check it out and if they deem it faulty then they send me another one or I can get a refund.
I just went through an ordeal like this with Dynaudio. Dynaudio are a Danish country and I'm Australian so that means I need a supplier right? That supplier happens to be Mobile Audio Solutions and they supply all the Dynaudio gear to the other audio places that need them. There's a main supplier/distributor in every country for international companies.

Mar 14, 2016

Mar 14, 2016

vongRight.
And does not Massdrop handle defective items the same way?
Aggro? Didn't see anyone aggro.

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Mar 14, 2016

YachadMYou just said "Retailers do NOT handle warranties AT ALL. All service is forwarded to the manufacturer's authorized service centers, which are completely unrelated to the retailer. And Massdrop works EXACTLY the same way."
Like I said, if I walk in then I can walk right back out with a new product and if I send it back then I can get a new one within a week. That's how authorised retailers handle the warranty. The faulty product will get fixed (if fixable) then be sold as a refurb.
Mate, the amount of information you posted you tried to get across was indeed aggro. I tried to end this conversation 2 posts ago now but it looked like I struct a nerve, so I would appreciate it if you stopped replying and spamming my inbox. Like I said, goodluck with getting them to do international variants.

Mar 14, 2016