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shackledtodesk
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Nov 27, 2017
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Seems far too similar to an old Swatch Irony. Which was a great watch at $150.
https://www.ebay.com/p/Swatch-Irony-Body-and-Soul-Automatic-Steel-Watch-37mm-YAS100G/6003303885?iid=122309282095
snickerpuss
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Nov 30, 2017
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shackledtodeskYou can't compare a Swatch to an Oris other than looks. I have been wearing my Artelier pointer date every day and night (I rarely take it off for more than an hour) for 12 years now. Still running great, and not a scratch on the crystal.
shackledtodesk
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Nov 30, 2017
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snickerpussI would say there's plenty to compare between the Swatch and the Oris since the Oris is using an Sellita-based movement. The SW-200 is just a replication of the ETA2824 which is the same movement of the old Irony (not to be confused with sistem-51). Both use a sapphire crystal front, but plastic back, stainless steel case and strap. The physical dimensions are also the same (40mm dia., 11mm thickness, etc). Example I own has been running fine since 2000, so it's not going to be a matter of "quality" either. So other than some embellishments on the final movement and superficial differences on the case, I don't see a difference. Certainly, not an $850 one.
snickerpuss
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Nov 30, 2017
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shackledtodeskYou've stated that the Swatch has a plastic back. You've got to cut costs to manufacture a watch for $150. It's all about the manufacturing quality. Find an Oris and hod it in your hand. It is a very well made timepiece. I can tell by the images that the Swatch is cheaply made. Not that that is a bad thing, or will make it any less of a useful timepiece. But this is a piece if jewelry and Beauty and construction do matter. The Swatch is also very ugly with the gawdy logos. I'm also not a fan of that flat case design. I do think A lot of Oris watches should come in at a bit lower price, but $1000 is a good deal on the skeleton version. I'm not a huge fan of this skeletonized version, I would prefer some of their other models, but I'd still take it over the Swatch any day of the week.
shackledtodesk
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Nov 30, 2017
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snickerpussIgnoring the price increase because of brand name. I can tell by the images that the images are of greatly different quality. Having physical experience with both watches, I can say exterior appearances of build quality are damned near similar. The Swatch actually has a more finely adjustable bracelet. But that seems pretty typical of high-end watches. Better to tell the quality of manufacture when you tear down the watch for servicing, but like cars, most people don't do their own maintenance.
Retail pricing of $20 for a replacement sapphire crystal vs $10 plastic still does not justify a cost difference. Cost difference in the slightly more complicated casing of the Oris isn't going to raise the price much either. They are both solid (if you can't stand holding the Swatch, their masses and water resistance levels are the same). If it's a question of build quality (because, again, near no difference in materials), I have no argument, because I have no data suggesting the Oris is superior or inferior in this regard. Cost is in no way a determination of quality manufacture.
The level of polish and filigree additions are truly the only manufacturing differences between these watches.
As for whether the Swatch is ugly and gawdy. That's a matter of opinion. The black lettered logo with Swiss Made on the Oris appear cheap to me. I find the watch to be extraordinarily plain to the point of being dull. Now if you wanted to call something gawdy, ugly, and loud, I'd go for this overpriced gem: http://www.thewatchlab.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/ER.jpg
In my mind, if Oris spent far more time with detailing, polish, and embellishments, then maybe this price would be reasonable. Alternately, if they were an actual manufacturer of the movement, that would raise its value in my eyes. But having done what appears to be the bare minimum the throw a common 3rd party movement into a plain stainless steel case and putting their name on it, makes this a big pass.
Retail pricing of $20 for a replacement sapphire crystal vs $10 plastic still does not justify a cost difference. Cost difference in the slightly more complicated casing of the Oris isn't going to raise the price much either. They are both solid (if you can't stand holding the Swatch, their masses and water resistance levels are the same). If it's a question of build quality (because, again, near no difference in materials), I have no argument, because I have no data suggesting the Oris is superior or inferior in this regard. Cost is in no way a determination of quality manufacture.
The level of polish and filigree additions are truly the only manufacturing differences between these watches.
As for whether the Swatch is ugly and gawdy. That's a matter of opinion. The black lettered logo with Swiss Made on the Oris appear cheap to me. I find the watch to be extraordinarily plain to the point of being dull. Now if you wanted to call something gawdy, ugly, and loud, I'd go for this overpriced gem: http://www.thewatchlab.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/ER.jpg
In my mind, if Oris spent far more time with detailing, polish, and embellishments, then maybe this price would be reasonable. Alternately, if they were an actual manufacturer of the movement, that would raise its value in my eyes. But having done what appears to be the bare minimum the throw a common 3rd party movement into a plain stainless steel case and putting their name on it, makes this a big pass.
snickerpuss
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Dec 1, 2017
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shackledtodeskYou don't like it, you don't like it. We all put value in different things. As for Rolex, I don't like them, haven't seen one that I like. So, instead of having a simple classy logo, you go ahead and pronounce to the world 6 times that you're wearing a swatch. If that's what you thing, go ahead and like it.
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