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EverestMagnus
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Mar 26, 2015
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So lets just post the Massdrop sponsored Video by the Tolarian Community College Professor:

TL;DW: Paint comes off in contact with light water and leather becomes worn quickly. Professors product grade D.
Mar 26, 2015
PandoricGaming
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Mar 26, 2015
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EverestMagnusHey there! Pandoric gaming here. We love that Tolarian Community College did this review for us! It gives us a chance to see where we have failed in letting our customers know what these boxes do!
Yes these boxes are made of leather and leather is not supposed to be exposed to water. It just isn’t in its design specs. To us that was something we thought was common knowledge and we were obviously wrong about it. These boxes are also meant to house sleeved cards so a spilled glass should be just fine in protecting your cards.
Also we failed to show that the cards are meant to be side loaded and not front facing. This makes the concerns about the joints a moot issue. Once again our bad for not expressing that more plainly in our descriptions.
Our boxes are dyed and not painted like the video suggests as well. All leather that is a color other than flesh toned is dyed, this is just the nature of the beast. (there are leather paints available but I would not suggest using them due to cracking and flaking)
All of this to be said out of all the boxes we have sold until this moment we have never gotten negative feedback and our customers have been extremely happy! We recognize that a leather deck box is not for everyone but for those that do we still feel that we are the best on the market! Thanks for checking us out!
Here is also a bit of a response to the review:
Mar 26, 2015
yukon5
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Mar 26, 2015
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PandoricGamingI have a lot of respect for you, making a reasonable rebuttal. It is tough to see a product you make get a negative review. Based on what the Professor said will you seek to improve the design of your deck boxes? Should you find a way to remedy some of the cons he listed I would definitely put major thought into getting a box.
Mar 26, 2015
snap_shot
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Mar 26, 2015
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PandoricGamingIt's not obvious and kind of silly to expect people to know the way the cards are "meant to be" loaded into the box. It's a box, you should be able to put your cards in either way and not have to worry about it.
As for the color bleeding, is it going to come of on my sweaty hands and mark my sleeves?
Will you pay for my sleeves when they are stained and ruined?
Mar 26, 2015
Duffy
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Mar 26, 2015
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snap_shot(CEO here)I don't know if we ever said we thought it was obvious which way the cards should be loaded. In fact I think we tried to communicate that we were sorry that we didn't clarify it. I once again am sorry that was not communicated clearly enough.
As for color bleeding we have never had a complaint with the many boxes we have sold until now. I cannot speak for how much moisture is on your hands in particular but I would imagine it would be fine. Thanks for taking the time to respond!
Mar 26, 2015
snap_shot
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Mar 26, 2015
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DuffyYou're missing my point. It's a deck box. The fact that there is a "bad" way to put your deck in it is a major design flaw. I hope you are looking to start from scratch if you plan on doing a v2.
You know about the dye issue, enough with the BS. Saying you haven't received any complaints before is a moot point, because we all saw how easy the dye comes off and it's only a matter of time before someones prized deck gets ruined. How many lawsuits surrounding ruined vintage decks will bankrupt your company? One? Two?
Maybe do some QC and send a prototype over to someone that knows a lot about this kind of stuff, like the Tolarian Community College guy, before embarrassing yourself online.
Mar 26, 2015
Willocalpyse
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Mar 27, 2015
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snap_shotWhy are you being so aggressive? He responded to you in a very respectful manner and you start raging at him. Acting like a child is definitely not the best way to get your point across. And lawsuits surrounding vintage decks? Really? You think normal wear and tear is going to ruin the decks? Anything other than that I think would be under liability of the owner.
Mar 27, 2015
House
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Mar 27, 2015
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WillocalpyseBecause when leather gets tanned correctly with some treatments, water should brush right off them. Rage only undermines his manners, not his point.
Mar 27, 2015
Willocalpyse
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Mar 27, 2015
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HouseThere is no permanent treatment to keep leather water resistant that I know of. Everything I have ever used to treat my leather is only temporary and I have to reapply it every now and then. From what I saw in the video, I also don't think sweaty hands would cause the dye to come off. I mean, it did look like he gave it a bit of a vigorous drying. I personally would have just patted it down with a dry cloth to get the water off.
Mar 27, 2015
snap_shot
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Mar 27, 2015
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WillocalpyseWell, I don't like seeing companies take advantage of consumers, and I get annoyed by "artisan" manufacturers selling low quality products at high end prices.
Also, I think you might be projecting some of your own emotion onto my post. Tone is hard to get in writing, and I'm really not raging that hard about this. Some of my points were a bit extreme for dramatic effect, so I'll give you that.
Willocalypse, it's kind of odd that your very new account has come out of nowhere and done nothing but defend this product/company, I wonder if there's a connection there.....
Mar 27, 2015
Willocalpyse
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Mar 27, 2015
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snap_shotI understand on that part, I don't like when companies take advantage of consumers either. I just thought you were a bit extreme about the point you were trying to make, as you just said. I do understand that tone is difficult to see in writing, I just didn't think you should be so harsh on them.
And yes, I did just find this site only because of the TCC review and the link to it, I wanted to see how massdrop worked, I thought it was strictly a site for buying MTG supplies and cards. But yeah, I can see how it would seem suspicious. My honest opinion on the product was that I liked it but the only thing I wish were better was the leather connected to the latch coming apart from it.
Anyways, I admire your reasoning, it's always valiant to fight for the little guys, I just thought your reply to him was a bit over the top.
Mar 27, 2015
House
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Mar 27, 2015
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WillocalpyseYou should look into biker jackets and high-end leather bags. Obviously tossing those into the ocean and hoping the leather will sustain the water damage is improbable. Any high-end leather product can take a couple splashes of water and rain easily without losing paint or color. Take a normal pair of leather dress shoes for example, they'll retain most of their color after extensive weathering. Vigorous drying would be putting gargantuan amounts of rubbing alcohol on your jacket and then dumping that into a dryer (yes literally, I've done it) and not a tad of color has faded from mine. I like the novelty design but the tanning process does need improvement.
Mar 27, 2015
House
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Mar 27, 2015
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snap_shotLOL, I concur with your suspicion, but I replied anyway because arguing is fun. :P
Mar 27, 2015
Willocalpyse
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Mar 27, 2015
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HouseOh, nvm, I got stuck on a different topic somehow. I thought we were just taking about durability of leather vs water, but I see now you were taking about the treatment of the dye to seal it v into the leather. Which i agree about, lol.
And I assure you guys I am not affiliated with the company, I'm just a guy on deployment that just got into magic to pass the time.
Mar 27, 2015
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