Patriot Seeds Heirloom Seed Vault & Kits Discussions | Drop

Jan 1, 2018

Non-GMO＝lower germinating rate=less yield=low ability against disease and pest=less nutrition... why in the world would I torture myself in a survival situations with those?

Mar 29, 2018

RebuswindYou might want to check your facts...but to answer your question, heirloom seeds produce the same plant when they reseed. Many non-heirloom plants produce offspring that is phenotypically different from the plant that seeded it (sounds weird, but that's how genetics work sometimes). Not that it matters though, good luck planting a farm if the apocalypse happens.

Mar 29, 2018

Gary1I use to work in agriculture research center...trust me...I fully aware of how 'genetics works '. GMO is the name of all the methods that will genetically modify an organism..which can produce all the different types of things not have to be non-heirloom seed...what I mean by non-GMO is the wild plant specie that haven't been genetic modified by human, like wild rye or wild rice...if you ever tried to plan those...you would know how hard it is and how little they produce. all modern farm plants are GMO...all of them..the non-GMO shit are gowning in the wild... that is why I have problem with people who use GMO like it is some new thing...we have been genetic modified plants and animal since the day we start to have farm and ranch. there are new genetic modify method for sure, and some of them may or may not good for you...but non-GMO is non-sense...it may be not been modified by certain new method...then why don't you just say non-harmful?

Mar 29, 2018

RebuswindI'm a scientist. GMO means genetically modified organism. Selective breeding does not constitute a GMO, so no, we have not been planting GMO's since people started farming. Not all modern farm plants are GMO. Wheat, for example, is not a GMO (no GMO wheat has been approved in any country). I agree that not all GMO's are the same and some are dangerous and some are safe. There are plenty of non-GMO plants that don't have the problems you mentioned though, which is what I was trying to say. That, and heirloom plants have the advantage of being able to reseed themselves indefinitely, which not all GMO's can do. I'm not looking for an argument though. I'm sure whatever seeds you buy will be equally effective during the zombie-alien invasion...

Mar 29, 2018

Gary1you are a scientist? in which filed? I happen to be one as well, an biologist, and I use to do research specifically on agriculture...Now I am doing research on bio control for grassland and foothill in west Canada. please tell me in which paper you have read that selective breeding is not GMO? do you think you are not genetic modify that specie? what do you think selective breeding for? Please define genetic modified organism to me. what do you think GMO is?

Mar 29, 2018

RebuswindI already defined GMO for you, but I can do it again if it makes you happy: GMO=genetically modified organism (that's where the G, the M, and the O come from). A GMO is an organism whose DNA has been modified by modern techniques (aka gene splicing), and typically involves splicing genes from different species (such as splicing genes from Bacillus thuringiensis into corn to produce a protein that kills Lepidoptera larvae). If you were a scientist you would know that scientists don't write papers on the definitions of words, so I don't have that article for you.
Your grammar, syntax, and spelling are atrocious though, so I'm pretty sure you're a bot. Either way, I'm sorry I responded. I already said I'm not looking for an argument, and I made a mistake by ever posting in an online discussion, but as an actual scientist, it's really hard to not say anything when I see people spewing utter nonsense.

Mar 29, 2018

Gary1sorry English is not my first language, 我的中文语法和拼写都要比英语准确的多，可是我并不认为你能用我的母语和我交谈，所以我只好用你的母语和你交谈 I would love to use my first language but I highly doubt that you would understand fully, so I have to use your first language to talk to you. However, from my little English skill, I can not see GMO has to be modern techniques, it only means genetic modify with no limited on its methods. scientists don't write paper on definitions but we have to define all the terms when we write paper or report for the very reason that make us having problems right now. If the definitions are not the same, the whole topic will be off just like what we are doing right now. that is why I asked you in which paper you read the above definitions you gave to me. Also I would like to know your field of study since it will be relevant to the topic.

Mar 29, 2018

Gary1Also, you do realize that DNA is not gene, right? to change one organism's DNA is not the same with utter their gene...right? please tell me you just misspoken...as a scientist,,you really should not give some wrong basic info of gene. you do know all genes are the same from all living things which have gene,right? the DNA code inside is vary but there are all built from the same material...right? there is no practical differences between a 'cut and paste in gene' and a new gene from natural mutation...so I fail to see the differences between so called 'modern techniques' and natural causes beside time cost and fail rate....

Mar 29, 2018

RebuswindThe problem is the language barrier then. In English speaking countries, GMO is a very specific term, not something that can be translated with a dictionary (you would need an encyclopedia). In the USA for example, it is 100% legal to call a plant that was produced by selective breeding a "non-GMO" product. As for my field, I currently work in mechanical engineering but have a background in biological engineering. What field I work in isn't relevant though--everything I've said so far is taught in high schools all across North America.

Mar 29, 2018

RebuswindI did not misspeak, you missread. You are incredibly condescending and offensive by the way. Please stop talking to me.

Mar 29, 2018

Gary1first, I am sorry if I sound condescending did not mean to hurt your feelings, and I am more sorry that you care about my talking style more than the topic itself. second, GMO is not a scientific term from the beginning, that is why I asked you to define it first, words has no fixed meaning until people who using it give it a common definition in a conversation. the reason I asked your field is because I saw you have some fundamentally misunderstand on gene...changing DNA is not the same with modify gene and you said you did not misspoken...that make me concern even more... only DNA or RNA that coded to have function(s) will be called gene...yup, there are RNA as gene as well...I am quite sure you would learn that in high school yet you did not clear that up...mechanical engineering is science..but I would not call engineers ‘scientists’ , even though I respect engineers a lot...just like I would not call pilots 'astronauts'...not there is one better than the other, just different...like DNA and gene...may be that is language barrier as well...we call different thing by different names in our language...am I being condescending again? if so, I am sorry, I wish I can care about some stranger's feeling more than I do now...I will try to be more sensitive just like you.

darkstar71

Apr 1, 2018

Gary1just want to say thank you for spelling correctly

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SteveDrop

Jun 21, 2018

RebuswindThere's only a handful of GMO seeds dummy, and Corn is the only one you likely would get from a seed packet. You're probably thinking of Hybrid plants, which do produce more Fruit, but will not produce the same plant the following year.
Please read up on the subject before commenting!

Jun 21, 2018

SteveDropyoI do realize there are more than one way to do GMO, right? What do you think GMO is? please read what I said in previous comment before replying.

SteveDrop

Jun 22, 2018

RebuswindYou are using the acronym GMO *incorrectly* if you think that applies to Hybrid seeds. Please read the Wikipedia on Genetically Modified Crops.