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GirDrops
23
Mar 27, 2018
Anyone who has this machine care to comment on how often you use it/worth the money over conventional brew system (I have a setup that cost quite a bit, why retire it for this?).
It seems like an awesome idea, Pico, but would this be marketed for people who are just starting brewing vs someone who has an established setup and method for brewing?
Can you make your own Pico Packs or, rather, can you add ingredients to the packs? Obviously some recipes you guys won't have.
Is it possible to make meade, cider, or wine with your machine? I am very aware the process to make these is not the same, but given the ingredients, can your machine produce them?
zmartene
7
Mar 27, 2018
GirDropsI picked up what is basically this package on sale last Christmas, when I (my wife) decided my 800 sq ft apartment was too small to store all my 5-gallon all-grain equipment (and fermenters, and kegs, and barrels, and......), hoping downsizing to 5 liters would be an effective way to stay brewing. In the 15 months I've had it, I've put 6 batches through it and have been less than impressed - one batch wasn't even drinkable. I was brewing at least a batch a month, and after downsizing to this I'm barely brewing at all. I was hoping to be able to at least develop some recipes I could step up to 5 gallon batches, but the Freestyle PicoPaks have limited ingredients to choose from when designing recipes, and there is no control over mash schedule, water profile, etc. I spent quite some time exchanging emails with someone at PicoBrew, who was very helpful but indicated that while there were plans to add a wider range of grain, hops, and yeast, the timeline was either 1) undecided, 2) a trade secret, or 3) above his pay grade. It really seems more like a very superficial intro to brewing, aimed for a beginner with a vague interest in beer, or someone who wants the novelty of drinking something they brewed. When I describe it to people, the best description I've found is The Keurig of Beer - and I mean that in no offensive way whatsoever. No wine, mead, or cider, but it can make kombucha, I believe. And it does work as a fantastic sous vide cooker if you don't already have one. I'm looking forward to their next generation machine shipping out this Summer.
TLDR: Great for beginner or someone wanting a set-and-forget 5L brew process, especially at this price. If you're actually a brewer, you're likely to be disappointed - you probably want to save up, drop the extra cash, and get Zymatic, or wait for the Pico Z this summer.
zmarteneReally appreciate you sharing your experience with our machines. Agreed: for many experienced brewers, the Pico line doesn't offer quite enough flexibility to meet needs around customization and creativity. I think it is fair to say that the Pico machines are more geared toward craft beer enthusiasts with little or even no prior brewing experience. But in that way, it can be a great intro to brewing as you pointed out.
FWIW, I have spoken to a number of more experienced brewers who have had different experiences from what you shared. Many of them were brewing fairly regularly as you mentioned you were doing before, but then maybe had kids or just didn't have the same time and flexibility as before. For them, the Pico was a great alternative because even though it wasn't as robust or flexible of a system as what they were used to, it was still a way to brew with much less equipment and time demands (many also mentioned not having open pots of boiling mash with kids running around!). So for them, this was a nice way to still brew in spite of a more hectic schedule.
In my mind, both experiences are totally valid. I think it just depends on the user's brewing experience and what level of flexibility they need/want. Thanks again for sharing!
GirDrops@zmartene answered a number of your questions, and I think my response to that comment covered a few more, but just wanted to follow up to make sure we covered them all.
- Can't add ingredients to the paks since they are pre-packaged and sealed up, but you can digitally produce your own recipes with our online recipe crafter. You're welcome to check it out in advance: https://picobrew.com/BrewCrafter/index.cshtml (not sure if you'll need to create an account first or not, but it's pretty straightforward if so)
- No meade, cider, or wine capabilities as of yet, but as mentioned, kombucha picopaks exist, and we've also got our very exciting PicoStill launching this year (https://picobrew.com/Store/products/picostill.cshtml). With PicoStill, you can use beer, wine, or other washes to produce craft spirits! We always say that you'll need to check the required licenses and permits for your area since distilling is regulated, but this is a great way to get more craft beverages from your Pico. PicoStill requires a Pico machine to work (yes, it will work with the Pico Classic featured here on MassDrop), and the good news is we're still in pre-order phase with the PicoStill so it's being offered at $100 off.
- Finally, I do think it's worth mentioning that while we don't have every ingredient under the sun, we do have a great many recipes to choose from. Currently we have over 120 PicoPaks available on our site, and the cool thing is that these are not generic craft beer recipes, but rather actual craft beers from breweries around the world. You can poke around and maybe find some you already know you enjoy! https://picobrew.com/BrewMarketplace/Index.cshtml
Let us know any other questions you have, and thanks!
GirDrops
23
Mar 28, 2018
PicoAldanPico Staff, thank you for the detailed responses to both @zmartene and myself. It's truly an awesome experience to hear back from the company on their thoughts, ideas, and suggestions. Keep it up!
I might take a closer look at the distiller product you're offering. If it does require the Pico base, I might invest in one for a friend or colleague who doesn't have the same resources that I do, then bum off of theirs for distilling (I smell some strong schnapps in the possible future).
Thanks for this!
Edit: I'd also like to add that the PicoPak maker is available without signing in, and it is a very user-friendly tool with a fairly nice selection of grains, hops, yeasts, and additions. If I did have one of these machines, I would have no qualms about creating and purchasing packs using this option. Nailed it on this, for sure.
GirDropsThanks for the feedback! Really glad it's useful. Also like your idea for the Pico "loaner." =)
Appreciate the feedback on the recipe crafter! Glad we're hitting the mark there.