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Pro-Ject Debut Carbon DC Ortofon OM10 Cartridge

Pro-Ject Debut Carbon DC Ortofon OM10 Cartridge

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Obviously this is no Technics 1200 in terms of overall build quality, but it it sounds amazing and has great isolation from rumbles for a home listener.
cpsfca
It definitely sounds better than Technics 1200.
Hi, just realize the counter weight is missing, where I can get/buy it?
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You made it happen! We’re excited to let you all know that the drop was successful and the order has now been placed with the vendor for the Pro-Ject Debut Carbon DC Ortofon OM10 Cartridge. As soon as they are done preparing the shipment and once we receive it at our warehouse in New Jersey we will break it down into individual orders and have them on their way to each of you! We currently expect your orders to leave our warehouse by 7/1.
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I've seen this turntable for $349 with free shipping and the 2M cartridge. What is different about this one that makes it $429 MSRP?
classicradios
The difference is DC version
Flame113
oh..thanks I get it now.
A hundred bucks shipping just kills this deal for me.
I'm wondering if this turntable will fit in my carry luggage since I'll need to bring it back to my country. Can anyone give me an advice?
Seriously, Rega RP1 over this. I have had both.
asrquinn
Seriously? No way that wobbly, fluttery RP1 is better than Debut Carbon. No way.
Why the ending time increased twice? And NO notice?
choral
Yes. I am seeing the same thing. This is getting weird.
I've got an old Pro-Ject 6 which I bought 2nd-hand. The setup's pretty much the same as this just that the platter is on a suspension thingy. It's got a background hum which I suspect is from the motor, and I need to fiddle around with the RCA wires on my preamp sometimes to get rid of a nasty feedback sound as well. Overall, when a record plays, the hum either disappears or gets drowned out by the music. My only gripe is that it's a hassle to lift up the platter to change the belt from 33rpm to 45rpm and back, which I think is the same method to do on this model. I'd have preferred it if there were a switch to change the speed. The option Pro-Ject gives is to purchase a speed box, which here in Singapore costs over $200. Just to change speeds. Sigh.
ps3udo
For what it's worth, the Speed Box would probably also eliminate your motor hum. I kinda doubt that's going to be enough extra value to make it worth the $200 to you, but hey, I thought I'd mention it just in case.
Zwory
Oh, would it? I was actually contemplating getting another pre-amp thinking that it could have been cos of that. Besides that motor hum lingering in the background, sometimes I get a loud crazy-ass drone sound like what happens when you plug a guitar jack into an amp.
Wait... Did they just increase the time? Because it was supposed to end already?
Just upgraded to this bad boy - amazing table for the price! Noticeable difference from my entry level Sony.
This turntable is still, IMO, the best value buy you can get, even at full retail. With a good quality integrated amp and good speakers, you can't go wrong. The OM10 cartridge seals the deal...it's wonderful.
Here's my Pro-Ject Debut Carbon setup:
110V is USA right?? Hope I didn't mess up.
JLAudio
Correct.
Headphoneguy96
thank you for your response. I'm just getting into vinyls and from I heard this is a great place to start.
Heyo,
Good news everyone. So I relayed to our vendor the concern that the 100 unit drop point might be acting as a barrier to entry to members and suggested lower quantities. They agreed and came through with a new lowest drop point of 30 units.
Now, the final drop point is just a stone's throw away, so I'm looking forward to seeing how the drop does!
If anyone is on the fence about this because of the cartridge, just know that the OM10 and the 2M Red are very similar cartridges. They are both the lower end models of each series.
That being said, 2M Red is the current model on these tables.
These are the DC models, unlike the Debut Carbons in the last drop and they're great tables. If the OM10 doesn't sound good, at $349.99 you are still getting a deal and have the option to upgrade the cartridge over time.
I personally am hoping they can get us a better price and the current cartridge personally. My guess is these are back stock tables or Pro-Ject had OM10 cartridges back stocked and are trying to move them. If this was about $25.00 cheaper at the best price, I would definitely jump on it.
Music Direct has the Pro-Ject Debut Carbon with 2m Red here for $349, however it is not the DC model with the upgrade internals so you have the possibility of some hum issues with the non-DC version: http://www.musicdirect.com/p-75872-pro-ject-debut-carbon-turntable.aspx
The acrylic platters are $129. But I don't know if they'll work on the new DC version. They make mention of a bigger steel platter, and that could mean the pulley that the steel platter sits on is different, thus making the original acrylic platter incompatible. Just throwing that out as a possibility.
R56S
The acrylic platter (which could be labeled as a Pro-Ject or a Music Hall--all the same thing) is definitely compatible with the Carbon DC.
yup, I'm looking at muscians friend instead.
Wow...this thing isn't selling at all given the lesser OM10 cartridge. Maybe they'll take the hint and bring back the 2M Red.
Good post on ditching the felt mat and steel platter. How much is the acrylic platter upgrade?
I have two Debut Carbons on different setups in different rooms. They're the original (non-DC) versions. Until seeing this drop's discussions, I had no idea people were having hum issues with them. I've personally never had any hum issues, or any other problems with them. From what I've found on various forums, the hum issue is relatively easy to fix.
Anyway, all that to say, Music Direct has the original Debut Carbon with the Ortofon 2M Red cartridge for $349. Free FedEx shipping and no sales tax. I'd also highly recommend the acrylic platter and ditching the felt mat and steel platter.
Was the last drop the same price with a 2M cart? Man... I'm sorry I missed that.
blah.blah
Wasn't for the DC version though
Wish it had the 2M Red cartridge, like the previous one.
vshanka
As far as I know, the 2M and OM10 are pretty much the exact same quality-wise.
should`ve gone for the esprit sb dc model
It looks like this cartridge is less than the 2M Red on the prior drop's table. That's too bad as I voted to bring this back. Argh!
Interesting, but I am not going to join due to the cartridge.
niten
which cartridge would seal the deal for you?
For those with a preference for auto or semi-auto functions there is an option for you by getting a Q UP Automatic Tonearm Lifter or similar. These are somewhat expensive based on the materials used but are a great add on for a table like this. They are usually on ebay for $60 (ouch). I use one on my Clearaudio Concept TT and it works perfectly. There is enough clearance on these tables for it to work as well.
I've had a Project table before but just couldn't get over the ant-skate weight which just makes the setup look so chintzy. That's just personal preference. The OM10 cartridge is supposedly the predecessor of the Red and should be a good match for this table from what I have read. The felt mat on mine created some crazy static, so be aware of that, unless it's changed.
I agree with fearlessraccoon regarding going vintage BUT if you want the modern design in entry level like this, I would suggest the Rega RP1 (in titanium is very cool). That's just my personal recommendation and probably that of most people who can actually compare the two.
The description should instead explain that the motor on the predecessor model had a huge design flaw that caused the DC motor's noise to show up as hum (at 60Hz plus echos a little above that). This hum could be mitigated by installing some washers and tightening/loosening some bolts, but it could not be eliminated, unless you also buy a Pro-Ject Speed Box or similar device. In other words, you are not getting 'better' sound out of this redesigned Debut Carbon, but the sound the original should have had in the first place. That Pro-Ject is not forthright about this in its description is extremely dishonest and should raise questions about whether they deserve your money. This is something I personally struggled with and not simply something I read somewhere on the interwebs, and I want to make sure the community is aware of it.
I got a DC version from the last drop...I guess I was a lucky one
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Unless they just willy nilly put turntables in boxes(which is possible i suppose) on the packaging, there is a a big label and it says AC or DC on it
It'll say "DC" on the box
Why would you put out the updated version then downgrade the cartridge? Why not just leave the good cartridge these normally come with?
I'm holding out for the auto Denon DP-300F :) I'm on a vintage Onkyo auto and can't imagine going back to a manual one :p