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juliengroulx
26
Jan 10, 2018
I know some stones are made to be used as waterstones but can be used with oil, could this be used with water?
Dermott
267
Jul 16, 2018
juliengroulxArkansas stones are traditionally used with oil. They can also be used with no lubricant at all (saying that may spark a holy war). The thicker the oil used, the slower they seem to cut, anecdotally. I've never used them with water, but since they work fine with no lubricant, I can't see why it would be a problem.
Any particular reason you want to use them with water, though? Any light mineral oil is sufficient, and cheap.
Morrowind542
127
Jul 18, 2018
DermottMineral oil isn't always available on the go. Water is pretty much universally available so you don't have to carry it with you.
Dermott
267
Jul 18, 2018
Morrowind542Given that situation, I'd sharpen directly on the stone with no lubricant, and scrub the stone off when convenient. Isn't going to ruin an Arkansas stone. I've used a pocket stone like this for many years, since carrying a bottle of oil in my camping kit is... impractical.
Hatuletoh
850
Jul 19, 2018
juliengroulxI have an unlabeled AK stone that I take to be medium grit, and I used oil once--what a pain in the ass. Perhaps if you were really working hard on a dull blade oil would be necessary, but I have enough knives and decent enough sharpening skills that I rarely use a knife until it's that dull. Indeed, I rarely need the medium AK stone: a Fine DMT will do the same job in only slightly longer, w/o oil or even water, and I think it's easier to control the blade on them vs natural stones.
I also have a small surgical black stone that I like quite a bit; I don't want to make this even longer, so I'll just summarily say i think it's better for putting a finish on some blades sometimes, and I use it instead of the diamond stones with some smaller blades. That stone DEFINITELY doesnt need oil; occasionally Ill use water but not often. Its smooth and hard enough that the steel glides right along it, and the stone naturally has just the tiniest bite, which makes a satisfying sound when the angle and pressure are correct, which is helpful and only occurs when the stone is dry.
So that's a long, long way of saying: I think you can use water, but you dont have to. The stones work fine dry if you use a light touch and proper angle (and if not, miracle oil from the knife fairy wont help you). However, I know there are potential benefits to having a wet stone (a wet whet stone?) as far as cutting action, and also some people just prefer it. And that makes sense. What doesnt to me is why oil is necessary, and I wonder if it's an atavistic hold-over from days when blades weren't stainless steel, so using oil vs water was a wise precaution.
Any greasers out there who can explain why oil is necessary, beyond preference for how the stone/blade feel with it? Which is fine, but subjective. Any objective reason? Better for the stone?
Puiu1
1
Aug 14, 2018
juliengroulxI ONLY use my Arkansas stones with water. So to answer your question.. absolutely.
Morrowind542
127
Aug 16, 2018
HatuletohI always use oil on my stones, for a couple reasons.
1. The primary reason is that you need some kind of lubricant on Arkansas stones. If you don't use anything, the metal shavings get ground into the stone and it won't cut after a while. Lubricant doesn't completely prevent this, but it cuts down on it by a great deal. You can fix this by scrubbing or boiling the stones, but I'd rather avoid it in the first place.
2. Oil is fairly viscose; it stays on the stone without evaporating. Water works, but it's not ideal. Water is not a very viscose fluid, and it won't stay on the stone like oil will.
3. More subjectively, I like how it feels using oil vs dry or with water. It gives it a much smoother feel with better feedback imo