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Onionman
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The other Rike knife selling now on Massdrop is $199, same materials, CF inlay and titanium and M390 blade. No reason this knife should sell for anywhere close to $419, maybe a little more than $200, but definitely not at this price. It just doesn't cost that much to make, and Rike has proven this with their other listing. These also have limited resale value, so I just don't see the value here at this price.
Aug 27, 2018
greyworlder
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OnionmanThere's more that goes into determining the relative costs than "It has the same materials." These two knives have the same blade steel and handle material, yes. But they have them in different quantities and shapes. The 803CH is beautiful, and a killer deal in my opinion, but it is also a very basic design comparatively. The fact that this is an integral handle rather than two slabs adds to the production time and cost. So does the fact that it has 3 cutouts with CF inlays instead of 1, along with all the other machining and shaping work on both the blade and handle. There is also quite a bit more of the base materials here, as it is more than 2 ounces heavier.
Overall, this is a different class of knife in terms of craftmanship and the detail work present in the final product. Those things obviously don't make it more valuable to somebody that doesn't like it and want it, but it does make it more difficult and costly to produce. In principle I agree with you. If it were just a question of "a knife is a knife" then the other knife would serve just as well at half the cost, and almost certainly cut better given the more standard blade shape/grind. But that is never the only consideration with things like this. If it were we'd all spend probably 100 total dollars or less on a folding EDC knife plus a fixed blade for heavy duty work. Also consider that the Thor series of knives are part of Rike's midtech line. Many companies produce 400-600 dollar midtechs, and several companies go much higher. This is a pretty low-end midtech price.
On a different note, listing limited resale value as a reason the knife isn't worth buying is a bit unreasonable. Even some of the higher-end ones are that way. Many limited-production knives, midtechs and customs do increase in value over time, or are at least are stable, but even with those there's no guarantee. That doesn't mean we shouldn't buy them if we like them. I won't buy this one because I despise the blade shape, but I'd pay this much for some of the other Thor models in a heartbeat.
Aug 27, 2018
Onionman
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greyworlderI understand your reasoning as integral is more costly, but I don't think that alone adds up to a $419 price tag. What I don't agree with is you calling it a mid tech. This is not a midtech and is not advertised anywhere as a midtech. Even Massdrop does not call it a mid tech because it is not. Midtechs made by known knifemakers do have more value as part of the process is handmade, but nowhere is there any knifemaker listed and no part of this knife is handmade. Moreover, if Benchmade and Spyderco can make integrals that cost less than this (and Benchmade is made in the USA), there is no excuse for this knife costing what it does.
Aug 27, 2018
greyworlder
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OnionmanMany midtechs I've seen from several companies have no handmade or finished components, or at least don't advertise it. Shirogorov's production knives come to mind, and they range up over $1000. Most companies use midtech as a marketing term for the tier of quality that falls between typical mass production knives and their custom offerings, not as a definite indication of the manufacturing process. There are even several custom knife makers I've seen that almost exclusively use machines to create and finish their blades, with little or no actual hand work.
Additionally, Spyderco and Benchmade don't make integrals any cheaper than this drop that I can see. The Anthem is basically the same cost, about 425 where you can get it, and is much less complex in its design. Very classic, simple blade shape and grind, with a chevron milled handle/clip. Nice, but not as intricate as what is done on the Thor 1. The new integral Rassenti Paysan from Spyderco is over $500, and is even simpler in design than the Anthem. Having handled an Anthem and a Nirvana (which is also over 400 dollars where still available), I'd buy a Rike over either of them. I would still like to try out a Paysan though - love the blade shape.
Aug 27, 2018
Onionman
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greyworlderMid tech is not a "marketing" term, it has a specific meaning to those in the knife making industry and to customers who buy those knives. I don't know if you know that but that's the truth, and any knowledgeable knife buyer knows the difference and would refuse to deal with a company that misrepresented that fact. And even if some misinformed people think it is only a marketing thing, the fact is that Rike does not advertise this as a mid tech and I give them a lot of credit for that, so it's a nonissue. I don't have any problem with their quality and it might be the best knife in the world, but the fact is that the company is just too new, has no brand loyalty, and thus has no real resale value. You will never be able to get what you paid for this knife back now, and will likely never get it back.
The problem I have with this and other high end Chinese made knives is the slow but steady attempt to get people to pay USA prices for Chinese made products, solely so the company can collect more money. The thing about picky knife buyers is that they know and understand quality and the price to be paid for that. The market does not bear this price for this knife, its as simple as that and that's because similar high end pieces from China just don't sell for as much. I have both the Nirvana and the Anthem, both have milled titanium and great fit and finish (which is just as hard whether it looks like the Anthem or Thor-1.) I didn't pay anywhere near $400 for either of them, but I could get $400 + for each now if I was down on my luck and needed cash, because they are collectable and made by reputable companies.
With that being said, I would love to buy this knife at $200 or even $250. It's a very nice looking knife and worth that amount if the fit and finish are as good as you say. Even if I don't like it for some reason at least I can break even and sell it. But to buy a knife that doesn't sell at auction on ebay for $300 based on pictures is a big risk to take, and its also overpaying, so I'll wait until it gets discontinued and in the closeout bin online and maybe take a flier on it then.
Aug 27, 2018
greyworlder
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OnionmanThere is only 1 used Rike Thor 1 available for sale on Ebay at less than 400 dollars. It's 395, no CF cutouts, so not the same knife you see in this drop, and there appears to be some pretty obvious (though minor) cosmetic damage. I don't see them being resold cheaper than that anywhere else I look either, but maybe you've got sources I don't. This exact model is going for $600 new in all instances I found, and I found an anodized titanium one without cutouts going for $490. I just don't see what you are seeing with regards to the market, but I've already admitted that area isn't my specialty as I never resell my knives.
On the midtech issue - I have bought several knives now that were referred to as midtechs, and have both ones with hand finished bits and ones without, as well as "machine finished, hand assembled" ones. I knew what I was getting in each case, so I'm satisfied with that. I have never seen any unanimously agreed-upon definition of what a midtech is, including when I searched just now. Different manufacturers and makers seem to say different things, but as long as they are open about how they define it, I don't have an issue. If I'm wrong about that then that's fine, because it doesn't really affect my main assertions about this knife, and I'm willing to retract the use of term. My meaning was that it is one of their more complex to produce and expensive line of knives that is priced between their lower-end production knives and the maker's customs, both of which are also lovely. Either way, from what I've seen this would inarguably be more difficult and costly to produce than the 803CH, Anthem, Nirvana, or Paysan. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but I feel like saying it's equally hard to do whether it looks like the Anthem or Thor 1 is not accurate. Again though, I could be wrong, so I'll just leave it at saying that is not in line with what I have experienced.
All that being said, I do still agree that it's not inherently more valuable as a knife only because of the design's complexity. I would personally much prefer this without the odd blade grind and such, and with a price drop to match. I understand the whole "made in US prices" thing as well, but so far as I've seen the products are just not comparable. Spyderco and Benchmade are literally my two favorite knife companies, and have been for years. But man, it's a night and day difference, even comparing knives at the same price point. Blades from Rike or especially Reate (even We, to a lesser extent) have exceeded them in quality and performance every time. It's disappointing every time I pick up a new Spyderco or Benchmade and it is not at the same level of quality. I do think Rike, Reate and the like have been on a good track toward making an excellent reputation for themselves for exactly that reason. Lastly, lucky you getting those knives at such a low cost. I wish I could have found an Anthem at around $325 - I would've bought one. But I never saw one below $400 new.
Aug 27, 2018
Charlesgpr
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greyworlderJust replying to tell you I admire how well you debate and think you have provided much value to the discussion. I will be buying one of these based on your excellent input.
Aug 28, 2018
greyworlder
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CharlesgprI appreciate that, and I do not think you will be disappointed, as I've had great experiences with them so far! I would also encourage you to look around and read/watch some reviews on the brand. Jim Skelton has a great review on his youtube channel of several (I think mostly $200-300) models, but the Thor 1 isn't among them. He does have some criticisms alongside much praise. And I do think they've improved in the couple of years since then. Regardless, more information is never a bad thing! And if you are going to buy one, then leave a review here on Massdrop once you get it so you can share your experience with others. That's how we all learn, after all.
Aug 28, 2018
Onionman
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greyworlderI got the Anthem from a dealer at a local gun show (no MAP pricing to worry about at a gun show) and have no intention to sell it. The fact that I got to handle it before buying made by purchase easier. I have handled several Rike, Reate, and We knives at gun and knife shows, and they are very nice and have excellent action and fit and finish. I bought my wife a Rike hummingbird and she loves it. Bestech, however, is really bad as I have a knife that looks beautiful but does not lock properly. For me, it is not about the knife, which could be worth every penny of the $420, it is the principle of the thing. I know that high end manufacturing in China pays $5 an hour for top dollar factory workers, like those who make the IPhone and other high end items. Most make a lot less. I know this knife has a wholesale cost of under $100, so to justify selling for $400 you either are paying royalties to a famous knifemaker or have the reputation and one off models that become collectors, and Rike has neither. I have $50 Kershaws or $100 Spydercos that can do everything this knife can do and a lot more. The reason I pay that extra is for the cool factor, and for it being collectable and holding value. It has no value at this price and is not collectable, but does have a high cool factor, but not enough to get me to buy it.
I get into this debate a lot, and you like everyone else who argues for these says exactly the same thing: the fit and finish is so much better than any Spyderco, Benchmade, etc. but never give any details. The Anthem I have had great balance, opens smoothly, no lock stick, perfectly centered blade and fits great in the pocket. The Nirvana has a smooth opening with no lock stick, and fits great in the pocket. Without doing scientific testing, or changing the blade shape or handle ergos, these knives are 100% , there is no such thing as better fit and finish and I would not even know what could be better unless you wanted to change the design or put a deep pocket clip on it. I have handled many high end customs and mid techs and quite frankly most have very smooth action, are well balanced, and the fit and finish are great, but do I think that their knives open so much smoother or close better or have some other feature that is so much better? No not really. I don't have OCD and don't use a micrometer or anything like that. Maybe you do and think that the .1 second less time it takes for deployment makes a difference, and if you think that the Rike knife does that then go for it. I am not talking anyone out of buying this knife, but just like when new flatscreen TVs came out or any new item, you are paying a premium for this knife now and it is very unlikely to be a collectible or hold its value. But if you like it and plan to use it just get it. That's cool.
Aug 28, 2018
greyworlder
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Onionman I completely respect your views about the objective values of knives like this, and about the overall difference in fit/finish and performance being a relatively small thing. I actually mostly agree with you I think. I don't use a micrometer, but I do notice a difference, and I do personally feel like in some cases it is worth paying for. I'm not trying to be defensive or aggressive or anything, so apologies if it's seemed so. A lot of it is just different values/opinions. I'm fine with that, and I was just trying to present my view on things. I'll give some more detailed information about my own experiences in the rest of this post if you are interested, but of course I am aware that my experience isn't some kind of absolute reference point. It's mostly QA issues I've specifically dealt with, along with some minor things that are based on my own taste/standards. Also, I'm disappointed to hear that about Bestech. I have my first (maybe last) one on the way, and I hope I'm lucky with it, because I really love the design... I've recently had a range of issues with Spyderco on some of their sort of mid-priced knives in the $150 to $250 range. Actions have been not great. Not unusable, but not perfectly tuned to work as well as Reate, Rike, and We have. On a much worse note, I've received a couple that had major defects, such warped handle scales. There is also one non-warped knife that, regardless of how you adjust the thing, still has the blade scrape against the side of the handle when closed. Not huge issues in isolation, but the 3rd or 4th time you see it on a new knife, it gets to you. Unfortunately there is no good knife store nearby, so most of my purchases are online. The Nirvana I was able to handle right out of the box had minor cosmetic issues with the finish, scratches and such, that I never see even on my cheapest We knives. Fortunately it doesn't sound like you had the same experience there, so maybe that's uncommon. The action on it also wasn't comparatively impressive with regards to fluidity or ease of opening. Not bad, but noticeably worse than several of my cheaper knives. And the pocket clip was just the standard 3-screw clip Spyderco sticks on most things. It works, and I normally think they are spot-on with pocket clips function-wise, but I'd have liked to see something unique for that particular knife at that price level. I've come to appreciate a clip being designed to match the handle in aesthetics. None of those things affects the knife's overall performance as a knife, I know. But they were noticeable things that I felt should've been better for the cost. I think the Anthem really is an almost perfect design overall in terms of ergonomics and everything, though I tend to prefer a sheepsfoot blade myself. The design/finish was pretty much impeccable, especially if you like the color and chevron theme. But the action on the one I tried was kind of gritty and the lock stuck in an odd way where I had to apply pretty substantial effort in to disengage the lock after deploying the blade with any force. Maybe that's something I could've adjusted had I purchased it, but as I've said, it was outside of the price range I was willing to pay for it. It's great that yours did not exhibit the same problems. Also, the design, anodizing, and other finish work on several of my Chinese knives have made the Anthem look somewhat dull to me by comparison even though it would cost me more. The Todd Begg Steelcraft Series Field Marshall from Reate is one example. Ridiculously cool knives with beautiful details and incredible action. I got a killer deal on one last year though, and I definitely wouldn't pay what's currently being asked for them. The major area I've really been dissatisfied with recently are Benchmade's blades. For example, I bought two different exclusive model 940s with CPM-20CV blades to give as gifts last year, and had to re-profile the edges right out of the box because they were very unevenly ground. They were each about $220 I believe. In fairness, I didn't notice the same on the Anthem, though I'd certainly hope you wouldn't at that level. But I've never had that issue with Rike, or even on We's cheap models in the $100 range. I also tend to break Benchmade's normal pocket clips a lot, but so far that's only been on some of the cheaper models like the Griptilian.
Aug 28, 2018
Onionman
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greyworlderI enjoy this discussion so in no way am I offended by your views or opinions. I will say that I find it odd that every time I bring up this cost issue with Chinese folders, there is always at least one person to vigorously defend whatever brand it is, which I find very strange unless you are the owner or work for the company. So while I do think your defense of Rike and other Chinese manufacturers is a bit over the top, if that's your opinion then fine. I will say that I have over 100 Spydercos and many Benchmades, but at no point have I ever been so loyal as you to defend them at every turn like you have. Spyderco has had heat treating issues and other problems on some of their designs and me and the other Spyderco fans let them know it. Every company makes mistakes. They also try to overcharge for some models and the customers let them know that as well. The only difference is that even when they overcharge, the market typically falls in line and keeps resale prices around the same amount or sometimes even more.
As I said before, I have no beef with Rike knife quality or this knife in particular, as this may be the best manufactured integral knife on the market today for all I know. What bothers me is that it should sell for the usual mark up, and not multiple times the usual mark up, unless or until Rike has the following and brand name that would justify it's value. The reason for my concern is that I don't like Rike, Reate and other Chinese manufactures trying to convince people to buy a $200 knife for $400 because of "great quality" when the manufacturing price is so much lower, as it will lead to other American manufacturers sending more work to China and could potentially ruin the market, making knives that should cost less go up in price and become unaffordable. If the manufacturing cost is less, we as consumers should benefit from that, regardless of higher quality, unless or until these makers can do what it takes to support the value for their knives.
Aug 29, 2018
greyworlder
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OnionmanI agree with you on the whole. I'm certainly not intending to lay a blanket defense out for Rike, or any other brand, as my only real loyalty is to quality. I'm sure they've had their issues as well, it's just that so far I haven't experienced any. My experience with this company has inspired that loyalty in me so far, much like my earlier experiences with Spyderco and Benchmade. It's only the last few years I've started having issues with them, and so I review and post accordingly. I will do the same for any complaints with Rike that I have in the future. I just have no major complaints to level so far.
I do not know myself what their wages or other costs are like, though I am somewhat aware of the state of things as a whole in Chinese production. My feeling that this is a fair price for the product is based on my appreciation for the quality of the various blades I've tried overall rather than any other criteria. But if the production cost/sale price discrepancy is as high as you say, then you are correct in asserting their prices should probably reflect that. I do still feel like for me, considering my tastes and experience so far, they are worth the asked amount. Inspecting and handling their knives has made me feel that way. And like I said before, I do believe that as time goes on, the company will gain a reputation for the right reasons. If that doesn't happen, my own experiences change, or if manufacturing and design issues crop up, I won't be defending them from that.
Aug 29, 2018
Charlesgpr
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OnionmanI will not discuss knives because you know more about them. However, I am a believer in free markets, and I have an issue with your last statement. Consumers are not owed anything (but they can vote with their wallets). If people pay a huge markup for something that delivers the value the consumer seeks then both parties should be happy. If markups are indeed so much higher, other producers will start undercutting them, delivering the same quality for a more reasonable markup. If someone derives more value from buying American made, then there will be producers ready to cater to them. If someone wants higher quality custom knives, some one will be happy to sell them one at the appropriately high price. If consumers hate the quality/price point of Rike Reate and other Chinese manufacturers, they will go out of business without your interjection. ¿Why knock on either option?
Aug 29, 2018
Onionman
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CharlesgprI think you misunderstand my statements on this. My stance is a personal one and one shared by other knife enthusiasts not to overpay for Chinese products that are known to cost a lot less on the open market. They can sell it for whatever price they want, but me and others won't buy it because the value is not there. In fact, I said several times that if people want to buy this that's fine, but the fact is that we are being "trained" to look at Chinese manufactured knives as no different from other country's manufacturing, and I refused to be "trained" to accept that. Maybe someday I will, but not right now. You explain the very free markets that I discussed. All I said was that these don't hold their value right now because that's the truth. You are right that if no one buys them they will either have to lower their prices or go under, but at no point am I calling for anyone to shut them down or otherwise interfere with their right to sell this for whatever they want. I just know that when I was new to knife collecting I wished I had known these things, so I am just passing it along, nothing more.
Aug 29, 2018
Onionman
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greyworlderAs I said, I bought my wife a Rike Damascus Hummingbird for about $78 and she loves it and it functions well. It is also a beautiful piece. At that price that knife has value and I have no complaints. It may even increase in value who knows, but this knife just doesn't fit that pattern and looks overpriced for its value, and that's why I would not buy it.
Aug 29, 2018
Omniseed
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Aug 29, 2018
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Onionman$500 for the Thor 1
https://www.bladehq.com/item--Rike-Knife-Thor1-Integral-Framelock--50199
$550 for the Thor 3
https://www.bladehq.com/item--Rike-Knife-Thor3-Integral-Frame--68717
$600 for the Thor 5
https://www.bladehq.com/item--Rike-Knife-Thor-5-Frame-Lock-Knife--80881
$650 for the Thor 6
https://www.bladehq.com/item--Rike-Knife-Thor6-Frame-Lock-Flipper--85112
Onionman, what do you mean when you say "not to overpay for Chinese products that are known to cost a lot less on the open market."? The Thor series is not some off-the-shelf gas station knife or a basic production knife.
It just seems like you have a lot of bad information, poor factual content of the information you do have, and an enormous chip on your shoulder as it relates to Chinese manufacturing. Your perspective and information is completely out of whack with reality from my perspective.
For instance, how are you going to sell a $420 MAP Anthem for over $400 secondhand?
And by the way, the knife maker who owned/founded/is Rike is named Richard Wu, and the Thor series, unless I am mistaken, are all midtechs.
Aug 29, 2018
Onionman
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OmniseedHa! You are a funny guy, but clearly know nothing about knives and have not been reading this discussion carefully. List prices are meaningless and if you knew anything about knives you would know that. You can list it for whatever you want, but will it sell at that price? Ebay auction prices are the best indication, since that's the real market price. No one will list this knife for auction on ebay anymore since the last time this knife sold at auction it went for $280, which is just above my estimated price. Also, I never said this was a gas station knife, I said this was a very nice $250 - $275 knife which Rike could make plenty of money selling for that price and could sell hundreds, if not thousands, of these knives with plenty of profit. Instead, this is their 3rd or 4th listing for this knife on Massdrop and they have sold a total of 19 at this price. Hey, Wu can sell this for whatever he wants, but if he wants to sell more than 19, he needs to lower the price. I really don't care if he does or not, I just don't think it's worth it for me and that's it. If Rike can sell a knife with similar materials for $199 on this site, with the only difference being the grinding associated with it being an integral construction (which does cost more but not $220 more), then Rike can certainly sell this knife for less with plenty of profit left over.
Moreover, I am not in any way bashing the quality of Rike. As I said before, for all I know this could be the best integral knife on the market. I also said it was not a mid tech because no one advertises it as such and no maker is associated with the knife, which is the very definition of what a midtech is. If it was a midtech, it would be silly not to list the maker and the handmade aspects of the knife, as this gives it more value to the customer and a higher price point, so why would they leave it out on every web site that sells this knife?
As far as the Anthem goes, I got mine from a regular dealer at my local gun show for $300. I know he is a reputable dealer and makes plenty of profit at his prices regardless of the MAP price. (Moreover, MAP only applies to the advertised price, not the actual sale price, so a dealer can sell at whatever price they want so long as they don't advertise it and it will still be compliant with MAP). If Benchmade can make an integral in the USA and sell it wholesale at a low enough price for my knife guy to make a profit at $300, I know that this knife is a bit overpriced to say the least.
Aug 29, 2018
MaxwellDemonic
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OnionmanOmniseed is a respected member of this community and has an exceptional amount of knowledge involving knives and the knife community. Ad Hominem arguments don't do anyone any good.
I think the crux of the issue is this jingoist idea that somehow because the knife is from China, that they're trying to rake people over the coals on cost.
I agree with the price being a bit absurd, but it extends across integrals as a whole. Just because you were able to pick up an Anthem for a reasonable price (from a private seller) doesn't mean the companies themselves aren't trying to keep the overall price of integrals far above the materials cost.
Integrals being a relatively new thing have an advantage. Long time collectors will want an example for their collections. People new to the scene will like the idea of a single screw for maintenance. Hell I want one, but I know better than to shell out $400 for a product that will inherently drop in price in the coming months.
Aug 30, 2018
Onionman
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MaxwellDemonicI don't think Omniseed needs anyone to come to his rescue as this was nothing more than an interesting debate among knife enthusiasts. At no point did I mean to disrespect anyone, but don't tell me that this is worth every penny because its so nice and smooth when no one is buying it and it has a much lower resale value. Also, I bought the Anthem from a reputable dealer (which I stated in my post but you seemed to ignore that) who happens to work knife shows. My post has nothing but facts in it so I don't know what you are talking about. If you want to talk more facts please do. How much does this knife cost to make? Can you list the price breakdown in terms of materials, design costs, labor, etc.? I would love to be "schooled" in that but since the knife market is probably the most secretive about its wholesale costs all I have are the price comparisons of similar knives from different parts of the country and my own experiences. I have nothing against Chinese knives at all and I own a lot of them, but this one is just too expensive for me and since no one else is really buying it, it appears to be too expensive for the general market as well. If it drops to the $250 range I will be the first one to buy it.
Aug 30, 2018
MaxwellDemonic
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OnionmanA) Gun shows (which you stated this was) operate with all sellers being classified as private sellers (hence why you avoid government mandated restrictions on purchases pertaining to firearms). In all reality, that is most likely why you were able to avoid MAP. B) I never stated it's worth the money, I stated it's price is based on the type of knife which is nearly universal across integrals (at least regarding MSRP and MAP). I distinctly stated several times (across multiple threads on this page) that the materials alone don't warrant the price they're selling it for. I quite frankly do not think it is worth the money for a whole host of reasons. C) Omniseed probably doesn't need me to back up their character or knowledge, but I'm glad to do it. " Ha! You are a funny guy, but clearly know nothing about knives and have not been reading this discussion carefully. " In that direct quote, you were talking on the person and not their argument. That's the definition of the ad hominem fallacy.
Aug 30, 2018
Onionman
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MaxwellDemonicI was only responding to Omniseed's own attacks against me, which were strange since he just interjected himself into this thread and attacked my "poor information" without showing me any good information and by showing me knife prices set by the sellers (which everyone knows does not represent the value of the knife, just what a seller hopes they will get for it).
Honestly, this is the most bizarre discussion I have ever had about any knife, let alone a Chinese knife, as you guys are way too over the top and oversensitive in defending this knife and Chinese knives in general. For example, I love Spyderco and go on their forums and Facebook all the time and make many critical comments worse then this when something is wrong or if a product is overpriced and never get this type of visceral reaction even from the die hard Spyderco fanboys. I can only assume then that you guys either work for Rike or some other Chinese manufacturer, are related to them, or just like to troll for good arguments. Either way its fine, as this has been entertaining to say the least.
Aug 30, 2018
MaxwellDemonic
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Onionman#DeepStateRikeEmployee
Seriously, that's hilarious. I've never had "Chinese knife manufacturer employee" levied at me.
EDIT: Ah, looking over your past posts, it seems they're almost all complaining about price and crapping on Chinese manufacturing.
Aug 30, 2018
Omniseed
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MaxwellDemonicBigots abound, what can we say.
I'm sure he'll find some other terminology to disguise the simplistic antipathy towards China, but what's it matter, this dude claims he bought an Anthem for well below MAP but that he can sell it secondhand for more than MAP.
He's a delusional fool and is only here to antagonize people.
Aug 30, 2018
Onionman
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MaxwellDemonic100% wrong. Never complained about manufacturing at all. Just said knife wasn't worth the price and should be selling for less. I did say I had a problem with a Bestech and that's the truth, but never trashed all Chinese manufacturers. But even if I did why do you even care? And now Omniseed is making disparaging comments about me. Are you going to come to my rescue?
Aug 30, 2018
MaxwellDemonic
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OnionmanNah, I like Omniseed, he doesn't imply I'm in the pocket of Chinese knife manufacturers. By past posts, I mean the rest of the stuff you've said on other drops.
Aug 30, 2018
Onionman
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OmniseedNever said I could sell my anthem for more than MAP. Why the need to lie? Not here to antagonize anyone and this was never directed to you at all. You interceded in an interesting debate and started calling people names like a 5 year old. All I know is that this is the lowest price I have ever seen for this knife from a retailer of any kind, and the number sold is ZERO with a total of 19 sold over the last 3 or 4 drops. That sir, means this knife is overpriced.
Aug 30, 2018
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