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Feb 12, 2018
My current driver of choice is a Mionix Avior 7000 (also purchased via Massdrop). I've been intrigued by the button layout on a Tyon for quite some time so I'm going to spring for it.
My gaming days are behind me, but I still insist on a pretty slick high end gaming mouse. They make me more productive because I can remap hard to reach shortcuts over to my mouse hand so I don't spend as much time trying to reposition my hands or miss keystrokes. Everything from editing images in Photoshop to reviewing Excel spreadsheets, to managing a server on the command line of a terminal program is sped up by having extra controls that a well thought out mouse gives me... not to mention that my hands feel better for not having to contort to odd shapes to reach keys that are really hard to hit with only one hand. You younger dudes who don't think you'll ever deal with repetitive strain, be careful and take care of your hands. Don't make them work harder than they need to work. I'm not sure if a Tyon mouse is the ideal ergonomic input device for you and it could very well be that the Tyon isn't going to be right for me either, so this isn't a recommendation to get in on this drop if your hands hurt. You experiment and learn how your body responds to various tools. What's considered ideal ergonomics is different for everyone.
CrashNBurn
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Mar 7, 2018
hyperlinkedI just got in on the last Drop for the Roccat Leadr -- which is basically a (wireless optional) Tyon with an optical sensor. The reviews I saw are really poor for the Tyon's with a laser sensor.
I may still pick up a SteelSeries Rival 500, as I can never tell if a mouse in question will trigger my wrist RSI or not. https://www.amazon.com/SteelSeries-62051-15-Button-Programmable-Gaming/dp/B01K3DM0WY/
Granted in the last 13 years, I've not found any mouse able to actually replace my favored Logitech MX518. https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-518-Gaming-Grade-Optical-Mouse/dp/B0007Z1M50/ The MX518 lasted for 8+ years compared to the similar low-quality G400s which was repeatedly defective (cables and buttons) in less than a year.
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Mar 7, 2018
CrashNBurnAs a fellow (mostly recovered) RSI sufferer, I feel for you and can totally understand your search for devices that keep you productive and healthy.
I've never used the Logitech MX518 so I can't say whether this would be an ideal fit for someone who likes that mouse, but I can say that the MX518 looks to be ideal for a palm grip and the Tyon is built for people who palm their mice. I grip a whole bunch of different ways. Most of the time I'm a hybrid grip that's somewhere between palm and fingertip grip and even occasionally the claw grip. I find that I have to adopt a "high" fingertip grip to use it comfortably with a fingertip grip. I can't rest my fingers toward the middle of the mouse as I would with a more neutral mouse.
This is a slightly wider mouse than a typical gaming mouse. Its width is comparable to a Logitec M705.
I'm a little clumsy with the mouse still, but I'm not sure if it has anything to do with the sensor. My challenges seem to be more due to me having to adapt my style of grip. I started gripping it higher up and started getting better results as soon as I did that.
I'm coming from a Mionix Avior 7000. I don't feel that the sensor is either a big step up or a big step down.
Anyway, I rather like this mouse. I wish it were about one centimeter less wide, but otherwise I'm really liking how well thought out the button placements are. All of the primary clicks are very comfortable for me to reach and only a few of the modified clicks that require you to hold down the thumb button are slightly awkward.
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Mar 8, 2018
CrashNBurnHey Crash, have you ever tried the Logitec M570 Trackball Mouse? I have to say that's by far my favorite RSI friendly pointer device. Granted, everyone's RSI is a bit different, but I know other people have had really good luck with it too. It's the pointer device I resort to when I have a flare up in my right hand and I have to cut back to just the basics. It doesn't have enough buttons for me to use regularly, but to me it's a must have option. The best thing about is that it's only $25!
CrashNBurn
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Mar 8, 2018
hyperlinkedIf I could wrap my mind around a trackball, I'd prolly go with an Elecom: https://www.amazon.com/ELECOM-M-HT1DRBK-Wireless-Trackball-Mouse/dp/B0735584RM/
And if it was a Mouse AND a trackball, I'd buy it in an instant -- where you could choose to move the mouse or the trackball -- I haven't been able to find such a beast.
My RSI tends to get triggered by hard-pressure right-click buttons and scroll wheels with too much feedback -- not the movement of the mouse itself.
As far as Logitech is concerned, I don't care for Logitech's inaccurate freewheel scroll, and have not liked where the freewheel trigger buttons are located. The G400 and G700s were extremely disappointing for too many reasons. Logitech's software is generally horrible: SetPoint was crap for years; and their current stack explicitly prevents you from assigning F13 thru F24 keycodes to their keyboards and mice. (I use AutoHotkey, and that is bullshit) On top of all that, most other mouse makers (even the no-names) seem to do better multi-button layouts than Logitech over the last decade. c.f. a knock-off of a Dragon mouse that was $19 :: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01E04JLFQ/
I could complain about Logitech Mice for hours.
My never-to-be-made dream input-device, would be a Mouse that has a small trackball instead of a scroll-wheel, forward/back thumb buttons, and a front left side D-Pad.
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Mar 8, 2018
CrashNBurnYeah, I'm really not a fan of Logitech mice. I really can't understand how they got so big. Everything they produce is mediocre. The Logitech Trackball Mouse is my one exception. It's really nothing like other Logitech products. The v1 version of that Elecom looks like a clone of the Logitech Trackball Mouse.
I've actually been fascinated by that Elecom trackball you linked to, but I prefer the trackball to be thumb controlled. I find those to be far easier to control.
I too have been looking for a device that's both a trackball and a mouse, but I've come to the belief that the reason why one doesn't exist is because it sounds cooler than it would be in practice. The compromises they'd have to make would probably make it a terrible mouse and less than optimal trackball.
Scroll wheels give me some aches too. I'm really enjoying all the extra paired buttons on Tyon because I can map page up/page down and home/end so I can spare myself from doing the scrolling motion too often.
CrashNBurn
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Mar 8, 2018
hyperlinkedSure, but the Elecom with a side trackball has a completely different shape, layout and less buttons: https://www.amazon.com/M-XT3DRBK-Wireless-Trackball-6-Button-Tracking/dp/B016QCPNUW/
I almost want to get the other Elecom just to see how it could be customized with the Steam Controller config tool.
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Mar 8, 2018
CrashNBurnYeah, I think that gen 1 Elecom trackball mouse is going to be on my shopping list if my right hand ever gets bad again. That form factor really works for me when I get a flare up and when I have to use the Logitech Trackball Mouse I always find myself wanting just one more button. One more button plus a tilt wheel would be really nice.