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Cloaca
1906
Dec 7, 2017
The mill behind these scarves appears to be Johnstons of Elgin in Moray, Scotland. According to Wikipedia the cashmere that they process is from -- wait for it! -- China and Mongolia. It's not just SWISS MADE watches that are from China.
IvanSpendalot
376
Dec 9, 2017
CloacaBecause the goats are in China and Mongolia. On top of that the labour is cheap in China who will comb the fibers instead of cheaper shearing option.
Cloaca
1906
Dec 9, 2017
IvanSpendalotI'm sure that the cheap labor applies to the other steps in the manufacturing process also, so why not just buy Chinese scarves? The whole pompous "Royal Speyside" thing is a con to make you think the entire product is from Scotland, just like when watchmakers decorate a rotor using high-cost Swiss labor, then send it to China to be installed in a watch that can be called Swiss Made under the 60 percent value rules.
Cyn1c
186
Dec 10, 2017
CloacaWhy are you going off on this?
The product description didn’t imply that the wool was from Scotland.
Is there a difference between Scottish and Chinese wool?
Cloaca
1906
Dec 10, 2017
Cyn1c"Is there a difference between Scottish and Chinese wool."
Is there a difference in Made in U.S.A. and Made in China? If consumers are givien a choice they will choose Scottish wool, or will pay a higher price for it, so the marketing by this outfit obfuscates the source of the wool.
But in fact, there is no such thing as Scottish cashmere wool, since cashmere requires a specific sheep species living in a specific very cool climate unlike Scotland's: otherwise the cashmere fibers just don't grow.
Chinese fiber is made into yarn in Scotland, but for cheaper products the yarn is sent back to China and the knitting is done there. This is crazy, but it's because the Scottish origin labeling laws allow such products to be labeled as made in Scotland. It comes down to value added, and the value is determined by the wages in the countries involved. Many consumers think of value as something more commonsense, such as 60 percent value being 60 percent of the labor time.
You can bet that for a diffusion brand the minimum Scottish contact has been had with these scarves. A diffusion brand is used when a brand wants the hoi polloi's money without tarnishing the image of their main brand.
In general I have no problem with national origin laws allowing some content from other countries. I don't think that steel used in Swiss watches needs to use Alpine iron ore. But the massive wage differences between countries allow the system to be arbitraged and scammed. Manufacturers support this system, but if there were complete transparency the whole house of cards would collapse. I'd like to see component-by-component, process-by-process disclosure. Made in Japan Seiko watches can be made completely in Malaysia if there's a Japanese engineer and quality control guy on the factory floor. How the heck is that made in Japan?
I think a class action lawsuit could prevail on this stuff. Just because some legislature or trade organization says you can say "Made in ..." if certain standards are met, that doesn't give them the right to change the English language. "Made in" means something specific, and none of this stuff is actually made where they claim it's made.
Cyn1c
186
Dec 10, 2017
CloacaVery detailed reply! Thanks!
And you bring up great points.
Sadly, I generally assume that ”Made in...” will only meet the minimum requirements nowadays. As an example, the cashmere scarves made by the mill you listed above start at $175. So there’s no way that we’re going to get a similar scarf for $50 without some corners being cut!
That said, you never know if the same corners are being cut on the $175 scarves too!
KtMaDr
6
Jan 23, 2018
CloacaScotland produces very little cashmere (its not cold enough). Most of it comes from Mongolia, with some more recent production in Australia and New Zealand. The best stuff is from Mongolia (not that these scarves are made from the best stuff). The association of Scotland with cashmere is not for production, but for weaving the yarn.
It is not at all similar to the Swiss watch industry.
CloacaI really don't care about this stuff normally. But when I am buying something 'Scottish' it's because my ancestors and my last name are Scottish. I want actual real deal Scottish. Not some shell company con game where it is made in a pacific rim country, but labeled with a brand name that implies an origin elsewhere (cough British Belt Company cough).