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gatherer818
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Jul 31, 2016
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The publisher saved me a very significant amount of money with their attitude towards this drop and their customers in general- not only did I decide Scythe wasn't for me, but since I won't be getting it, I won't be able to use it as a justification that "This game is so good, Between Two Cities and Euphoria must be awesome as well." It won't be necessary to fire me as a customer; I quit. I wish the rest of you the best, though; the game really does look good. Enjoy :D
Jul 31, 2016
StormTrooper
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Jul 31, 2016
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gatherer818Don't forget Viticulture/Tuscany.
Jul 31, 2016
gatherer818
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Jul 31, 2016
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StormTrooperIn total honesty, those two didn't really catch my fancy. My comment was skirting a line anyway - it wasn't entirely necessary for me to come back here to say "hey you just lost at least one and probably three sales". Lying about how many games I would have bought would just made me feel like a total jerk. Although, it was probably more like four, because holy crap Charterstone looks good too.
Jul 31, 2016
aaaaaabi
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Jul 31, 2016
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gatherer818Well you're missing out on some good games, and some of the best customer service I've experienced from a game publisher. He's always open to answering questions and has a great reputation in the industry.
He came on here because Mass Drop would not reply to his messages and tried to bring light to an unauthorized vendor selling his game that has not even hit retail yet. The replies to him resorted to personal attacks and didnt retaliate.
If being against an unauthorized retailer selling his game makes you think he doesn't care about his customers then I don't know watt to say. But really this has put me off Mass Drop completely and I will not buy anything new from this site.
Jul 31, 2016
Robeauxcop
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Jul 31, 2016
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aaaaaabiI am only speaking for myself here, and for what it's worth, you do make great points. I definitely agree that some people were going after Jamey in ways that were totally uncalled for. He didn't really react, and I think that speaks a lot to his character in a positive way.
My ENTIRE issue with the entire thing comes from MY interpretation of the tone his comments began to take. He definitely started off as just wanting to clear the air, and protect his game. Totally cool, I'd expect anyone who cares about what they do to ensure that their product/agreements are being honored.
He started losing me after continually associating Massdrop as being a 'bargain bin', and a place for things that are overstocked. Yes, I understand how that image may impact a brand, but I vehemently disagree with the statement that this place is for overstocked items, at bargain bin prices. He just kept hammering that nail, and it began to feel insulting, despite a real lack of inflammatory language.
Scythe is on here because there is a HUGE demand for it, and enough people were able to get a limited amount made available through Massdrop. Scythe pre-orders seem to be sold out everywhere else, so of course people will explore all avenues to make sure they can get it. I think it speaks tremendously for Scythe that the demand has been so great. It's not here because of underhanded attempts to subvert the image Stonemaier is trying to cultivate, it's not here because people are trying to upset anyone, it's here because people on the website really wanted it. End of story.
I know I'm missing out on great games, and maybe that's no one's fault but my own. That's just fine, I'm not a rocket scientist. I'm just an idiot who loves board games, but I also value publishers who I believe value my business, and enjoyment, and aren't solely devoted to the money. Jamey really doesn't seem like a bad dude at all, he's just given me the impression that his 'brand image' is more important than getting his game to people who clearly want it. I honestly want to be wrong about my assessment, and hope I'll just be able to chalk it up to a poor interpretation on my part. Until then, I'll abstain from Stonemaier games.
Jul 31, 2016
Michaelmurphymurphy
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Jul 31, 2016
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RobeauxcopOut of curiosity do you have a similar stance toward Asmodee North America, they also have opposed online benders which decrease the 'perceived value' of these luxury products called board games?
Jul 31, 2016
Robeauxcop
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Jul 31, 2016
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MichaelmurphymurphyI definitely don't really like Asmodee's new policy towards online sales, but they're consistent across the board about it. They're not cherry-picking websites that 'fit their image', everyone's being treated the same. No one can sell online. Period.
To answer your question, no I don't have the same stance towards Asmodee North America, and their policy. I don't go to FLGS very often, due to greater pricing anyways, so it's unlikely I'll be getting Asmodee games in the future, unless I see something I can't live without.
Jul 31, 2016
elmotoja
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Jul 31, 2016
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RobeauxcopFrom what I understand some >selected< websites will sell asmodee product online. In fact their policy seems to be much more restrictive than Jaimie's. If you won't buy asmodee's product then you will greatly limit yourself, because they have many good studios/companies unders their umbrella and more to come soon (z-man, plaid hat).
I too would like to pay lower prices, however, I understand their, Jamie's and other companies point of view: big discounts can be bad for a product, especially if this product is not officially out yet. I believe that Jaimie could have had some bad wording, he is only a human and makes mistakes. This can happen when you engage the community more than asmodee officials (their policies were left without a comment form many days or weeks, despite the uproar). Putting a big discount on a game that is not officially out yet can send a bad signal to people. It might not influence you or me, but I trust in publishers that they know that this phenomenon exists and a non-negligible amount of customers is influenced by it.
You might say that massdrop is not a big discounter, however, I remember that Jaimie said that he thought it was and his image of massdrop could have been skewed by his personal interactions with them in the past. Some people say that his anti-discount approach is also anti-discount-wanting-clients, yet, to me it is anti the group thinking and not anti-getting a deal by one person or the other (so much anti :). Then again it is not so easy to differentiate between the two if you are not interested in the topic (I too was not concerned with the thing untill this year and asmodee's new policies were introduced) and perhaps this is the biggest mistake that Jaimie made: talking publicly about a topic that may be unclear to many and easily interpreted as anti consumer.
If you don't want to buy his games because of a misunderstanding, it is your choice, however, they are fun games, so perhaps you will change your mind in the future.
Jul 31, 2016
Robeauxcop
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Jul 31, 2016
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elmotojaAsmodee's new policy says something to the effect of 'Face to face sales only.' so I took that to mean that they were halting all online sales, but to be perfectly honest, I have not really investigated beyond that. It'll be more clear as time goes by.
Overall I feel like Asmodee's recent big buyouts, and new policies are a detriment to the hobby, but only time will really tell. Asmodee doesn't currently have anything that I want, and I think it'll be fairly easy for me to refrain from buying any of their games.
I hope in my responses I've not come across as self-important, or entitled. I know that to many of these companies losing one customer means nothing, but choosing not to buy certain companies' products is the only way I can express my disagreement.
Jul 31, 2016
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