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Rosebud41
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CCTO
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Jun 8, 2018
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Rosebud41Ditto. Nice handsome watch, great face, real depth rating (which Massdrop doesn't always seem to really understand)...but can't be set to the second and can't be kept running over a few days wearing another watch. If this were hackable and windable, I'd have snagged it.
Rosebud41
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CCTOPart of it is Seiko's problem - this is a great design and they could easily update it to be only made with the NH35 but Seiko likes to sell this as a "cash cow" , an older design which they want to milk without putting even minimal redesign costs into it.
Even end users have figured out how to convert these to an NH35:
https://seikoparts.wordpress.com/2017/03/27/supercharge-your-skx007-with-a-nh35/
Even end users have figured out how to convert these to an NH35:
https://seikoparts.wordpress.com/2017/03/27/supercharge-your-skx007-with-a-nh35/
Deean
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Jun 8, 2018
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Rosebud41Max price point of $100? The market dictates the price. The Seiko SKX007 is one of the most coveted dive watches out there - they sell in used beat up shape for over $100 on eBay.
After years of looking at this piece, I finally caved in and bought one a couple of months ago from Jomashop, just to see if it lived up to the hype. I wear the watch almost daily now - not sure what it is about the watch, but it's one that I just seem to go to. I love it. The accuracy is like no other watch that I have - still at -2 sec after 2 months of wearing it. This will be a watch I can enjoy for years and a great all around "beater". It's worth all the hype, regardless of whether you can wind or hack the movement.
As for the price being offered in this drop - it's nothing to write home about, but still a good value.
After years of looking at this piece, I finally caved in and bought one a couple of months ago from Jomashop, just to see if it lived up to the hype. I wear the watch almost daily now - not sure what it is about the watch, but it's one that I just seem to go to. I love it. The accuracy is like no other watch that I have - still at -2 sec after 2 months of wearing it. This will be a watch I can enjoy for years and a great all around "beater". It's worth all the hype, regardless of whether you can wind or hack the movement.
As for the price being offered in this drop - it's nothing to write home about, but still a good value.
Rosebud41
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DeeanAll my Seikos were +/- double digits, which is what they're supposed to be, so no issue there. More problematically, they all seemed to need tuning in 3-4 years which is uncharacteristic. (Most Seikos are known to go for far longer.) I think in my case most of my Seikos (Monsters and 5s) were "old stock" and had been sitting on a shelf somewhere for a few years before I bought them.
So to me, the brand has not impressed much from personal experience. Orient thrills me more as far as Old Skool shake to winds go.
But if you are happy with your watch and have great accuracy from it, I won't argue. Enjoy!
So to me, the brand has not impressed much from personal experience. Orient thrills me more as far as Old Skool shake to winds go.
But if you are happy with your watch and have great accuracy from it, I won't argue. Enjoy!
Ryanhastoes
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Jun 8, 2018
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Rosebud41They're not a bad tool watch if you actually want one for diving.
I bought a deep blue nato diver for $150 (nh36 movement) and my buddy bought an skx. In hindsight I would have preferred the SKX when in the water. It also wears better as an every day watch as it is smaller. In my opinion, $165 for an ISO certified watch isn't a bad deal considering the other options.
Rosebud41
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RyanhastoesI am a desk diver with occasional pool use, so am in a different (generally drier!) world. I can see how the lack of hand winding and hacking would matter less in diving. But wouldn't you be better with a Citizen quartz or diving computer anyway? Also, what didn't you like about the Deep Blue? I don't own one but always heard good things about them.
Ryanhastoes
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Rosebud41Defiantly, use a dive computer for everything. For safety stops, navigation (elapsed time swimming in a direction) or time on the surface -- it's just super easy to set the bezel.
Don't get me wrong-the Deep Blue is a solid watch but it's a little big for me at 44 mm and it's hard to tuck that under a shirt sleeve in the office sometimes.
sockpuppy
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Jun 9, 2018
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DeeanOne of the most coveted dive watches out there? Seiko has some of the most delusional fans in the watch world. And I'm wearing a Seiko as I type this, nothing against the brand itself.
shooteur
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Jun 9, 2018
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Rosebud41The SKX has essentially been replaced by the SRP Turtles, which have hack/manual wind 4 series movements.
Rosebud41
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Jun 11, 2018
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BlightorOh, golly, I'm wrong! The 7S26 actually costs more to make than the NH35, at least if prices for new movements to retail customers are indicative...
https://www.ebay.com/b/Seiko-Mechanical-Automatic-Watch-Movements/57720/bn_73292023
New 7s26 = $11 more on Ebay than new NH35. I am sure this is due to declining demand and supply of the 7S26 in the market, but still indicative that there is no significant price difference between the two movements, and also indicative of the fact that Seiko could easily give customers an NH35 in these watches if they chose to incur the engineering costs to do so.
As far as owning them, I bought my Seikos within a year or two of each other, before they started slowing down, experiencing shorter run times, etc.
https://www.ebay.com/b/Seiko-Mechanical-Automatic-Watch-Movements/57720/bn_73292023
New 7s26 = $11 more on Ebay than new NH35. I am sure this is due to declining demand and supply of the 7S26 in the market, but still indicative that there is no significant price difference between the two movements, and also indicative of the fact that Seiko could easily give customers an NH35 in these watches if they chose to incur the engineering costs to do so.
As far as owning them, I bought my Seikos within a year or two of each other, before they started slowing down, experiencing shorter run times, etc.
LonelyLemons
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Jun 12, 2018
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Rosebud41The NH35 is the unbranded version of the 4R36, intended for third party watch makers. It isn't used by Seiko. On top of that, the NH35/4R36 is mostly the same as the 7S26. It just has the hacking and handwinding. The 7S26 is a workhorse, and the 4R36 is a workhorse with two extra features that many people don't feel the need for.
If you're looking for accuracy in a Seiko automatic under $1000, you should be looking for the 6R15, probably. Longevity? The lower beat rate of the 7S26/4R36 typically means that these movements have been known for going 10 years without a need for service, and routinely require less maintenance than the 6R15.
If you're looking for accuracy in a Seiko automatic under $1000, you should be looking for the 6R15, probably. Longevity? The lower beat rate of the 7S26/4R36 typically means that these movements have been known for going 10 years without a need for service, and routinely require less maintenance than the 6R15.
Rosebud41
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LonelyLemonsYup, understand all the above,
But hacking and hand winding are hardly unnecessary, and most users would prefer these if the movement's function and reliability were not otherwise impaired. Especially when cheaper Orient divers both hack and handwind, and are also tough as nails.
I have a 6R15, It's accuracy is middling. My NH35s are better actually.
May just be a bad apple. As are the numerous 5s and Monsters I've owned that needed overhauls in less than 5 years after purchase. I have entry level ETAs going on 8 years without an overhaul that are still within COSC standards. Maybe those are statistical outliers...
But my point here is that paying $170 for a non hacking non hand-winding watch is definitely a matter of personal idiosyncracy rather than what most buyers would want. My ancillary point is that Seiko should say bye-bye to the 7S26 and put a more modern movement in this fine case.
But hacking and hand winding are hardly unnecessary, and most users would prefer these if the movement's function and reliability were not otherwise impaired. Especially when cheaper Orient divers both hack and handwind, and are also tough as nails.
I have a 6R15, It's accuracy is middling. My NH35s are better actually.
May just be a bad apple. As are the numerous 5s and Monsters I've owned that needed overhauls in less than 5 years after purchase. I have entry level ETAs going on 8 years without an overhaul that are still within COSC standards. Maybe those are statistical outliers...
But my point here is that paying $170 for a non hacking non hand-winding watch is definitely a matter of personal idiosyncracy rather than what most buyers would want. My ancillary point is that Seiko should say bye-bye to the 7S26 and put a more modern movement in this fine case.
LonelyLemons
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Jun 12, 2018
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Rosebud41I can get behind both points, I suppose. I personally would buy a Ray 2 over the SKX at this price.
The 7S26 probably should be relegated to the 5 series at this point. The SKX could do with a 4R36 and a signed crown while we're at it.
The 7S26 probably should be relegated to the 5 series at this point. The SKX could do with a 4R36 and a signed crown while we're at it.
Rosebud41
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LonelyLemonsI like your thinking! :D
This is a great watch and I like the brand - just needs the slightest smidgen of updating from Seiko to be a "modern classic".
This is a great watch and I like the brand - just needs the slightest smidgen of updating from Seiko to be a "modern classic".
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If you must offer watches shaken, not wound, $100 should be the max price point for this rather annoying and increasingly obsolete movement. I've owned half a dozen 7S26 watches, and they have all had very ordinary accuracy, checkered service histories. and relatively short lifespans (3 to 4 years) between necessary overhauls, the cost of which often approaches 50% of the value of the watch. I don't see the appeal.