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Seiko Presage SRPB6X Automatic Watch
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Seiko Presage SRPB6X Automatic Watch
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The Seiko Presage SRPB6X looks like a clock at an old train station. Easy to read with large Arabic numerals at the main hour positions, it also has smaller minute markings around the outer chapter ring Read More
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keyboard_arrow_downTetraEngine
32
Feb 11, 2018
As an owner of the SRPB63J1 (has the "Presage Automatic" at the 6 o'clock position), I have some questions, but would also like to clarify some of your questions too. I got mine from a local watch shop in Singapore, for about S$260 or US$196, brand new with tag and 1 year warranty by the shop itself.
Also, I'm guessing the difference between the 0x and 6x models of this watch is just the words on the watch face. The 0x model has the cursive "Automatic", while the 6x which I own, has the "Presage Automatic". It's probably for different market regions. Just my guess... I may be wrong, but I am going to use these assumptions for later parts of this comment so to make things easier for me.
Here's some answers to your questions: -The watch's lug width is 20mm (20.10mm actually for strap clearance), measured with vernier calipers. -Back of the watch says "Top Sapphire Crystal", so yes, the top is Sapphire. But I'm not so sure about the rear window. Probably just plain glass or hardlex? -The watch features a 4R35B Seiko movement which only has 23 Jewels. It's stated in the specifications section of the user's manual and on the rotor of the movement. 24 Jewels are for 4R36, 37, 38 and 39 variants.
What I'm confused/wanna ask: -I saw both 0x and 6x models, each in different shops in my area. The 6x costs around S$270~$300 (US$203~$226) while the 0x is around the S$500 range (US$380). Why the big price difference? I believe there are no counterfeits of this watch yet, cos who would wanna fake an entry-level Seiko that is not that popular (as in its hard to find details about the watch)? -Any idea when this watch is released? It's damn hard to find details on this watch (like I said earlier)! Seiko only officially list this watch on their UK website, and even then, it's the 0x model and they don't say much about the watch. Would be cool if you know! :)
Also, I'm guessing the difference between the 0x and 6x models of this watch is just the words on the watch face. The 0x model has the cursive "Automatic", while the 6x which I own, has the "Presage Automatic". It's probably for different market regions. Just my guess... I may be wrong, but I am going to use these assumptions for later parts of this comment so to make things easier for me.
Here's some answers to your questions: -The watch's lug width is 20mm (20.10mm actually for strap clearance), measured with vernier calipers. -Back of the watch says "Top Sapphire Crystal", so yes, the top is Sapphire. But I'm not so sure about the rear window. Probably just plain glass or hardlex? -The watch features a 4R35B Seiko movement which only has 23 Jewels. It's stated in the specifications section of the user's manual and on the rotor of the movement. 24 Jewels are for 4R36, 37, 38 and 39 variants.
What I'm confused/wanna ask: -I saw both 0x and 6x models, each in different shops in my area. The 6x costs around S$270~$300 (US$203~$226) while the 0x is around the S$500 range (US$380). Why the big price difference? I believe there are no counterfeits of this watch yet, cos who would wanna fake an entry-level Seiko that is not that popular (as in its hard to find details about the watch)? -Any idea when this watch is released? It's damn hard to find details on this watch (like I said earlier)! Seiko only officially list this watch on their UK website, and even then, it's the 0x model and they don't say much about the watch. Would be cool if you know! :)
CraigLewis
260
Sep 20, 2017
Further comment WRT Seiko and model numbering, and how they do themselves NO favor.
Seiko has numerous models allowing atomic time sync via RF reception. They generally were split into 3 lines, depending on finish levels; they shared the same movement, for the most part. That's OK; one line was basic, one sporty, one more dressy. The Spirit Smart was the basic...galvanized dials, I believe, simplest cases. Most of them are SBTM xxx.
The KILLER part is...these started with models that only received the Japanese signal. (It's on a different frequency.) As of a couple years ago...they came out with models that received signals from Japan, the US, and Germany. BOTH using the SBTM numbering. For quite a while, they were both heavily represented in the catalog. I *believe* that the movement model numbers were even the same, but I may be mis-remembering. If you knew what you were looking for, the dial made it clear...but that was it.
Spirit contains both mechanical and quartz. Argh. Spirit Smart is all solar...but some are RF, some aren't. SBTM is all RF. OK...until you get into the Japan-only vs. international line. Then looking at the other major Spirit Smart...solar but not RF. 10 models show, 9 of which have 2 subdial areas, at 12 and 6...meaning the single 3-hander is something of an orphan. 7 of the 9 are SPBJ; the other 2 are SPBY. The SPBYs are chronographs with tachymeter scale...ok. The SPBJs...5 are world time, 2 are perpetual calendar. But ALL 9 are fundamentally highly similar, with 2 major subdials at 12 and 6, and a small, subtle subdial at 9.
But you've really got to look to tell which is which. And this is not new; you can readily find criticism about their inconsistent branding in their product lines going back quite a ways.
Seiko has numerous models allowing atomic time sync via RF reception. They generally were split into 3 lines, depending on finish levels; they shared the same movement, for the most part. That's OK; one line was basic, one sporty, one more dressy. The Spirit Smart was the basic...galvanized dials, I believe, simplest cases. Most of them are SBTM xxx.
The KILLER part is...these started with models that only received the Japanese signal. (It's on a different frequency.) As of a couple years ago...they came out with models that received signals from Japan, the US, and Germany. BOTH using the SBTM numbering. For quite a while, they were both heavily represented in the catalog. I *believe* that the movement model numbers were even the same, but I may be mis-remembering. If you knew what you were looking for, the dial made it clear...but that was it.
Spirit contains both mechanical and quartz. Argh. Spirit Smart is all solar...but some are RF, some aren't. SBTM is all RF. OK...until you get into the Japan-only vs. international line. Then looking at the other major Spirit Smart...solar but not RF. 10 models show, 9 of which have 2 subdial areas, at 12 and 6...meaning the single 3-hander is something of an orphan. 7 of the 9 are SPBJ; the other 2 are SPBY. The SPBYs are chronographs with tachymeter scale...ok. The SPBJs...5 are world time, 2 are perpetual calendar. But ALL 9 are fundamentally highly similar, with 2 major subdials at 12 and 6, and a small, subtle subdial at 9.
But you've really got to look to tell which is which. And this is not new; you can readily find criticism about their inconsistent branding in their product lines going back quite a ways.
CraigLewis
260
Sep 21, 2017
I disagree that it affects the value that much, not at this price point. This is still, more or less, an entry-level watch.
That said, it's sapphire. There is no uncertainty.
That said, it's sapphire. There is no uncertainty.
TetraEngine
32
Feb 11, 2018
I'm from Singapore, and I got the SRPB63J1 (which has the Presage Automatic at the 6 o'clock position) from a shop, and at the back of the watch, it says Top Sapphire Crystal.
smallbit
1328
Sep 21, 2017
Chuck1899I think this is the K1 which is hardlex... or wait, I just found one that is 23 jewels and sapphire. They need to get their model numbers figured out hahaha!
CraigLewis
260
Sep 20, 2017
This is NOT!!! the 0x.
Looking at the 03 on Amazon. The 0x line is the OLD!!! line. The text near 6 is the script Automatic. Seiko realigned their product lines this year. The pictures on display here show Presage above automatic...in smaller block caps, not script. This is the post Baselworld branding.
Honestly? In this case, don't blame Massdrop for the confusion. Seiko's causing this one, IMO.
Looking at the 03 on Amazon. The 0x line is the OLD!!! line. The text near 6 is the script Automatic. Seiko realigned their product lines this year. The pictures on display here show Presage above automatic...in smaller block caps, not script. This is the post Baselworld branding.
Honestly? In this case, don't blame Massdrop for the confusion. Seiko's causing this one, IMO.
CraigLewis
260
Sep 21, 2017
Lemme also say that there may well not be any difference. The point about classifying by lines more, may just be that they've been nothing but alphabet soup with *so* many of their models. But of course, if the lines are gonna be meaningful, they have to exhibit consistency within them.
JTrubs
195
Sep 21, 2017
CraigLewisMuch obliged for your responses, thank you for the info. In regards to the possibility that there aren't any differences between the 0x and 6x series (dial aside), that wouldn't surprise me at all. With my limited knowledge of Seiko's products, I do know that they have a history of slightly altering the cosmetics of certain watches for different markets and leaving all other components mostly the same. Perhaps Massdrop will step in at some point and address the questions and confusion in these threads? Cheers!
Slimcea
49
Sep 20, 2017
Has anyone verified that this is the SRPB0x and not the SRPB6x? The 0x line has sapphire crystal and seems to have lug width of 20mm, but a proper confirmation from Massdrop would help.
Maltman
102
Sep 23, 2017
censtadHardlex is fine, but the description just says mineral. I still think the Presage line should have sapphire.
CraigLewis
260
Sep 20, 2017
WRONG MODEL. Compare the dial texts, that listing to what's shown here.
You probably can't find it on the Seiko web sites because the corporation's marketing is incredibly PATHETIC. I have several Seikos, but they put effort into making things CONFUSING. I've read some stuff that suggests they price by region...so, I think they're using model numbers to make the regional comparisons more of a pain. The different model numbers is known...the new Cocktail Time 3-hand releases are SARY models in Japan (seiko-watch.co.jp, also shopping Seiya) and SRPB4x in the US.
You probably can't find it on the Seiko web sites because the corporation's marketing is incredibly PATHETIC. I have several Seikos, but they put effort into making things CONFUSING. I've read some stuff that suggests they price by region...so, I think they're using model numbers to make the regional comparisons more of a pain. The different model numbers is known...the new Cocktail Time 3-hand releases are SARY models in Japan (seiko-watch.co.jp, also shopping Seiya) and SRPB4x in the US.
SkipPp
278
Sep 20, 2017
I really want the green one, but I need to stop buying inexpensive watches. It does not help that I keep buying fountain pens as well.
ludwigtheholyblade
197
Sep 21, 2017
HHKBs make use of Electro-Capacitative Switches, which Topre uses in their keyboards. There is plenty of documentation on how they work, as well as the placement of certain keys unique to HHKB, but the feel of Electro-Capacitative Switches is what makes it a winner to most people, as well as being the most subjective aspect to it. Pressing keys has a fair bit of weight to them, but the sensation makes it a joy to type on.
It pretty hard to describe as you can see, so I would recommend checking out the Mechanical Keyboards subreddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/) and see if there are places where you can try out the keyboard (even attending meetups) so you can understand what I'm talking about. Electro-Capacitative keyboards are pretty expensive as well, so it's prudent to see what you're getting into before you drop the cash for it. But for someone who types a lot for a day job (and writes on the side), it makes the long sessions quite bearable.
It pretty hard to describe as you can see, so I would recommend checking out the Mechanical Keyboards subreddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/) and see if there are places where you can try out the keyboard (even attending meetups) so you can understand what I'm talking about. Electro-Capacitative keyboards are pretty expensive as well, so it's prudent to see what you're getting into before you drop the cash for it. But for someone who types a lot for a day job (and writes on the side), it makes the long sessions quite bearable.
dholik8503
Sep 23, 2017
Dogs have owners, cats have staff. Hence my cat has more cabinet space than I do. Cheers!
dholik8503
Sep 20, 2017
Please everyone remember: no warranty, 30 day return window (as I understand the rules, correct me if I am wrong).
wangminze
67
Sep 20, 2017
I thought massdrop did not accept returns unless it's a defect. Is that what you are referring to?
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