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Turble
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Dec 29, 2013
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I have HD 555's and an aune t1. I am no audiophile by any means. Is this a worthwhile upgrade?
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TurbleIf you're not into accurate audio reproduction why would you want expensive hi end cans? Why wouldn't you settle for something more in the price range of the 555s? I'm not sure how the T1 will match with the 650 tho. The 650 is definitely an upgrade to the 555s
Dec 29, 2013
Turble
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DeleteI enjoy the difference my 555s make over my pc360s I use for gaming. Though my 555s are starting to get old and some times make a weird buzzing sound. I might just replace them with something like HD 558s.
Dec 29, 2013
Jim_
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DeleteAre these not very good deals because MD is having to cover the warrenty themselves or just higher markup, or did they just not get a great deal? Amazon has had them for $415 right now and has had them as low as $326 earlier this year. Even sennheiser sold them for $272 a while back so it seems odd the deal is so poor.
I am guessing the warenty is the issue but they had a great deal on the T1s which I got.
@Delete There are lots of reasons why people want expensive end cans who aren't into perfect audio reproduction. I am interested in the 650's despite having AKG 701s and the Beyer T1s both with are much more accurate. I have heard the 650s and they are really smooth and rich sounding and are FAR from accurate but the sound is very fun to listen to when you are in the mood for it. No one would buy tube amps if they were only interested in accurate reproduction. People what what they want and how they want it to sound. The 650s are fun and so are the T1s and the HD800s. If you only want accurate sound look at the latter too. But these are great fun cans and probably the least accurate headphones (from true highend manufactures i.e not skullcandy, beats, etc) in this price range.
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Dec 30, 2013
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Jim_I see them for $420 on amazon right now. I haven't seen them sub $400 at all. Also if it wasn't a good deal I don't see why 130 people would have joined the first drop and 80+ people joining this drop. The accurate audio reproduction comment was less about the 650s and more about him saying that he isn't an audiophile. As far as the 650s are concerned, maybe he can save some money and find a headphone that would appeal to his tastes more. Or maybe something that is similar to the 555, like the 558 or 598, both are between $160-200 cheaper than the 650. If you have money to spare, by all means get the 650s, I doubt he will be disappointed.
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Turble558, 598, 600, 650, I don't think you can go wrong with any of them. Get the 650 if you don't mind paying a premium. This deal is pretty good for these cans. 558/598 are half the cost plus some.
Dec 30, 2013
Jim_
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DeleteThey have been sub $400 for months at a time. Check an amazon price listing site. People buy poor deals all the time it doesn't make them a bargin.
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Jim_I haven't seen them sub 400 in a long time. Anyway, what's your point? What are you trying to get at? $360 is hardly a bad deal. Last time they were sub 400 was over two years ago. Keep waiting for that deal then, sure it will come around for you
Dec 30, 2013
Questhate
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Dec 30, 2013
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Jim_The last time the HD650 was sub $400 was at the end of 2011 before Sennheiser started to aggressively enforce MAP at the beginning of 2012. Ever since then the price has been at $499, dipping occasionally to ~$400.
Also, I'd say the K701 and T1 are NOT "far more accurate" than the HD650. The K701 is brighter and leaner than neutral, and the T1's have incredibly peaky and uneven frequency response (seriously, the DT880's objectively measure better than the T1's). While the HD650 is on the darker side of neutral and don't have Stax/HD800-like resolving ability, they commit fewer errors than almost any headphone out there. The HD600/HD650 are at the precipice of diminishing returns.
I've lived with flagships for years (HD800, LCD-2, ESP-950, most recently the LCD-X) and have decided to "move down" to an HD650 + Bottlehead Crack (or Schiit Vali) rig. I get just as much (if not more) enjoyment out of a HD600/650 + Crack rig than I do on a rig costing 5-10x as much.
Dec 30, 2013
Jim_
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DeleteI was asking why the price was so much higher than I would expect considering the discount on cans like the T1s. Beyerdynamic themselves had them 1 month ago on their site for $272 so to say they are enforcing the MSRP is silly. I was merry asking (as you can see from my original post) if the reason they were not a better deal is because MD must be taking into a fair portion to cover warranty issues and replacements/repair. I'm not bashing it I am just asking what MD position is because if the manufacture sells them for 30+ percent less a month ago and cover the warranty why wouldn't MD be able to get a better deal. As I said I'm guessing its because of the fact MD can't get official warrenty support and has to do it themselves. Everyone here gets so defensive because they love their products here when I'm just asking a question.
@questhate: "uneven frequency response" - hah!
Either way I said the 650s are more fun many times that other headphoens. Either way the best headphone is the one you like best, though I find it hard to believe anyone would have HD800s, and LCD2/X and downgrade to ONLY the HD650s as you have suggested. That is just silly as they are all very different headphones and to pretend that one will satisfy your needs when your looking at having many high end cans does not make sense but again the best headphones are the ones you like the best
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Dec 31, 2013
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Jim_"Why the price is higher than you expect"? I don't think massdrop cares what you expect prices to be. Beyerdynamic T1 are found for $1000 now not much of a discount either, MD had them for $850. Why would you think that we would know how massdrop finances their warantees, why don't you ask massdrop and not the costomers?
I don't think you know what your talking about., like you said above, you are only guessing. You sound silly and make zero sense.
Dec 31, 2013
jerseyboy
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Jim_IMHO $272 on hd650 was price mistake. Promo code for employee's only somehow leaked and was able to stack with consumer discount code. That's why they pulled the employee only code immediately.
Dec 31, 2013
Questhate
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Jim_I can assure you that no one is offended on this side of the keyboard. After all, we're just talking headphones. I was just addressing your questions, as several others have already had.
Regarding comments about the T1 -- I was simply offering a counterpoint to your assertion that they are "much more accurate" than the HD650. I owned the T1 as well a couple of years ago and they did not last long before they were sold. The performance was simply not in line with other flagships, much less many mid-fi phones. As with all in this hobby, IMHO, YMMV. But no one has to take my word for it, just looked at all of the measurements on sites like Innerfidelity and Changstar. Look at the frequency response, harmonic distortion, square wave response and CSD measurements, and then compare them to even "mid-fi" phones like the DT880 or HD6xx. Not to mention the notoriously bad QC. I hope you got a great deal on the T1's. Personally, I wouldn't pay $200 for them.
Dec 31, 2013
Jim_
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DeleteI am asking because others might have the same question and MD often responds to comments. The warranty and how that works and is being done at MD is specifically is something they have commented about many times in the comments section recently, especially on headphones. I have seen other comments about prices from MD in comments of other buys too so I thought MD might respond here. Thanks for being so very kind, please have a good day. Sorry to offended you and the other person who thumbed your comment up.
@jerseyboy You may have been right abut the 272 deal. I had heard about it and used it as a price reference. I did not know it went very quickly thank you for the info
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Jim_I'm hardly offended by anyone online but it's all good. I don't understand why you wouldn't read the TOS or send MD an email regarding anything they do business wise.
Dec 31, 2013
Sidley
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Jan 1, 2014
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QuesthateThis guy knows what he's talking about.
I agree with you with regards to the K701-- I had K702s. Very neutral, a bit lacking in bass (though the bass they had sounded beautiful). And they had absolutely BEAUTIFUL soundstage going for them. But the K701/2 wasn't very fun... "too" neutral IMO. Worked well for classical and jazz, and super great for acoustic/singer-songwriter, but was lackluster for rock and electronic.
Looking forward to going back to a set of Senn's (the brand that started my audiophile quest many years ago), and matching these 650s up with some tubes.
Jan 1, 2014
Jim_
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SidleyThe 701/702s really had lower bass than most people are used to. They really fixed it with the Q701s (dirt cheap on amazon) but I still go back to the 701s from time to time. The Qs are a much more fun headphone for almost anything but less detail. The 650s are the same way for me richer sound that is more fun for most things but not the best for things like Amber Rubarth or where you really want to hear it neutral. Again its all about way you like and I like all these headphones. :)
Jan 1, 2014
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