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Raine342
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Feb 8, 2018
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ThebigThe shipping part will be fine. Whether or not a customs agent seizes it is the question.
Omniseed
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Feb 9, 2018
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Raine342Pretty unlikely for such a conventional lockback, with all that pressure from the lock bar they don't really fit the profile of knives that see trouble at customs.
Raine342
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Feb 9, 2018
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OmniseedIt's not the locking mechanism they're concerned about, it's how it's opened. The classic Spyderco "Spidie-hole" is what the law is concerned about. Try reading it sometime.
Omniseed
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Feb 9, 2018
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Raine342I like your condescending tone, fella.
I'm well aware of the general thrust of Canadian knife laws and the recent policy shift by the CBSA that encouraged Canadian customs officials to be more creative with their tests of knives, to be more liberal with what they consider a gravity knife, to go further to induce action that could be considered centrifugal and not hand-driven.
If you care to read what I wrote, I was talking about what those recent developments mean for a lockback like the Delica. Lockbacks exert constant force on the blade tang while opening or closing, and as a result, are extremely unlikely to fail a test designed to separate out 'centrifugal' knives from slower, mostly two-hand opening knives. If you stop pushing with your thumb, the blade stops moving immediately whether it's locked open or not.
The lock type does matter, these tests are basically singling out knives that fit the current trend of smooth pivots and close to free-swinging actions. Frame and liner locking knives on bearings and Axis locking knives, compression locks, button locks, those are the kind of knives that these tests are designed to single out.
A lockback will never have a free-swinging pivot, no matter how the knife is opened.
I'm well aware of the general thrust of Canadian knife laws and the recent policy shift by the CBSA that encouraged Canadian customs officials to be more creative with their tests of knives, to be more liberal with what they consider a gravity knife, to go further to induce action that could be considered centrifugal and not hand-driven.
If you care to read what I wrote, I was talking about what those recent developments mean for a lockback like the Delica. Lockbacks exert constant force on the blade tang while opening or closing, and as a result, are extremely unlikely to fail a test designed to separate out 'centrifugal' knives from slower, mostly two-hand opening knives. If you stop pushing with your thumb, the blade stops moving immediately whether it's locked open or not.
The lock type does matter, these tests are basically singling out knives that fit the current trend of smooth pivots and close to free-swinging actions. Frame and liner locking knives on bearings and Axis locking knives, compression locks, button locks, those are the kind of knives that these tests are designed to single out.
A lockback will never have a free-swinging pivot, no matter how the knife is opened.
Raine342
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Feb 9, 2018
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OmniseedYou forgot the part of the new legislation where it mentions that the knife has "... a blade that opens by centrifugal force, when, with a simple and brisk outward flick of the wrist, the blade is released from the handle into the fully ejected and locked position", and "... it requires some preliminary or simultaneous minimal manipulation of either a flipper or other non-edged parts of the blade."
That includes flippers, thumb studs, thumb holes, and thumb disks. The locking mechanism, whether it be Axis, frame/liner lock, compression, or what have you, isn't what's being looked at, it's how the knife is opened. I've got a Spyderco Para Military (thumb hole and liner lock) that can be opened with and without a flick of the wrist, same with a Kershaw Skyline (flipper and liner lock), and an ESEE Avispa (thumb studs and frame lock). I've also got a Spyderco Caly 3.5 (thumb hole and compression lock) that can be opened either way.
The way the new knife laws read puts a lot of ambiguity into the whole situation, especially in the way that it conflicts with the old knife laws, which are still in effect. A lot of it is left to interpretation to the specific customs agent who gets the pleasure of checking that particular package. You should probably read up and get a better look on the whole deal.
EDIT: Forgot an "and".
That includes flippers, thumb studs, thumb holes, and thumb disks. The locking mechanism, whether it be Axis, frame/liner lock, compression, or what have you, isn't what's being looked at, it's how the knife is opened. I've got a Spyderco Para Military (thumb hole and liner lock) that can be opened with and without a flick of the wrist, same with a Kershaw Skyline (flipper and liner lock), and an ESEE Avispa (thumb studs and frame lock). I've also got a Spyderco Caly 3.5 (thumb hole and compression lock) that can be opened either way.
The way the new knife laws read puts a lot of ambiguity into the whole situation, especially in the way that it conflicts with the old knife laws, which are still in effect. A lot of it is left to interpretation to the specific customs agent who gets the pleasure of checking that particular package. You should probably read up and get a better look on the whole deal.
EDIT: Forgot an "and".
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