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rayce444
740
May 11, 2016
Consistent quality with these razors is dubious at best....MADE IN CHINA....you may get a razor that is "mild" and someone else may get a razor that is "aggressive".....you get what you pay for. Invest in a high quality STAINLESS STEEL" razor and you'll have it forever.
repete66219
106
May 13, 2016
rayce444Like the Weber? :-P
Solli
26
May 13, 2016
rayce444Not all stuff made in China are bad, there are some excellent stuff in China that are of superb quality but yes they are priced high as usual. Ikon razors shavecraft heads are aluminum also but are of very good quality and a tad bit expensive vs this razor
rayce444
740
May 13, 2016
repete66219No, like ATT, Feather or Ikon....these are all well made and dependable razors built to last a lifetime.
rayce444
740
May 13, 2016
Solli"American designed" but built in China can be well made. China is NOT known for advanced design features....how many babies died because they were infusing their baby milk with melamine? Or all the dogs that were poisoned ingesting tainted dog treats. You're rolling the dice. I'm not pulling these opinions out of thin air...I covered China when I was a Producer for a major news network and I SAW it with my own eyes. Far too many stories of poor quality and low prices all equals "no thanks."
beas
49
May 14, 2016
rayce444On top of those disquieting facts, if we blindly turn our supply system over to cheaper labour sources who will have the money to buy the product in a few years. I've always been prepared to pay more for north american built product. If we work "smart" we can compete.
rayce444
740
May 14, 2016
beasAgreed!!
repete66219
106
May 14, 2016
rayce444I only buy American made Ming vases. The Chinese knockoffs are just junk.
Solli
26
May 16, 2016
I agree but not expressed in those terms, anyways I do believe everybody has to eat, as long as there is work there will be earnings for everybody that wants to work no matter what country they are from.
beas
49
May 16, 2016
If all manufacturing is done in another country, and you don't want to become well enough educated to perform some task that can't be imported then where will the money come from to buy these goods. This world only needs so many baristas. Here in Canada there was a backlash with call centres, people would no longer tolerate rudeness, poor communication skills and most importantly job losses to a distant country.
Soli, you should care, you're not at the top of the techi food chain yet, you will need higher end support for the better toyz and it helps not to get it from an indifferent source. Base goods from afar are usually copies of an existing product and they are seldom as good as the original. Case in point microphones. Some enterprising engineers buy a german classic mike, reverse engineer it, pay for tooling, redesign components and set specs. Some enterprising soul takes the same design but uses substandard components, "close enuff tolerences" or the wrong component altogether. The outside looks the same and when you sing or speak into it it makes noise. You bought this in a special bin at a cheesie music store , flea bay or whatever, you have crap and no recourse or support.
Solli
26
May 16, 2016
beasbeas we are speaking of people that barely make ends meet and their houses are falling apart are the same people are making these razors. You don't think they deserve to eat and feed their families? I have no problem if this razor is produced and machined in the US, naturally the cost for this razor in the US would be well around $150. Sorry to inform you but there are all SS razors here that can be bought for that price. BTW no im not in the high class, im not in the medium class when it comes to how much I make, I more like on the low end that makes decent and the reason why I can spend and buy stuff sometimes is because I don't have 20-30 hobbies like other people have AKA shopping addiction because they are trying to fulfill the emptiness in their life. Usually this happens to lonely and selfish people who only think of their own good sake and as far as the rest of the world goes? they don't care if its falling apart. USA has beyond return more problems than just switching to making products in the US, if you didn't know the total wealth of the USA is around 18 trillion dollars and we are in debt close to 90 trillion dollars, when shit hits the fence buying Chinese safety razors and complaining about their quality is the last thing will be on your mind. Change your ways, the attitude me and only me wont do you any good long and short term.
beas
49
May 16, 2016
SolliSoli, I'm retired, I don't live in the US and I'm just trying to share my years on the earth and maybe help someone that wants to understand a bit more about some products. I enjoy my chosen hobbies and the associated toyz and I don't wish to debate issues of world economics. I will support the north american workers as much as I can because that's where I live and generally the razors that are made to sell for lower prices are poor copies of razors designed in the west. There are reasons some razors are made with zamack and plated heads and have plated brass or SS handles. Edwin Jagger and Muhle have co developed their head and both produce a very functional and well finished razor for comparatively low price. Merkur have the other popular head design and while well designed don't quite have the same level of finish. Parker have filled in the lower end gap with some pretty nice stuff for a very reasonable price. The main selling features here are a proven design and a well executed product. There are other manufacturers that have taken the manufacture to the next level using CNC machined SS. here again the designs are near flawless with first class functionality, balance and very pleasing esthetics. Rather than getting in an endless peeing contest about grade of stainless, the greater importance is in durability, esthetics and flawless function. The major price difference is due to equipment and labour costs not material cost.
At the bottom end we have the far east producing anything that is asked for in varying degrees of precision and potential longevity. The eastern factories produce copies of something that has been made before but the materials and methods vary widely. Most of the low end DE razors are copies of vintage Gillettes, Edwin Jagger or Merkur Heads. With many of these the heads don't align with the same precision and the blades are not held in the optimum position for a smooth shave. I'm 71 and In started DE shaving in 1961, I'm sure there a whole lot of older guyz who still DE shave but they won't rip their faces off to save a few bucks either.
Then we have the quality middle ground with several manufacturers using newer technology sintering, injection molding or casting SS , aluminum or other alloys. There is justification for paying more for a CNC Milled razor over a Sintered, forged, caste or injection molded razor head. MassDrop sell pretty much the gamut of the upper echelon. It's all good stuff but there is a difference between the various levels.
Be happy and enjoy what you can afford and be thankful that you can afford more than a low grade copy of a razor. They don't sell them here.
Solli
26
May 16, 2016
beasabsolutely I agree, you should be happy with what you got instead of being bitter because of something you can't afford. For example the old Gillette DE razors were far away from being CNC machined but I believe they were sintered because that's the common approach to produce brass razor. In all honesty they were and still are great razors. They are many razors that are not machined and not made in the US that are of good quality and decent materials, I for example enjoy the Fatip Grande and Gentile which are sintered brass, good quality and made in Italy at a decent price, I also enjoy the Pearl TTO SB and OC razors that are all brass sintered, good quality made in India at decent price. I do have to admit that my favorite razor is the Rockwell 6s that's made in the US and undeniably a piece of art that is not machined, actually I was so happy with the Rockwell that I joined their kickstarter of the Model-T TTO adjustable all brass razor. You might also find it funny but in case if you didn't knew there is a Chinese factory that makes the copy of the Merkur Futur that's about 98% identical in materials quality,shave quality, gives more color coating options at 3 times lower the price. I liked the replica so much that I ended up having one of each color from that razor which it made 5 razors in total for around 105 bucks. So I believe if a product is good it should be offered to the people no matter what country it has been made. Lots of artisan razor designers rather have their razors being made outside of the US, for example the One Blade is a very expensive razor a beautifully crafted and finished and guess what made in China by workers who take pride in their work. I love what Rockwell does, made in USA, not cheap but acceptable prices even for 3rd world countries, an awesome customer support, never let down its customers on kickstarter and came trough even when problems occured etc etc etc . In my eyes this is a company that says designed in US, produced in US and always have its customers back, that's a company I will always invest my money in their products.
beas
49
May 17, 2016
SolliSoli I disagree, the cheap knockoffs aren't "good stuff", you can't compare a $20 razor with a Fatip, Edwin Jagger , Merkur , Standard or Rockwell. Certainly not the higher end ones. These $20 razors sold by the various online vendors are pretty much from the same source. This isn't being fair to people looking for good information. Bring the fanboy approach down a notch. By the way, the Rockwell was designed by two students at Western University in London Ontario, Canada. It's a very utilitarian product, hardly a work of art. Look it up. Be fair to the people that read this information.
Solli
26
May 17, 2016
beasWork of art? sure there is a work of art, a Wolfman razor just got sold for over $500 on ebay, lets see how many will go and pay that much for a razor....
beas
49
May 17, 2016
SolliSolli, this is a forum for people that are exploring a new purchase and for many their first foray into wet shaving. MassDrop is also a way to get from basic to better for a few bucks more, not a soapbox.
So far as the high resale on fleabay, Wolfman Razors is a one machinist operation run out of a small town outside of Edmonton Alberta Canada. and his razors really are a piece of art. Everything he makes can be customized from finish to blade exposure. The man is a true craftsman and due to extremely high demand there is a ridiculous backlog. People always want what they can't have so prices skyrocket, kinda like scalping tickets for playoff games. If he ever decides to trust another machinist with his "baby" he may catch up. This man is putting craft ahead of profit. The razor heads are $175 Canadian and looking at the detail consume a fair bit of labour. Journeyman machinists time doesn't come cheap, as well there is the design and functionality to factor in. I've been a tradesman all of my life and I know that this is real value. If a person redirected their entertainment "allowance" they may be able to buy an instrument that would last a lifetime and even become an heirloom.
it-man
720
Jul 1, 2016
beasThank you for your thoughtful comments. Based on that, I shall be looking towards a wolf man. I have a feather which I paid heaps for and some merkurs. I prefer slant razors.