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Ken Onion Stratus Culinary Knives: Rain Collection

Ken Onion Stratus Culinary Knives: Rain Collection

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Really surprised at how awesome these are IRL. Sharpened they are beast mode and sturdy. Feel like they will last a very long time and the steel looks amazing. Slips right through beef and cuts tomato slices paper thin. Appreciated this drop very much. Also the G10 is LEGIT! Don't believe the FUD! :D But from what I read these knives were too costly to keep making at this price point so Ken Onion started his own factory to create a new line of knives called the SKY. So I am not sure if we will ever see this drop again.
We've repeatedly been in touch with the vendor and they've informed us that they are still awaiting a new batch of units to ship to our warehouse to complete the group's order. We will keep checking in until everything is en route to us and turned around to each of you.
We understand that the additional wait time is undesirable. If you would prefer to cancel your order, please contact Community Support using the “Contact Support” button in your transactions page (http://massdrop.com/transactions).
You can expect an update from us on 7/21 or sooner if something comes up.
If you have any questions, please visit our Help Center (http://massdrop.com/helpcenter).
The group's bulk order arrived earlier to our warehouse in New Jersey and many of the individual packages have already shipped back out. However, upon taking inventory of everything received, our team was made aware of a backorder affecting a small handful of units. Rest assured, we've reached back out to the vendor to resolve this hiccup and expect to have the remaining units in our warehouse shortly.
Expect another update from us on 7/15 or sooner if something comes up.
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Bulk order shipped! The vendor informed us that the group's order was picked up and is on its way to our warehouse in New Jersey. Based on the tracking provided, the order is scheduled to arrive on 7/7.
Expect another update from us on 7/11 or sooner if something comes up.
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Thanks again for joining this drop! We have submitted the group's order with the vendor for the Ken Onion Stratus Culinary Knives: Rain Collection and they are working hard to prepare it for shipment.
As soon as the group's order is ready at the vendor's location, they will send the bulk shipment to our warehouse in New Jersey where our warehouse team will break it up into individual orders and ship them. The current estimated ship date from our warehouse is 7/18.
We will keep the group updated throughout the fulfillment process. You can expect an update from us by the end of the day Pacific Time on 7/6.
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It would be nice if folks who have no vested interest in this drop would stfu.
Is the price for 1-knife?
Todd911
That price is for a single 4-inch Paring Knife (the smallest one in the picture). If you want one of the other knives, you have to pay extra.
Wow, that's a lot of heated discussion over some kitchen knives. I don't know what Ken Onion has said in whatever forum but I have a few Shun knives of his design. The material used for blade and handle are different and the Shuns were MUCH more expensive in comparison. But the designs of the knives are pretty similar with the same sort of handle profile and angles. The handle encourages a pincer grip but I haven't found conventional grip to be strange either. The upward angle is a mixed blessing. For me, I find it comfortable since my wrists are straight and my arm reaches down. For my wife, at 5'2'', her arms are parallel to the cutting surface and so she has to bend her wrist over. She loses a lot of leverage at that angle. The one thing I can't tell from the picture is how thin the blade is behind the edge and how well it slices. BD1N steel isn't something I've used before so there's no telling how thin you can reprofile or how long the edge will hold up.
dsmegst

I found a bunch of videos from that second link where she demos each knife.
dsmegst
I've used both. The shuns where higher HRC on the steel and either vg-10 (comparable to BDZ1) or SG1 (much better than BDZ1) depending on if they are normal or "elite" lines of the Onion-designed Shun series. The Shuns are also san-mai or laminate construction meaning that a thin layer over very hard steel is clad on both sides by softer protective steel (the 3 layers are forged together and will not separate). This allows the actually steel doing the cutting to be harder (last longer) without making that over-all blade too fragile/ brittle. More importantly it makes both sharpening and thinning behind the edge (as needed on any knife over time) MUCH easier. The Rains are mono steel (no cladding). That means if you've got A LOT over very difficult to grind metal to chew through if want to thin or sharpen them. This apparently is plus to folks that think that a home chef might wear a knife out in a couple years because they plan to attack them with a 3hp bench-grinder, coarse wheel, and determined ignorance.
The handle materials on the Shuns is their own version of "pakkawood" which is a wood that has been impregnated by resin under high heat /pressure in order to stabilize it. The Rain's G10 is a full synthetic material that's very popular in non-kitchen knives but not seen much in the kitchen. The Shun's are already proven to be very durable in the kitchen, but g10 is also a very tough material. The only possible issue that I could see is that any time you have a sandwich of handle-tang-handle material they will expand /contract at different rates and over time, gaps may form between tang and scale (especially when there are only 2 rivets on the handle and you think that knives should go in the dishwasher like Cpt. smallbit: blind defender of all things Onion). But as long as they arn't abused / exposed to dramatic temperature changes, they should be fine.
The big difference between the "Shunions" and the Onion Rains are that one line was made by Shun and the blades ground with proper full contour and thinness behind the edge and the others are made by Lamson&Goodnow who ground them very flat and as over-thick as some people's skulls behind the edge.
Both have the same "signature" clueless anti-ergonomics that most intelligent users will realize is mediocre for some and terrible for others.
Man these look like some cheap ass throwaway knives. Massdrop seems to be about getting people quality product at a group discount....why bother with cheap disposable knives like these? Doesn't seem to fit the mold of normal offerings.
reforminded
Not really. G10 is a very good material for a knife handle, probably the most durable and resistant to abuse out of all others out there. G10 can take many different textures and will last a long time. Also, Carpenter makes very high quality steel alloys for blades and they are generally far superior to the cheap blades found in truly disposable knives.
Shenanigans should go take his piss elsewhere, and learn to spell.
What comes with the base drop?
Are these forged or stamped?
Sverre
They're laser cut from sheet stock. It's better than stamping interns of the negative effects on the steel's grain structure (from the heat) but not as good, (but probably cheaper) than water-jet cutting. It also means that they require less labor / hand finishing. I'm guessing the goofy texture on the sides of the blades may also come from laser etching.
What exactly is included in this drop? Is it one knife, four knives, eleven knives, is there a knife block? I guess I'm just confused on this one. Thanks.
ChrisMc
One knife- select which one you want when you join the drop.
Vexs
Thanks.
Okay folks, got some good news for everyone: we've been able to work out even lower drop points for the whole group. This is the first kitchen cutlery that we've run in a long time and we want it to be a big success and a really exciting offer for the group. Rather than adjust all of these models individually by a few dollars, we've been able to make an across-the-board reduction of $10 on all models. Thanks to everyone who spotted lower prices and let us know so that we could make this happen!
I bought some of these when they first came out. I paid full price and have been very happy with them. I am a Ken Onion fan. The videos are cool. They are easy to sharpen and they hold an edge well. The pattern keeps food from sticking to them. These have a different label on them than the ones I bought. But, I did find a good deal here: http://www.cutleryandmore.com/ken-onion-rain-series
"High-carbon stainless steel" - what steel exactly? Hardness?
Ozzz
It's listed as "Bdz1". From my resarch it sounds like it's very similar to the more commonly known AUS-8 which is /was used for a long time by coldsteel and sog. It's a good, but not particularly high-tech or fancy steel. It's not going to be as hard and wear resistant as something like s30v, sg2, or even 154cm, but it should be easier to sharpen and more chip resistant. At best it will be comparable, but not better than the steel in a fibrox or entry-level German knife.
Really wish this drop was available for European customers too. The knifes both look amazing, very well made and cheap too!
If shipping to Germany isnt listed on the item, then it isnt possible?
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Hey @Vexs and @autumnblade -- There's a link in the description with a list of where we can and can't ship knives. Laws are not actually the main barrier, it's that our shipping partners won't carry fixed blade knives overseas. Most folders can be shipped to 11 countries outside the US.
They do, but not to all countries. I'm in a country that they ship knives to, but it appears this drop is restricted to the USA only.
Haha his name is Onion and he makes knives, wonder if he cries when chopping onions
Here's your typical drop where MD generally profit from overseas members whose main savings is on the shipping, compared to US members who'd rather pay a similar or slightly higher price and not have to wait another few weeks for the item to arrive. Except that this time that won't happen as the shipping of potentially dangerous kitchen WMDs to countries where they'd be perfectly legal to import still hasn't been sorted out.
My main problem is that the pattern would drive me nuts when washing them. Is that spot gunk, or the knife?
Are the Stratus Culinary Rain Collection knives any different than the Chef Work Rain Collection knives? Just a re-branding?
Are these full tang constructed handles???
Adamjudsoncollins
Looks like full tang or almost full. The knives have rivets, so the tang would extend at least to the rivets.
yeky83
Thank you yes this was my intuitive consideration as well, but thought to ask just based on no mention in description. Thank you kindly.
Has the courier companies now banned knives also 😐
Just want to know, how comes you can ship folding knifes to canada but no blades like this?
Massdrop, please give us a reasonably priced chef knife. preferably a 9.5" gyuto. anything like these: https://www.massdrop.com/vote/chef-knives?s=gyuto
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@LQDForce was wondering what your opinion was on these; in particular your opinion on the 2 Gyuto blades that are offered in this drop? Also, @Fuzz feel free to give your opinion as well. Since you did post a link to a Damascus Santoku which is also being sold in the drop link below (A Damascus Santoku). https://www.massdrop.com/buy/kanetsugu-saiun-damascus-kitchen-knives?utm_placement=1&referer=JVK5CQ&mode=guest_open&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Automated%20Daily%20Promotional%202016-06-22&utm_term=Daily%20Promotional
Pgomez
Those actually look very similar to the Tojiros, they use the same VG10 Core, and 33 fold damascus as opposed to the 37 folds Tojiro uses, but that is strictly cosmetic.
If you don't mind taking the time and have the appropriate whetstones to sharpen your own knives, those are also actually not bad, they have a steel bolster so they are comparable in price to the more expensive Tojiro damascus range.
I would definitely consider the Kanetsugus if I couldn't get Tojiros, but with equal availability, I'd go with Tojiros again. :D
These honestly look hideous and I seriously question their practicality in the kitchen.
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"wrong gif" says the elitist ken onion troll. HAHA :)
I'm a bit unsure if you are questioning the steel type of the victorinox or this drop. In case you were wondering about the victorinox it is generally accepted to be X50CrMoV15 steel. If you were talking about the type of steel for this drop then it was mentioned by a commenter before me and I'm sorry for wasting this comment. : P
MSRP is not 125 anywhere on the internet.
silasio
MSRP is provided to us by the manufacturer; we can't control what the rest of the Internet does - just our little corner of it. Again, links are helpful and you can post them here or email edc@massdrop.com and we'll check it out.
JonasHeineman
Again, on the Manufacturer's website they're charging half the MSRP.
Not much of a saving over Amazon...I'm starting to question the integrity of Massdrop
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Thanks, I will pass this along to our marketing team!
It's not uncommon for people to conflate MSRP with market/street/competitive price. We list the MSRP because that is a static figure determined by the manufacturer, but - as you know - competitve prices vary widely across other sites.
Your original statement was that the MSRP is incorrect; if you see that it's listed by the manufacturer (or consistently by other reputable sellers) as being lower, I will gladly review that and adjust as necessary. If your issue is that you feel MSRP is not a good benchmark against which to indicate the discount, I will pass that along to the product team, but it would be nearly impossible to use disparate and constantly-changing market prices as the value against which a percentage discount is listed.
As you an see in many, many discussions here on Massdrop, including this one, members often research market prices and share them here when they feel a drop price isn't low enough to be compelling or even competitive. Rather than scrub these comments, which are sometimes substantiated with accurate links and sometimes not, we leave them on the site so members can inform each other - and us - when we have missed the mark.
I appreciate your time and diligence and hope this helps to clarify. Your concerns are valid and I'm always happy to talk about pricing so we can keep offering the best prices on everything we list.
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